I wonder would you be able to shoot the arrow of acid from the spell acid arrow with a bow?
would you also be able to use it with the stabbing shot feat?
I guess you have to use acid arrow with quicken or myrmidarchs ranged spellstrike for it to work? Or can you hold onto the acid arrow until next turn?
An "arrow of acid" (that is a blob of acid shaped like an arrow) "springs forth from your hand" (directly out of your hand) "and speeds to its target" (immediately moving towards the intended victim).
So... no. If you tried, you'd melt the bow. Assuming you could stop the arrow from instantly streaking off to the target. Also assuming you can hold an arrow-shaped blob of acid and then fire it.
Stabbing shot can't work because you aren't making a full attack with your bow, you're casting a spell.
You can't hold onto the spell because it is not a melee touch spell, it is a ranged attack.
The spell allows you to shoot the acid from your hand. It does not create an actual arrow made of anything solid.
An "arrow of acid" (that is a blob of acid shaped like an arrow) "springs forth from your hand" (directly out of your hand) "and speeds to its target" (immediately moving towards the intended victim).
So... no. If you tried, you'd melt the bow. Assuming you could stop the arrow from instantly streaking off to the target. Also assuming you can hold an arrow-shaped blob of acid and then fire it.
Stabbing shot can't work because you aren't making a full attack with your bow, you're casting a spell.
You can't hold onto the spell because it is not a melee touch spell, it is a ranged attack.
The bow doesnt melt that easily it got a hardness 5 + 5 hp and objects take only half damage from energy types which means it wont even get through the hardness because it does only 2d4 acid damage. ref to "The arrow deals 2d4 points of acid damage with no splash damage." and
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/damaging-objectsyou can make a full-attack action with bow while casting spells if your using ranged spellstrike.
Acid arrow is a ranged touch attack ref to "You must succeed on a ranged touch attack to hit your target."
The spell allows you to shoot the acid from your hand. It does not create an actual arrow made of anything solid.
I am not sure about that since acid arrow says in its effect "one arrow of acid" is it then not possible to understand it as an actual arrow is being created?
It is an arrow made of acid, but it is not like wooden arrow, and since it springs out of your hand you can't really keep it anyway.
Anything allows you to keep it is GM Fiat.
It is an arrow made of acid, but it is not like wooden arrow, and since it springs out of your hand you can't really keep it anyway.
Anything allows you to keep it is GM Fiat.
So then lets say I miss then it got a 50% of being destroyed but if it isnt then would I be able to pick it up and shoot with it? assuming I have sufficient resistance or immunity to acid damage.
So then lets say I miss then it got a 50% of being destroyed but if it isnt then would I be able to pick it up and shoot with it? assuming I have sufficient resistance or immunity to acid damage.It is an arrow made of acid, but it is not like wooden arrow, and since it springs out of your hand you can't really keep it anyway.
Anything allows you to keep it is GM Fiat.
No, if the attack misses the spell is over. If it hits, it does its normal effect, then the spell is over.
It's not an arrow with some acid on it. It's not an arrow with acid damage enchanted onto it. It's an arrow completely made of acid, there is no 50% anything. Whatever it hits is going to have a splotch of acid burning it for the next few rounds.
If you want to do what you're trying to do, use Flame Arrow instead.
No, if the attack misses the spell is over. If it hits, it does its normal effect, then the spell is over.So then lets say I miss then it got a 50% of being destroyed but if it isnt then would I be able to pick it up and shoot with it? assuming I have sufficient resistance or immunity to acid damage.It is an arrow made of acid, but it is not like wooden arrow, and since it springs out of your hand you can't really keep it anyway.
Anything allows you to keep it is GM Fiat.
I guess it falls under spell failure if thats you mean.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-Spell-FailureIt may help avoid confusion to note that the arrow is already moving away from you at high speed at the instant that it is created. And that it's not considered ammunition - it's a spell effect. Don't read too much into the fact that it's named "acid arrow" rather than "acid spray." After all, I wouldn't try to hold shut a door with a lightning bolt, nor would I toss a fireball for my dog to retrieve.
Arrow is ammunition and it is a arrow made out of acid. It is being created by creation magic type.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic#TOC-ConjurationIt's not an arrow with some acid on it. It's not an arrow with acid damage enchanted onto it. It's an arrow completely made of acid, there is no 50% anything. Whatever it hits is going to have a splotch of acid burning it for the next few rounds.
If you want to do what you're trying to do, use Flame Arrow instead.
Not exactly true since assuming the reason it doesnt do splash damage means the arrow doesnt go splotch and is simple stuck and burning. Flame arrow is cool.
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Acid Arrow doesn't create an actual arrow any more than Lightning Bolt creates a crossbow bolt, or Magic Missile creates a cruise missile or a Sidewinder.
The title is just descriptive.
Acid Arrow doesn't create an actual arrow any more than Lightning Bolt creates a crossbow bolt, or Magic Missile creates a cruise missile or a Sidewinder.
The title is just descriptive.
Lightning bolt and Magic missile is pure energy because they are evocation spells so their names is mostly flavours but conjuration(creation) is different. With conjuration(creation) spells you actually create something and Im referring to this "...a creation spell manipulates matter to create an object or creature in the place the spellcaster designates...". In acid arrow spell effect description it states "one arrow of acid".
Now it just seems there is no way of actually shooting with it by a bow because you cant hold onto it and it automatically disappears if it fails to hit its target.
Fine. Go on being wrong if you like. I get paid the same either way ($0).It may help avoid confusion to note that the arrow is already moving away from you at high speed at the instant that it is created. And that it's not considered ammunition - it's a spell effect. Don't read too much into the fact that it's named "acid arrow" rather than "acid spray." After all, I wouldn't try to hold shut a door with a lightning bolt, nor would I toss a fireball for my dog to retrieve.Arrow is ammunition and it is a arrow made out of acid. It is being created by creation magic type.
I'm with you on this one.
Not exactly true since assuming the reason it doesnt do splash damage means the arrow doesnt go splotch and is simple stuck and burning. Flame arrow is cool.It's not an arrow with some acid on it. It's not an arrow with acid damage enchanted onto it. It's an arrow completely made of acid, there is no 50% anything. Whatever it hits is going to have a splotch of acid burning it for the next few rounds.
If you want to do what you're trying to do, use Flame Arrow instead.
Throw a block of room temperature Velveeta at a wall, then come back and tell us how much splash it made.
Acid Arrow doesn't create an actual arrow any more than Lightning Bolt creates a crossbow bolt, or Magic Missile creates a cruise missile or a Sidewinder.
The title is just descriptive.
Lightning bolt and Magic missile is pure energy because they are evocation spells so their names is mostly flavours but conjuration(creation) is different. With conjuration(creation) spells you actually create something and Im referring to this "...a creation spell manipulates matter to create an object or creature in the place the spellcaster designates...". In acid arrow spell effect description it states "one arrow of acid".
Now it just seemse there is no way of actually shooting with it by a bow because you cant hold onto it and it automatically disappears if it fails to hit its target.
The acid is arrow shaped so technically it is an arrow. That does not mean it works like wooden arrow. We all know acid is a liquid so barring some special language the "arrow" does not hold together meaning you fire it, and that is all you get to do with it.
Throw a block of room temperature Velveeta at a wall, then come back and tell us how much splash it made.
Not exactly true since assuming the reason it doesnt do splash damage means the arrow doesnt go splotch and is simple stuck and burning. Flame arrow is cool.It's not an arrow with some acid on it. It's not an arrow with acid damage enchanted onto it. It's an arrow completely made of acid, there is no 50% anything. Whatever it hits is going to have a splotch of acid burning it for the next few rounds.
If you want to do what you're trying to do, use Flame Arrow instead.
Its magic its pretty much up for interpretation what actually happens when it hit. It could even be solid acid for example the acid could have a high freezing point.
The rules don't say it is frozen, so it is to be treated like any other liquid. That liquid form is likely why it continues to do damage over time. If it were a solid arrow it would do piercing damage.
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Its magic its pretty much up for interpretation what actually happens when it hit. It could even be solid acid for example the acid could have a high freezing point.Throw a block of room temperature Velveeta at a wall, then come back and tell us how much splash it made.
Not exactly true since assuming the reason it doesnt do splash damage means the arrow doesnt go splotch and is simple stuck and burning. Flame arrow is cool.It's not an arrow with some acid on it. It's not an arrow with acid damage enchanted onto it. It's an arrow completely made of acid, there is no 50% anything. Whatever it hits is going to have a splotch of acid burning it for the next few rounds.
If you want to do what you're trying to do, use Flame Arrow instead.
I'm not really interested in beating my head against this wall of dumb any more, sorry.
Though I am not with Lodrak on this, can someone point out another Conjuration spell that that acts like the Acid Arrow (i.e. it's just a spell no physical object made)?
I tried doing a search for Just Conjuration spells (not the whole list and not picking through them just skimming) and I couldn't find one that met the criteria. It seems that Acid Arrow stands out as the on Conjuration spell that in my mind springs from your hand and hit or miss is a magic thing that disappears when the spell duration ends.
Since it is a Touch spell, no one has ever missed.
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An Acid Arrow created by the spell is no more of a mundane arrow that you could fire from a bow than a Lightning Bolt created by the spell is a mundane bolt that you could use in a crossbow. It's a spell effect, not ammunition.
In fact, even if you could fire an Acid Arrow spell effect from a Longbow, it would be much worse for you to do so.
Range long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Range: 100'
If you were to somehow fire an Acid Arrow (at equivalent maximum range for the spell) from a Longbow, at minimum CL (level 3), you would take a whopping -12 penalty to your shot. It's well into the 6th range increment of the Longbow.
Better to just point your finger and let it rip.
Though I am not with Lodrak on this, can someone point out another Conjuration spell that that acts like the Acid Arrow (i.e. it's just a spell no physical object made)?
I tried doing a search for Just Conjuration spells (not the whole list and not picking through them just skimming) and I couldn't find one that met the criteria. It seems that Acid Arrow stands out as the on Conjuration spell that in my mind springs from your hand and hit or miss is a magic thing that disappears when the spell duration ends.
Since it is a Touch spell, no one has ever missed.
How did you miss Acid Splash?
Edit: Aside from that, where does it say no object is made? Being a Conjuration spell, an object is made. In this case it's an arrow shaped blob of acid that splats on something when it hits.
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Throw a block of room temperature Velveeta at a wall, then come back and tell us how much splash it made.
Great.. now my wife is PISSED...
Though I am not with Lodrak on this, can someone point out another Conjuration spell that that acts like the Acid Arrow (i.e. it's just a spell no physical object made)?
I tried doing a search for Just Conjuration spells (not the whole list and not picking through them just skimming) and I couldn't find one that met the criteria. It seems that Acid Arrow stands out as the on Conjuration spell that in my mind springs from your hand and hit or miss is a magic thing that disappears when the spell duration ends.
Since it is a Touch spell, no one has ever missed.
Not in Pathfinder that I can think of. In 3.5 they had the orb spells that were made of energy.
Did you explain that "it was for Science!"?Throw a block of room temperature Velveeta at a wall, then come back and tell us how much splash it made.Great.. now my wife is PISSED...
Seriously! It was literally THE ONLY way to demonstrate that something can go *splat* without going *splash*.
I can think of something else, but you'd probably want to rent a monkey to fling it.
Though I am not with Lodrak on this, can someone point out another Conjuration spell that that acts like the Acid Arrow (i.e. it's just a spell no physical object made)?
I tried doing a search for Just Conjuration spells (not the whole list and not picking through them just skimming) and I couldn't find one that met the criteria. It seems that Acid Arrow stands out as the on Conjuration spell that in my mind springs from your hand and hit or miss is a magic thing that disappears when the spell duration ends.
Since it is a Touch spell, no one has ever missed.
Pellet blast specifically calls out an effect like this, but it does actual physical damage, not just energy damage.