There was a very interesting issue of Superman not long ago. His powers someone got randomly passed out to different regular humans on earth.
One guy had the Super strength but not the Invulnerability. Could bust through a wall but shattered his hand doing it.
Little kid got the invulnerability but not the superhuman senses. Couldn't feel anything, not even his mother hugging him.
Was actually pretty interesting seeing how all the bits fit together to make the total package.
It was a cool scene, sure - but if Barry can do that, how does he ever lose any fight? It is the inevitable problem with characters with super-speed - it should be an 'I win' button for almost any fight, but that isn't very interesting to see. So how fast the character can move changes wildly from one moment to the next.How fast can Barry go?
As fast as required for the drama of the moment.
You've hit a nail on the head, and it goes way back with this character and others with super speed (not to mention other powers).
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Barry can literally stroll around with everyone standing still like a statue to ponder his next move. As you say they are inconsistent, but Barry could watch a bullet coming out a gun in slow motion then walk over and squint to see where the bullet will land.
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Super speed is a game breaker, but writers tend to blind spot it so they can actually have a story.
Yep. It's like that scene with Quicksilver in Days of Future Past. He's not nearly as awesome as Flash and he has absolutely no problem with... anything.
We could also say (for the moment) that its the centipede dilemma. The Flash just doesn't have the finesse to use his ability to it's maximum potential. Some things he does far outstrip his current understanding but he just does them. If he thinks about it too much, he'd seize up and fails.
There was a very interesting issue of Superman not long ago. His powers someone got randomly passed out to different regular humans on earth.
One guy had the Super strength but not the Invulnerability. Could bust through a wall but shattered his hand doing it.
Little kid got the invulnerability but not the superhuman senses. Couldn't feel anything, not even his mother hugging him.
Was actually pretty interesting seeing how all the bits fit together to make the total package.
That's... pretty cool, actually. I like it.
Anyone else think that Wells is almost certainly Reverse Flash at this point?
I thought that was pretty clear from the start.
Statistically, it was most likely him from the start. However, I'm sill a little unsure what his true endgame is.
Well, Arrow doesn't require a whole ton of special effects. The occasional explosion and some laser pointers and you're good.
Most of Arrow's budget seems to go into fight choreography and hair.
I doubt it, it would be a little too clumsy, and there is always the fact that Thawne is supposed to be the Reverse Flash (although the one in this time should be Cobalt Blue instead) His name is obviously a play on the author of The Time Machine.
I suppose he could be, but what is the point of making it all mysterious if he's just Zoom?
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My initial Reverse Flash guess would be that Eddie learns that Iris has a crush on the Flash, and comes to the bone-headed conclusion that he can't compete with a dude with super-powers, and tries to get some for himself and / or eliminate the super-dude he thinks he's losing Iris to.
But that's pretty much the biggest cliche that ever clitched a schey, so perhaps not...
Anyone else think that Wells is almost certainly Reverse Flash at this point?
If he does turn out to be one of the Yellow-Clad Speedsters, if anything, he seems more like the Hunter Zolomon Zoom rather than Professor Zoom. The way he seems to be trying to groom Barry into being the best speedster he can be, hopefully free of his personal connections, is straight out of Geoff Johns' Flash run with Wally West.
Plus, the whole wheelchair thing.
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I think the new story has to do with Prof'zoom's powers being based off Barry's. Something about how the faster Barry goes, and the more he uses it... the more powerful the Prof gets... With the push to make barry faster and 'needing more speed...' that could tie in there.
Really, Wells seems a cross between the two Zooms. He's got the time travel 'uber-fan' that Prof Zoom has... and the wheelchair/drive to make Flash 'better' that Zolomon had...
Eddie?? I think he's a red herring. I think that he's going to be an ancestor of Wells... the 'weak link' to his own future that he'll have to protect.
What I'm NOT sure about yet... is if IRIS is his ancestor too ;)
My initial Reverse Flash guess would be that Eddie learns that Iris has a crush on the Flash, and comes to the bone-headed conclusion that he can't compete with a dude with super-powers, and tries to get some for himself and / or eliminate the super-dude he thinks he's losing Iris to.
But that's pretty much the biggest cliche that ever clitched a schey, so perhaps not...
Perhaps not? You do know this is a CW show, right?
Your cliche would be perfectly reasonable to them. I would not be surprised one tiny bit if something like that was done.
I've been wondering about the whole Eddie thing. If they're doing the whole Cobalt Blue/Malcolm Thawne thing and Eddie is -knowingly or unknowingly- Barry's twin brother, he might have been affected like Barry as well. He was, after all, in Central City when the 'incident' took place.
Hm: reading the Cobalt Blue stub in wiki....
Within the context of the stories, Malcolm Thawne is the twin brother of Barry Allen and an ancestor of Allen's archenemy Professor Eobard "Zoom" Thawne. At the time of their birth, the doctor delivering them had already accidentally killed the child of Charlene Thawne during delivery. To cover his mistake, the doctor gave one of the twins to the Thawnes as their own and told the Allens that their second son had been stillborn.[Flash 4]
Raised by the Thawnes as a con artist, Malcolm learns of his brother by accident as an adult. He learns the full story by confronting his "parents" and the doctor who delivered him, killing the latter in a rage. His grandmother, seeing true potential in his passion, teaches him the family secret of controlling the "blue flame". Eventually he crafts a blue gem to contain the flame. The creation is fueled by his rage and jealousy of his twin "stealing his life" and can siphon off the Flash's superspeed.[Flash 4]
His first confrontation with the Flash and Kid Flash results in the flame absorbing him.[Flash 5] Emerging years later, he shifts his focus onto his brother's "legacy" since Barry Allen had died to stop the Anti-Monitor while he was in the flame. His plan spans from the present to near the end of the 30th century, targeting the Flashes of various eras in between.
It seems that fits WELLS more than Eddie. So, is Wells Thawne/Blue, perhaps?
I had a weird thought after I posted that bit.
What if Eddie and Wells are the same person?
theory bits:
1: So, Eddie has the same background (twin of Barry, given to rich family when Dr's actions result in death of Thawne child).
2: Eddie was also affected by the particle accelerator explosion, but not to the extent Barry was due to no lightning.
3: Iris does wind up with Barry (as per the comics), due to actions by Reverse Flash/Zoom/Cobalt Blue.
4: Eddie stays friends, and in 2024 some sort of crisis occurs and Flash/Barry vanishes. Eddie decides to try to save him, and aware of Mr. Yellow Suit and the time travel abilities available through the Speed Force goes back in time to try to find a way to save Barry.
5: He meets Mrs Wells/Tess Morgan and takes the name Harrison Wells; begins to build the particle accelerator.
Now if I could just figure out how Reverse Flash fits....
aaaannnndddd.....Firestorm?
Anyone feeling sorry for those muggers?
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Why would I ever feel sorry for a mugger?
Getting horribly burned/disfigured/killed will teach them not to rob people.
Why would I ever feel sorry for a mugger?
Getting horribly burned/disfigured/killed will teach them not to rob people.
I really didn't think anyone was...I keep forgetting how poorly sarcasm comes across in this media.
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"Man, that's not freaking you out?!?"
Diggle had some really good scenes and lines (and non-lines!). :-)
Best episode of the series so far.
Crossovers are always fantastic. Tarzan at the Earth's Core, Jetsons meet the Flintstones, Scooby-Doo and Batman Too...and I feel it's been awhile since we had an actual co-existing television universe on TV. Buffy and Angel, sort of? All in the Family and the Jeffersons?
The episode had one of the lamer villains from Flash's Rogue Gallery, but Rainbow Raider actually has a pretty solid history of being a 'team up' villain for the Flash. Other than his first appearance, Barry Allen tended to have help with the Rainbow Raider, first from Batman and second from Green Lantern.
The real magic was watching Oliver best Barry though, via tactics and outthinking him, setting up the field to favor him.
We are seeing where Thawne starts to oppose the Flash though. I'm still hoping he doesn't become the Reverse Flash (and that it isn't Wells either), but the seeds are growing now. Getting a superpowered beating in front of your girlfriend has got to do terrible things to a man's ego.
From the preview of the next episode it's quite clear that Wells isn't Reverse Flash, unless there are two Reverse Flash/lightning fast characters, as Wells is seen opposite RF and snatched out of his wheel chair by him.
Unless of course Reverse Flash is a time traveler.
** spoiler omitted **
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Cool news regarding another first series Flash alumnus (mild spoilers for an upcoming episode):
Sounds like what Geoff Johns did with the Trickster during his run, which is kind of cool. Hopefully it will be more than just a one-off appearance, as the original Trickster was in the comics.
Great episode.
Yay, Ronnie...or whomever is running the body right now.
So, did they answer all the questions tonight, or are they still messing with us.
@Spiral: I'm 99% sure that his power is the opposite of Barry's, as he said.
Meaning he makes everyone else SLOWER (ala time manipulation), rather than making himself FASTER.
Hence why he was able to be ambushed by Barry.
Granted I know exactly zero about what Reverse Flash can do in the comics, so I may be talking out of my ass.
My guess:
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It was....interesting.
And, yeah, it looks like they are doing a sort of combo between Eobard Thawne/Professor Zoom and Hunter Zoloman/Zoom, with a key point being temporal energy-based powers via the tachyon emitter. That would make him more similar to Zoom.
Professor Zoom, on the other hand, had super speed powers much like Barry's. Eventually the retconned it a bit to say his powers came from the Negative Speed Force, whereas the Flash's came from the Speed Force.
Because of that, Thawne needed Barry to exist, because Barry helped generate the speed force and without it there could be no negative force.
There's also some speculation that either Wells could be just working with whomever wears the suit, or that there's more than one Reverse Flash
Also, did anyone notice when Caitlin and Cisco confronted Ronny down in those service tunnels, he whispered his name was Firestorm? Or is my hearing going crazy?
You're not going crazy.
Or, at least, not because of this. =)
judging by the number of spoiler messages I guess I need to go watch the last episode.
I was really excited when I saw Amanda Pays name appeared in the credits. She's aged fairly well.
Musings and theories:
Now, Wells is setting everything up to create Reverse Flash (the suit and now the Tachyon device) and he might even become him in the future, before it's handed off to Eobard. Hence also why he didn't harm Eddie when he confronted him.
He might have been given the future reading device by Eobard to ensure that the time stream wouldn't be interrupted.
Also:
Promo for episode 10 - "Revenge of the Rogues" (spoilers if you haven't seen the winter finale episode).
Episode 10. I like. A lot.
Who the heck is that in the final stinger?
My guess ** spoiler omitted **
Snart does have a sister
Snart does have a sisterEpisode 10. I like. A lot.
Who the heck is that in the final stinger?
My guess ** spoiler omitted **
Yep, in act, it's been confirmed that it's Golden Glider. Peyton List is playing her.
So, this week's episode with the Pied Piper. Great episode, or greatest episode?
I felt kind of sorry for him Shadowborn. To Wells: "I know your secret!" i.e. that he knew the particle accelerator could explode...but he still doesn't realize that Wells intended the thing to explode, in order to create Flash (and the others, of course). That may also mean that Cisco and Caitlyn WILL become versions of Vibe & Killer Frost, as he seems to have hired folks (like Hartley and Ronnie) who would be affected by the accelerator.
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Wells is a master manipulator, so it's hard not to feel sorry for anyone that falls under his influence. Whether he intended for anyone other than Barry to be affected remains to be seen, though Hartley wasn't so much affected as afflicted, since he was injured and had the implants to help.
I was impressed by how they managed to work in sexual tension between West and Hartley without any direct dialogue.
I just realized something: one reason why Wells chose Cisko & Cait...the 'selfie'. He now has a picture of unmasked Flash with himeself, Cisco & Cait. If, as is heavily implied, he's from the future, then he finds it again and learns who Flash is and who will be working with him.