I've thought about this too bbt - specifically when is a metal club not a mace...
I don't see the problem with a mwk Club or mithral or adamantine, or a club with iron bands of special materials. This is all hometable and not "official".
I have a TWF baton/club spinning melee Investigator or Slayer concept that rides on this... Being able to throw them Daredevil style would be nice.
Also, my CRB doesn't have a description of a sickle. I think there was another weapon description missing I was interested in reading...
So, you are squeezing the cheese out of the club?
A free tree branch used to bludgeon stuff. So simple it does not need an entry in the core rulebook. So simple that...
A metal club is a mace or a morning star. Fancy bits embedded in a club might grant Piercing, but really what are you going for here?
You are trying to do what now with one of the simplest, most obvious weapons in the game?
IT'S A CLUB!
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Does this mean ducks have a 1d6 damage bite attack? Or that ducks deal 1d6 damage when used as a weapon?
I think that this is DM territory, but should be possible. The shape might be a bit different, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it will still deal 1d6 damage and have a x2 critical :P .
It would be an improvised duck. One would have to yell "Aflack!!" for every attack. When someone says that the wielder owes them one, the must reply "Just put it on my bill" and present the duck. They also have to duck questions and call all doctors "Quacks."
But seriously, I heard of a game where my friend got changed into a chicken, and the group was really in a bad way. He won the battle using a bane peck to defeat the monster.
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So, you are squeezing the cheese out of the club?
A free tree branch used to bludgeon stuff. So simple it does not need an entry in the core rulebook. So simple that...
A metal club is a mace or a morning star. Fancy bits embedded in a club might grant Piercing, but really what are you going for here?
You are trying to do what now with one of the simplest, most obvious weapons in the game?
IT'S A CLUB!
That is a fallacious assumption.
It's hurtful.
Obviously, I will still have to pay all the associated costs with Special Materials.
The Mace and Morningstar even deal more damage, so this insane "cheese"(a term I despise) idea is preposterous.
Besides dropping a deuce of flamebait, for no reason, in the silliest of situations to do so, do you have anything to add?
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There's this:
This rare magic wood is as hard as normal wood but very light. Any wooden or mostly wooden item (such as a bow or spear) made from darkwood is considered a masterwork item and weighs only half as much as a normal wooden item of that type. Items not normally made of wood or only partially of wood (such as a battleaxe or a mace) either cannot be made from darkwood or do not gain any special benefit from being made of darkwood.
I assume the same would apply with a completely- or mostly-wooden object being made out of a metallic special material. In PFS, that's how I'd rule it in the absence of something better.
The crowbar text is interesting as well. Note that that's got the caveat of being an improvised weapon. I would guess between the club and the crowbar as weapons, they're kind of borderline between simple/improvised weapons.
People shouldn't be saying "just get a mace!" - that's not what he's asking/after.
I've a good mind to join a club and beat someone over the head with it.
Forget it. Let's go clubbing. I know this metal club downtown.
Indeed.
I am asking what different kinds of pencils I can have, and the response is "What the hell!? Get a damn pen!!".
You can have a mechanical pencil, but you wield it as if it was a pen.
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Okay, of the listed materials, what can a Club be made of?
1) Adamantine?
2) Alchemical Silver?
3) Cold Iron?
4) Darkwood?
5) Elysian Bronze?
6) Fire-Forged Steel?
7) Frost-Forged Steel?
8) Greenwood?
9) Horacalcum?
10) Inubrix?
11) Living Steel?
12) Mithral?
13) Nexavaran Steel?
14) Noqual?
15) Siccatite?
16) Silversheen?
17) Viridium?
18) Whipwood?
19) Wyroot?
20) Bone?
21) Bronze?
22) Gold?
23) Obsidian?
24) Stone?
In all seriousness, going by the description
This weapon is usually just a shaped piece of wood, sometimes with a few nails or studs embedded in it.
Since it doesn't actually say a club must be wood--in fact, it goes out of its way to say "usually" instead of just "a shaped piece of wood", I don't see any reason that it couldn't be some other material subject to GM discretion. I'd allow anything listed in BBT's list o' materials above. It'd mean that a "normal" steel club would weigh the same as a "normal" wood club and do the same base damage, but, eh, realism is overrated.
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If I had a longsword, said I wanted it to be made out of wood for character flavour, and then tried to make it a darkwood longsword to get the benefits of darkwood, it'd be shut down.
You've started to re-flavour the club as a metal weapon with club stats, but then mechanically changed it by adding a special material into the equation that you normally wouldn't be able to do with a regular wooden item.
It's a messy idea, maybe see what JJ has to say, or clarify it as a more general question to get an FAQ.
Does this mean ducks have a 1d6 damage bite attack? Or that ducks deal 1d6 damage when used as a weapon?
I think that this is DM territory, but should be possible. The shape might be a bit different, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it will still deal 1d6 damage and have a x2 critical :P .
Yea this has always bugged me. Ever since I read the wizard of earthsea series as a kid I have wanted a wizard with a cool metal staff like the BBEG in the 3rd book.
What??? I responded to the wrong post I was referring to metal quarter staffs not being allowed because staffs are made of wood.
I've always thought that a baseball bat would count as a club. You can certainly have a metal bat, but you can't use it in MLB. I guess you can also have a metal club, but I'm not sure if you can use it in PFS. I wonder if a Monk of the Empty Hand could throw baseballs instead of shuriken, but that's obviously outside the scope of the current discussion.
@BigDaddyJug - I think Clubber Lang would use solid gold clubs marked A and B which leave "BA" marks on his victims.
@BBT - On Colonel Mustard's advice, I'd stick with the Lead Pipe.