I share your pain.
After just one episode, it's 100x better than the morose Arrow.
OK, so, after that ending...who the <redacted> is Dr. Harrison Wells?
Best guess at the moment is that Wells is an amalgam of two different Reverse Flash characters from the comics.
One was Eobard Thawne/Professor Zoom, a criminal time-traveler from the 25th Century who recreated the lightning/chemical accident to give himself speed powers. He's the one that killed Barry's mother and framed his Barry's father for the crime. He also tried going back in time to prevent Barry from gaining powers in the first place, but that backfired and denied him speed powers as well, convincing him that Barry must become the Flash in order for Professor Zoom to later exist.
The other was Hunter Zoloman/Zoom, a man injured by Gorilla Grodd and confined to a wheelchair. He asked the Flash (now Wally West) to go back in time and prevent the attack that crippled him. Flash refused. Zoloman decided that the Flash would be a better hero if he had experienced personal tragedy himself, so he killed Wally's wife Iris.
1. I see the CW is continuing with its fine tradition of having at least one female character (in this case Iris) be a complete idiot, annoying, useless in almost every way, and an actual detriment to the quality of the show. She hurts the show in every scene she's in.
2. I also see that the CW continues to like to have emotion and irrationality rule their arguments/disagreements, instead of of normal rational behavior:
The CW (wrong) way: "You're not my dad! You're not the boss of me!"
The rational (right) way: "You know, I think it's probably a good idea if I really do save a little 9 year old girl from horribly dying in flames. Do you actually disagree with that?"
1. I see the CW is continuing with its fine tradition of having at least one female character (in this case Iris) be a complete idiot, annoying, useless in almost every way, and an actual detriment to the quality of the show. She hurts the show in every scene she's in.
2. I also see that the CW continues to like to have emotion and irrationality rule their arguments/disagreements, instead of of normal rational behavior:
The CW (wrong) way: "You're not my dad! You're not the boss of me!"
The rational (right) way: "You know, I think it's probably a good idea if I really do save a little 9 year old girl from horribly dying in flames. Do you actually disagree with that?"
Obviously you don't understand people.
People aren't rational.
Obviously you don't understand people.
People aren't rational.
Meh. Nice try. I understand people well enough. "Obviously" you don't know what you're talking about.
Other shows (and - wait for it - real life) does it better. Your statement isn't an excuse, and apologist remarks don't get very far with me (you're probably better off simply not responding to my posts).
I'm sorry you don't know any rational people. How sad for you.
(But, yeah - I get that not everyone is rational. However, the CW does not get a pass here, because they are victims of their own history: Almost everyone is irrational almost all of the time in almost all of their shows. It got tiring 5+ years ago. I know why they do it, but it's still bad. They can't really be defended.)
TL;DR another terrible article from io9.
I think the show is good so far, and has the potential to be great. I hope it gets there.
As for episode 3...it was far from subtle, and had a few cheesy moments, but I enjoyed it.
well initial numbers are rolling in and things sound pretty good. after counting unique viewings on DVRs Flash nets something like 13 million viewers.
apparently CW's best show ever
8th is the big one. 4th is the small one featuring just Felicity.
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Yes, we're going to establish a super villain prison here, in the spot where a super-intelligent gorilla once escaped. Nothing could possibly go wrong in this scenario to create a massive season finale cliffhanger. Nothing at all. Nope. Nothing to see here. Move along, now.
Just read who's going to be playing Mick - the guy Captain Cold talked to at the end of the episode - aka
That's some wink wink nudge nudge casting. ;-)
Also, the title of that latest episode, Going Rogue, along with one of the former villains, points to who we're going to see further down the road.
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Harrison Wells
H.G.Wells
how the hell did I not catch that sooner
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To be fair, Star Labs wasn't being used as a super villain prison when Grodd escaped. In addition, he didn't become super intelligent until the accident, and presumably was a regular gorilla prior to then.
I'm not saying the characters in the show should foresee this, but any comic book fan watching the show that doesn't, isn't paying attention.
I am just loving how they are slowly building up to Grodd.
From the graffiti, to the broken cage, to tonight's episode. You can just feel Grodd's presence building
Thanks to this week's episode I realized I'd made an omission on my prior post.
A super-intelligent telepathic gorilla.
I am just loving how they are slowly building up to Grodd.
From the graffiti, to the broken cage, to tonight's episode. You can just feel Grodd's presence building
Actually, I have a theory about Grodd. I think he's going to be the reason for the Flash vs Arrow episode.
There were complaints? He's just doing what he does in the comics.
So if we get a Legion of Doom, do you think it will emerge in the shared CW TV universe, or on the big screen?
Oh if we do get that, it probably won't be for a while.
And I agree, who in their right mind would complain about the Flash running on water or up a building?
And I agree, who in their right mind would complain about the Flash running on water or up a building?
The Flash absolutely should be doing those things, but it did bug me that both times he waited to ask Cisco "how fast would I have to run in order to...?"
It's not like he wears a wrist speedometer; he doesn't know how fast he's going unless someone clocks him. Dude, just run as fast as you can and hope for the best.
Pretty sure he knows at least the general speed he's going, otherwise he'd have a ton of other problems (like how much force to apply when stopping to avoid flying head over heels).
I think a mental speedometer is enough of a required secondary power for the Flash that we can assume he has it.
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he may not have a speedometer... but if the 'answer' was like mach 7 or some speed he'd never been clocked before... he may know he needs to work a plan B.
I see it as a 'is it even possible... CAN I do this?!?' kind of question, rather then a Back to the Future 'hit 88mph excatly' kind of thing.
And I agree, who in their right mind would complain about the Flash running on water or up a building?The Flash absolutely should be doing those things, but it did bug me that both times he waited to ask Cisco "how fast would I have to run in order to...?"
It's not like he wears a wrist speedometer; he doesn't know how fast he's going unless someone clocks him. Dude, just run as fast as you can and hope for the best.
He's been running an an amped up treadmill for who knows how long. They've been recording his speed. If he knows how running at 300 MPH feels, and he's told he needs to run 600 MPH, then he can think 'Okay, I need to run twice that fast.'
His suit has a radio transceiver or wi-fi or something built in it, as well as all kinds of instrumentation they use to check his vitals; who's to say it doesn't have a speedometer, too?
Come to think of it, they've been clocking his speeds with the suit, too (IIRC). He probably already knows approximately what sorts of effort he needs to get to the speeds he runs; he may just be checking with them so that he can know to what degree he needs to push, how much room he needs for acceleration, etc.
His suit has a radio transceiver or wi-fi or something built in it, as well as all kinds of instrumentation they use to check his vitals; who's to say it doesn't have a speedometer, too?
Perhaps it does, but there's never been any indication that Barry has direct access to any of the data collected by the suit. It's transmitted back to the rest of the team who read it on monitors. The suit doesn't have a heads-up display. I kind of doubt it has internal audio he can activate to give him a private "...515mph...637mph...716mpg...823mph..." he could react to in real (accelerated) time, which is more or less what he'd need in order to make any real use out of "How fast to I have to go in order to...?"
Yes, they have definitely been clocking and recording his speeds, whether by using an onboard speedometer or by rapidly refreshing his GPS location and calculating the speed from that. But do you think the average track star can run "twice as fast" with any precision on the first try just by deciding to pump his legs harder? I'm not talking about a normal human runner deciding to increase his speed from 27.44mph (highest on record, and that's Usain Bolt on a 100-meter sprint) to 54.88mph, I'm talking about someone who has always trained at a running speed of 12mph suddenly being asked to sprint at a speed of not less than 24mph. That speed may well be achievable for that runner, but how can he reliably hit 24mph rather than 22, 23 or 23.7mph without trial and error? He can't.
Similarly, I don't see Barry being able to hit/exceed the speed needed to run up a building, and the different speed needed to run on water, and the different speed needed to punch Girder given a running start of 5.3 miles, all on his first try. I'd like to have seen 5 seconds of film -- or even 5 seconds of expository dialogue -- where he tries crossing water in an outdoor training/test session and doesn't have the speed quite right; tries to run up a wall and falls back onto a pile of air mattresses. Anything to show he's building up to things, rather than being dropped into a dramatic situation where he not only has to exceed past performance, but do so by a fairly precise margin, and on the first try, or face disaster.
Speed force can feed that calculations into his mind, giving him perfect speed sense.
Huh. Well, since no one knows how the Speed Force works, I can't argue with that. :)
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This episode disappointed me in a lot of ways.
1) Barry absolutely, positively should not have revealed his identity to the metal guy in the lockup. What was going through his head? And what was going through everyone else's head not to say "Barry you idiot! What are you doing?" Instead it was attaboy.
They must think their jail cells are unescapable. Me I look at them and smell "Prison Break." Right now the Mist and this guy are down there.
2) Okay, you generate enough kinetic energy, blah blah. I get it. But what kept him from breaking his hand even worse than before when he hit the guy?
Real science never has been the strongpoint of this character, because regardless of whether anyone can to metal hitting anything with a punch going at at super speed ... well you are going to break your hand a lot, because it has lots of ... kinetic energy.
He did break his hand. And arm and ribs IIRC.
He just hit him at the right angle to avoid the catastophic "Every bone in your body shatters" problem.
Speed Force. He has as much speed as he needs to have to overcome the immediate obstacle, and no more.
*Waves hand vigorously*
Super speed is more interesting than super strength, though.
Super strength just means you lift things good and punch hard, for the most part.
It's easy to get creative with speed.