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this is better for rules imo, BUT, I am pretty sure you are correct, you would roll the improved vital strike (x2) 8d8, then the feat would kick in allowing you to roll an additional 8d8. because the feat is modifying the dice rolled, while the vital strike feat is adding to the dice rolled. At least I think. the other way is ofc the 8d8+4d8 way.
While using Janni Style, you are always considered to have a running start when jumping. Further, if you jump and make an unarmed strike against the designated opponent, a hit allows you to roll the unarmed strike’s damage dice twice and add the results together before adding modifiers (such as from Strength) or extra dice (such as precision-based damage or dice from weapon abilities). The extra damage dice are not multiplied on a successful critical hit.
Janni Rush doubles his US damage dice.
Then Vital Strike adds the extra.
Base damage for a large size monk is 4d8.
I believe you would get 4d8 (base) + 12d8 (IVS) + 4d8 (Janni Rush)
I do not think either Janni Rush or Vital Strike chain impacts the other.
Improved Vital Strike (Combat)
You can make a single attack that deals a large amount of damage.
Prerequisites: Vital Strike, base attack bonus +11.
Benefit: When you use the attack action, you can make one attack at your highest base attack bonus that deals additional damage. Roll the weapon's damage dice for the attack three times and add the results together before adding bonuses from Strength, weapon special abilities (such as flaming), precision based damage, and other damage bonuses. These extra weapon damage dice are not multiplied on a critical hit, but are added to the total.
Janni Rush (Combat)
When you leap to the attack, your blows are like bolts from on high.
Prerequisites: Improved Unarmed Strike, Janni Style, Janni Tempest, Acrobatics 8 ranks, Perform (dance) 8 ranks.
Benefit: While using Janni Style, you are always considered to have a running start when jumping. Further, if you jump as part of a charge and make an unarmed strike against the designated opponent, a hit allows you to roll the unarmed strike's damage dice twice and add the results together before adding modifiers (such as from Strength) or extra dice (such as precision-based damage or dice from weapon abilities). The extra damage dice are not multiplied on a successful critical hit.
Based on these parts I just don't think they're intended to interact with one another.
Still, 20d8 is pretty good.
They won't work together because you can't Vital Strike at the end of a charge.
Thats a very good point that I'm ashamed to have missed. Vital strike is its own standard action. Which couldn't be combined with a charge.
They won't work together because you can't Vital Strike at the end of a charge.Thats a very good point that I'm ashamed to have missed. Vital strike is its own standard action. Which couldn't be combined with a charge.
Objection!
When you are in a surprise round, you can charge on a standard action.
Thats correct. Sure you can charge as a standard action on a surprise round. But vital strike still requires it's very own standard action.
If you had two standard action in a surprise round (not possible as far as I am aware) one could be used to charge and one could be used to vital strike. But Vital Strike is it's own standard action.
Votal strike being its own standard action is what makes most people complain about it and not select it as a feat because it can't be combined with anything else really.
They won't work together because you can't Vital Strike at the end of a charge.
However, you don't need to charge to do Janni Rush, merely jump and then make an Unarmed Strike.
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One note the text on the pfsrd document doesn't include the charge line making it more confusing. Looking at the paizo site lists it as above and is the official site. Since no errata or FAQ has changed the feat make sure you are using the correct one.
Mainly some confusion on combining these two may have come from the incorrect feat on the pfsrd.
Hmm,
Monk 10/ Druid 10 with Monk's belt and Monastic Legacy does 12d8 as a huge sized creature with Strong Jaw.
With the Janni feat line, you would do 24d8 if you hit after you jump. Improved vital strike that (no way you're getting the BaB for Greater vital strike) is another 24d8 (based on the base monk damage of 12d8).
So 48d8 + change damage on a move + hit. Not too shabby, averaging 208 damage on a hit.
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One note the text on the pfsrd document doesn't include the charge line making it more confusing. Looking at the paizo site lists it as above and is the official site. Since no errata or FAQ has changed the feat make sure you are using the correct one.
Mainly some confusion on combining these two may have come from the incorrect feat on the pfsrd.
Hm, so it does. I hate using the PRD because of its layout, so I almost never check that one.
Well, I was checking the SRD when I made that remark. The PRD text is different (and presumably correct).
No worries, I know what vital strike is and how it works.
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