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Not sure if it was covered soo...
Will the numbers for settlement votes be shown or only where the settlements ended up?
If I had a choice I would say no, IMO
Here's the most relevant quote I could find:
May I ask why you don't want to do a straight up draft? Where people pick one at a time?We want to induce people to back the project by purchasing Early Enrollment. If we have a single all-up draft, there will not be a continuous drive to keep recruiting more members.
This is why you get a bonus for ending up in the same spot week after week. You have the ability to hold against some other group who edges you in members but you also know that if you overwhelm your target with numbers you can take the spot that you want. We need to give people a feedback loop to see what others are doing, then react, then see the results of those reactions to trigger that behavior.
My personal feeling is that having some idea of how many new folks you would need to recruit is a crucial part of that feedback loop, but I've been wrong before :)
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I have another question to add to this topic, will only the top 30 be shown, or all that sign up as a "settlement spot contender"?
If they all show up, similar to the first list, then that could entice people to "recruit" the smaller numbered groups, especially if they are, say, number 31....
Also, how will ties be broken? Such as spots 28-32 all have 10 members (hypothetical numbers) Who gets spots 28, 29, and 30? I understand the entrenchment bonus, but week 1 lets say, where everyone is "even".
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I'm wondering about knowing other settlement's numbers encouraging one person to buy 10 accounts to challenge a specific location. If people know exact numbers, then they know how many more accounts they need to purchase.
I'm all for people spending their money how they see fit. I know that it will help Goblin Works financially, but will it help the game in the long run?
Even if someone gives away those 'free' accounts to friends, how dedicated would those people be to playing the game? This could be detrimental to the settlement and the player base. Those whom join with what appears to be a bigger community, ends up being a ghost town. This might make those that want to play the game feel like there's not as much interest from other players and not log in as much. Since this game is sandbox and players are content, I could see a domino effect occurring and that gives me some concern.
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They would have to buy the 100 dollar package if they want to join the landrush, so that would run pretty steep if they bought 10.
I think one disadvantage of showing numbers could be a snowball effect. Landrushers with a lot of votes just get more because they occupy a good spot on the list/on the map. And people buy into that security by just joining the big contenders.
This will only be the case for landrushers who make applying for a settlement easy off course, like those who have an "apply for settlement, no strings attached" option. :) Which I think will happen once the thousands of Pioneer+ backers are being called in for the landrush.
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I'm wondering about knowing other settlement's numbers encouraging one person to buy 10 accounts to challenge a specific location.
I think Ryan's been pretty clear that people shouldn't do this.
When we first started talking about Phase 2 of the Land Rush, I thought Ryan might actually be pleased if we did something like this, but after reading the Restrictions for Winners of Phase 1 of the Guild Land Rush, especially this bit...
If it feels like what you're doing goes against the spirit of the promotion - getting new people interested and excited about Pathfinder Online - we suggest that you opt out of taking part in Phase II.
... it became obvious to me that I was wrong for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
Getting back to the topic of showing how many votes each Settlement has, I think there's real value in it. Imagine two friendly Settlements each vying for their own spot in the Land Rush. If they don't know how many votes they need to secure their favorite spot, they're more likely to keep plugging away even if it's truly hopeless for them. Knowing it's hopeless would allow them to join forces to try to secure one Settlement together. I think that would be a good thing.
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I'm wondering about knowing other settlement's numbers encouraging one person to buy 10 accounts to challenge a specific location.I think Ryan's been pretty clear that people shouldn't do this.
When we first started talking about Phase 2 of the Land Rush, I thought Ryan might actually be pleased if we did something like this, but after reading the Restrictions for Winners of Phase 1 of the Guild Land Rush, especially this bit...
If it feels like what you're doing goes against the spirit of the promotion - getting new people interested and excited about Pathfinder Online - we suggest that you opt out of taking part in Phase II.... it became obvious to me that I was wrong for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
Getting back to the topic of showing how many votes each Settlement has, I think there's real value in it. Imagine two friendly Settlements each vying for their own spot in the Land Rush. If they don't know how many votes they need to secure their favorite spot, they're more likely to keep plugging away even if it's truly hopeless for them. Knowing it's hopeless would allow them to join forces to try to secure one Settlement together. I think that would be a good thing.
You bring up some good and valid points. :)
Guess we'll have to wait until we see how this all plays out and we get more information.
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They have stated that guilds will be able to "steal votes". So yes, you will be able to change your vote from week to week.
This is why Guilds, Companies and Gaming communities should put up an "apply for settlement" button for those free agents that do not want to commit to them as a Guild or Company member(just yet), but are looking for a place to call home when EE starts. You can always reel in these folks later, when things get rolling and people are playing together.
It seems Goblinworks expects people to "settlement-hop" in the landrush, indicating that, for now, choice for a settlement/alignment/location will trump commitment to a Guild, for at least a substantial number of people who will come here in the next months.
After all, most people who start playing any new MMO are often not in a Guild yet, that often comes later, same here. Those that already are in a Guild are off course the ones that are already organized and will be the ones pulling the strings and organizing the landrush, so it will be up to them to open up the gates for those Free Agents. :)
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I want to see the land rush votes, for the simple matter that it appears I was the only one of our company to actually vote in the original land rush. Pretty shocking to expect six votes for the Marsh Wardens and only seeing one in there instead! :-)
It is also a good way to judge how "active" another company you are thinking of becoming allies with are. If you can see how many of their folks actually voted instead of taking a person's word that they have 30 active people signed up for their company already and then you only see 4 votes for the group during the first week of the new land rush, you will know something's not kosher.
I know our company captain is in contact with a couple of other smaller companies and we are thinking of becoming some kind of federated company[Battalion would be a better word for a number of companies joined together?] group for the purpose of the land rush. Seeing how many votes each one of those groups, and our own - to be fair, gets in the first week will really help someone decide what to do.
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They have stated that guilds will be able to "steal votes". So yes, you will be able to change your vote from week to week.This is why Guilds, Companies and Gaming communities should put up an "apply for settlement" button for those free agents that do not want to commit to them as a Guild or Company member(just yet), but are looking for a place to call home when EE starts. You can always reel in these folks later, when things get rolling and people are playing together.
You've been pretty enthusiastic about the "apply to settle" button you found another group using but Prophecy has been doing that since we launched our settlement. We even have a separate site unrelated to the sponsoring Company since we'd like to see multiple Companies be a part of it as well as individuals.
Visit the Free Town of Prophecy
I'd love to see more discussions around the settlements themselves since they will be the focus of the Landrush.
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Oh snap, throwing the #shade!
Seriously though, glad to see a similar viewpoint across the alignment spectrum about how we need to focus on the settlement first.
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Not sure if it was covered soo...
Will the numbers for settlement votes be shown or only where the settlements ended up?
If I had a choice I would say no, IMO
Probably not, but it may not matter. The existing poll wasn't supposed to be used, because it is too easy to make puppet accounts to get extra votes. I would say someone admitted it privately, but the term 'admitted' implies that there was some recognition of wrongdoing, and the tone was more of a brag. GW should have waited until they could confirm that there was one vote per pledge, even if they couldn't verify that there was one vote per user.
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Oh snap, throwing the #shade!
lol, that was awesome.
Seriously though, glad to see a similar viewpoint across the alignment spectrum about how we need to focus on the settlement first.
This should be a common thing, not just what a few are doing.
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If players were locked into their first election then what would those do whose guild wasn't making an entry?
Only the players that were locked into a vote for one of the top three companies (TEO/PAX/TSV respectively) are barred from voting in Landrush 2.0, everyone else (mostly) is set to vote on whoever catches their eye on any given week. Votes are tallied each Sunday.
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Out of curiosity, how was the decision maker for the first land rush determined?
Was it one person from each company that emailed their desired location to GW?
Was it the person that started the company that won the land rush?
Why wasn't there a poll of all of the voters of each of the three winners of land rush?
Why wasn't each voter informed ahead of time that there vote could be changed before the final day?
I'm certainly hoping the land rush 2 is handled in a much more organized way.
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We contacted the people who notified us about the name to be put onto the leaderboard. In some cases we notified more than one person if we got that request from multiple people. We did a sanity check to see if the people we were talking to were likely the right people to be talking to, and the names passed the sanity test. Seems legit.
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We contacted the people who notified us about the name to be put onto the leaderboard. In some cases we notified more than one person if we got that request from multiple people. We did a sanity check to see if the people we were talking to were likely the right people to be talking to, and the names passed the sanity test. Seems legit.
Glad to hear that, waiting for the second land rush and will add my name to list to be informed.
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They have stated that guilds will be able to "steal votes". So yes, you will be able to change your vote from week to week.This is why Guilds, Companies and Gaming communities should put up an "apply for settlement" button for those free agents that do not want to commit to them as a Guild or Company member(just yet), but are looking for a place to call home when EE starts. You can always reel in these folks later, when things get rolling and people are playing together.You've been pretty enthusiastic about the "apply to settle" button you found another group using but Prophecy has been doing that since we launched our settlement. We even have a separate site unrelated to the sponsoring Company since we'd like to see multiple Companies be a part of it as well as individuals.
Visit the Free Town of Prophecy
I'd love to see more discussions around the settlements themselves since they will be the focus of the Landrush.
Didn't know that, Ravenlute, definately a good move on your part. Sorry that I did not include you in the kudos. :D
I know I am repeating myself on the subject of the button, but obviously I am one of those who would use it and I think many more are to come in the next weeks, who simply want in on the vote and secure a settlement, easy peasy. As you and FMS are clearly anticipating on. I have been checking out your website and thread and if I were to be Chaotic, I would have pushed the button already. I love the idea of recruiting a Company who owns an Inn.
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Thanks Tyncale. For plans like ours I think we're not expecting much response until we're actually able to recruit in-game but it doesn't hurt to let the public know that we're here. Because of the game mechanics we may have lower numbers playing Chaotic at first. Folks will want to test the waters and see what they are capable of doing and that's easiest behind the walls of a Lawful outfit. As they get more accustomed to how the game works I think more people will lean towards the Chaotic side for the freedom it offers in play style.
For the adventurous sort who like to jump in all the way, we're here for ya. Come check us out!
Props to the other groups who are giving more focus to the settlements, this is what I too would like to see as the Landrush event comes up.