Druid Feats PFS rules


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Scarab Sages

I am making my first druid. I would like to take natural spell at first level and wild speak at third level. Both feats state that you have to have the wild shape class ability. I get to change at fourth level. I had one judge to tell me that I could take the feats and just not use them until fourth level. I had another judge tell me that I could not take the feats until after I could change shape. Which judge is right?


You must have the wild shape ability before you can take the feat, just like any other feat where you must meet the requirements before you can take it.


From a technical standpoint (which is the basis of PFS), you cannot take natural spell until you have the wildshape ability, which is level 4 for a base druid and level 6 for the archetypes.

Also, from a technical standpoint, you cannot "save" feats. You have to take them when you gain the appropriate level. Hence, if you are a base druid (which I highly recommend), you'll take Natural Spell at level 5.

If you want to use a feat that you'll eventually get around to using, select Heavy Armor Proficiency and eventually get the Dragon Scale Full Plate armor with the +wild enhancement. It will set you back a lot of coin, but it's really the best armor you're going to get.

If you have future questions on druids or wildshape, send me a PM anytime.

Grand Lodge

Retraining?


You can retrain an old feat, but at level 3 you can't say "I wont choose a feat, I'll save it for level 4 when I get the wildshape ability, then choose Natural Spell". That wont fly. At level 3, you have to pick a feat. If you choose to go back and retrain, that's another option.

Grand Lodge

Well, there is level 5.

Scarab Sages

You mentioned Dragon Scale Full Plate, but don't you need a cert to get access to dragon scale armor?

Grand Lodge

There is always Stoneplate.

Scarab Sages

My original plan was to get breast plate made out of dark wood have iron wood cast on it and have it made permanent. I know it would cost a lot of gold , but it would give ac +6 with ACP 0. If I calculated it correctly.


No Sleep Bill wrote:
I am making my first druid. I would like to take natural spell at first level and wild speak at third level. Both feats state that you have to have the wild shape class ability. I get to change at fourth level. I had one judge to tell me that I could take the feats and just not use them until fourth level. I had another judge tell me that I could not take the feats until after I could change shape. Which judge is right?

The second one, and that first judge is disturbingly bad at the rules. You need to meet the prerequisites before you can even take the feats. For class abilities specifically, you don't have a class ability before you're high enough level to have received the ability.

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No Sleep Bill wrote:
I am making my first druid. I would like to take natural spell at first level and wild speak at third level

You don't qualify until you have the Wild Shape ability.

For some of the Shaman Druids this is delayed from 4th to 6th level.

No Sleep Bill wrote:
My original plan was to get breast plate made out of dark wood have iron wood cast on it and have it made permanent.

You can't cast permanency in PFS and the Iron Wood spell would expire at the end of every module.

Sczarni

No Sleep Bill wrote:
My original plan was to get breast plate made out of dark wood have iron wood cast on it and have it made permanent. I know it would cost a lot of gold , but it would give ac +6 with ACP 0. If I calculated it correctly.

Breastplates are normally made of metal. You cannot make one out of Darkwood (cool idea, though!).

You can purchase Dragonhide armors in PFS, but they are not "always available". You must have enough Fame to purchase them.

But there is one loophole for low level Druids. Once per session you may spend two of your Prestige Points to get any one item that is PFS legal and valued at 750gp or less for FREE.

And Dragonhide Breastplates just happen to cost 700gp.

Hopefully that will help you out a bit.

Sczarni

No Sleep Bill wrote:
I am making my first druid. I would like to take natural spell at first level and wild speak at third level. Both feats state that you have to have the wild shape class ability. I get to change at fourth level. I had one judge to tell me that I could take the feats and just not use them until fourth level. I had another judge tell me that I could not take the feats until after I could change shape. Which judge is right?

You do have to meet the pre-requisites to take a feat.

However, you could take something else that's helpful, and when you hit the proper level, retrain those feats to what you wanted previously. When you retrain, you can put almost anything in that slot as long as you aren't messing with any dependencies, and you still meet the current prerequisites.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/more-character-options/retrai ning


So... also Wild Speech requires 6th level druid, so that one is out until 6. Natural spell takes 4th level druid (or wild shape at 6 if you are an animal shaman).

So, at 4th you can spend 5 PP and 200g, replace either your 1st or 3rd level ones, and another 5PP and 300g at 6th, to replace either the one you didn't already do or your 5th level feat.

Scarab Sages

TGMaxMaxer,

That retraining would suit my plans. Where is that rule found?


Not sure if you have taken it, but if you need a feat for your druid, you should check out Augment Summoning. Its practically a pre-req for druids.

Grand Lodge

Retraining rules are found in Ultimate Campaign and some of the FAQ apply.

Augment summoning works very well for druids but no all druids will use summons making it a great feat for some builds.

I like playing melee druids so usually don't have the feat for it but I do like aug summoning with some of the animal shaman builds esp. at 5th level when you can summon as a standard.

Scarab Sages

My plan is to maximize the shape change abilities and work in tandem with my lion companion.


Best way to work with your lion companion:
1) Make sure your lion takes the attack trick TWICE, so it will attack unnatural creatures. See if you can also get the flanking trick. Not sure if that's PFS legal however. It's not listed in PRD, so probably not.

2) Remind your GM not to skip your companion. Happens all the time. If you can't think of what your companion should do, say your companion is holding its action. Don't just pass. Often times GMs just assume you both go at the same time to keep the game moving faster, as you'll be doing a lot of rolling. Up to you how much of a stink you want to make of it.

3) I assume you'll be a Dire Tiger form from level 6+ to talk to your companion. You'll need to print out the 2-page flow-chart on grappling, as you'll be doing a lot of it. Get to know those rules.

3) Take Improved Natural Attack on your claws, because at level 8 you'll access the RAKE ability, allowing you to charge and get a Bite attack and 4 claw attacks. Tell the other players not to get in the way of your charge attacks. Very, very frustrating when that happens. Improved Initiative helps in this regard, or walking up front, or both.

4) Strength, strength, and more strength. Just keep wisdom up enough to allow you to cast the appropriate level spells as needed. 90% of your spells are buff spells. Only cast stuff that has decent duration.


You have to own Animal Archives for any pet/companion class, it's almost mandatory to have access to the tricks, the animal archetypes (for your companion, almost like classes for the animal), and the extra body slots.


Improved natural attack is not selectable by druids in PFS (bestiary feats are not legal unless another source specifically allows it, such as the ranger natural attack style)

Wild armor cant really be afforded until the last 1/3 of your characters life in PFS. If you choose to go that route you can delay taking the feat until you can reasonably afford the armor if there is something else you would want now.

I would think hard about spending the 5 prestige to retrain one feat to have it one level earlier, let alone two. 5 prestige is essentially an entire levels worth, more than what the developers consider average gains per level or what you would earn if you played a module. Consider the gold equivalent of the prestige spending 2 for an item worth 750 or banking them for an eventual raise or restoration. If you choose to spend the prestige I would recommend keeping plenty of unspent gold, or ingratiating yourself with your fellow players in case they need to contribute towards a raise.


Honestly, I wouldn't spend 5PP on a feat retrain either, but he asked how to legally do it so it works for PFS, and that's the only way to get those feats any earlier.

It's not worth it, but it is an option.

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