Has anyone done the blessed quest about finding the Blood Stones of Arazni and trying to bend her back to the light? Since she plays such a huge roll in the ancient history and premise of my ongoing mega campaign, back when she was listed as a demi goddess in her own right, in the Shining Crusade. The pc's of my campaign which is essentially the Shining Crusade part 2, want to try to "rescue her" find a way to bring her back to life and encourage her to take the test of the Starstone...I'm not exactly sure what I'd have her return as a deity of as of the moment but....
Has any one taken on this quest? We've all decided to keep on with our plan to battle Tar-Baphon eventually, though we aren't using Mythic rules for it...just curious =}
It's going to be a wild and crazy campaign I think
You'd probably need to look at possibly involving some degree of Mythic eventually, since Arazni herself is a CR 26 character with 8 Marshal tiers, dual pathed into Archmage (she has a statblock in Mythic Realms; so does Tar-Baphon, with his 10 mythic ranks). Additionally, Arazni retains Divine Source in her undead state, meaning that she's still a demigod (she has the domains of Evil, Protection and Nobility (subdomains of Leadership and Defense). Or quasi-god/hero-deity, depending on how you quantify that sort of thing. It's not said if anybody still prays to her or how large her following is.
Using the Bloodstones to save her is also listed as a set of potential mythic trials for characters who wish to redeem her.
Other than that, well, I don't think a resurrection is possible at this point without either some sort of mythic trial or GM hand-wavium. Mostly because even True Resurrection can't bring back a creature that's been dead for more than 10 years/CL, and Arazni died in 3823 AR. That means in order to resurrect her in 4607 AR, you would need a CL of 79. Which limits your options to a Miracle or Wish, both of which would be a Greater Request and circle back around to GM fiat.
All of this assumes that lich-Arazni has been destroyed first, mind you. Which is problematic in and of itself, since that means her phylactery needs to be eliminated.
I think it'd be pretty cool to redeem Arazni and bring her with you to fight Tar-Baphon.
Payback time!
One wonders if even an un-redeemed Arazni wouldn't pitch in to kick Tar-Baphon's ass on general principle. I mean, he did still murder/humiliate her.
Alleran wrote: I don't think a resurrection is possible at this point without either some sort of mythic trial or GM hand-wavium. Mostly because even True Resurrection can't bring back a creature that's been dead for more than 10 years/CL, and Arazni died in 3823 AR. That means in order to resurrect her in 4607 AR, you would need a CL of 79. Which limits your options to a Miracle or Wish, both of which would be a Greater Request and circle back around to GM fiat. Or time travel back to the 39th Century.
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I think Arazni would redeem herself only in the case Tar-Baphon is released from Gallowspire, and with redemption I mean vengeance.
"Whisptering Tyrant, meet the Harlot Queen of Geb!"
I've been reading through the Mythic stuff and it's given me some decent ideas and food for thought. I was mistaken in thinking that you had to start characters out as mythic. Adding it now is still possible and even fits with the heroic cycle theme of the The Shining Crusade part 2 campaign series. I like the redemption angle for Arazni and think it would be fitting and ok...I admit...kick ass =D Pay Back Time!!!
Half of the pc's are Iomedae worshipers and righting such a huge injustice would seriously work for them. I think that if she was redeemed she could come to some terms with Iomedae stepping in to take her place once she had been killed. I'll come up with an appropriate portfolio of areas of concern for her IF we succeed in the redemption, bringing her back to life (perhaps the pc's could do a major series of quests for Iomedae and she'll grant them the method of bringing Arazni back to the living) AND she still wants to attempt the Starstone....she still has the Divine Source, so I'll have to consider that.
You might not need to bring her back to life to redeem her in some way. Rather, she could possibly stay dead and a lich, but not necessarily evil. Unlikely, but I don't necessarily think it's impossible.
Chris Mortika wrote: Alleran wrote: I don't think a resurrection is possible at this point without either some sort of mythic trial or GM hand-wavium. Mostly because even True Resurrection can't bring back a creature that's been dead for more than 10 years/CL, and Arazni died in 3823 AR. That means in order to resurrect her in 4607 AR, you would need a CL of 79. Which limits your options to a Miracle or Wish, both of which would be a Greater Request and circle back around to GM fiat. Or time travel back to the 39th Century. Requires the Sceptre of Ages (I can't think of any other ways off the top of my head). As an artifact, that's still in the GM's hands, so a GM could just save themselves the trouble and let a Miracle work.
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There's also the slight issue that Arazni is surrounded by some of the most powerful evil undead creatures on Golarion, not to mention Geb himself. I doubt the Ghost King would be happy to see her go and get involved in some fool's errand overseas. Geb isn't statted out, but if she's Mythic Rank 8, he's got to be at least 9 or 10.
Major_Blackhart wrote: You might not need to bring her back to life to redeem her in some way. Rather, she could possibly stay dead and a lich, but not necessarily evil. Unlikely, but I don't necessarily think it's impossible. Alternately, she could remain undead, be redeemed, be restored to demigodhood, and turn into something else entirely.
Arazni the Gray Queen? Arazni the Spectral Saint? Arazni, Her Divine Revenance?
(along with the expected Iomedaeans, PCs might find some very interested allies among the faithful of Ashava)
Branding Opportunity wrote: There's also the slight issue that Arazni is surrounded by some of the most powerful evil undead creatures on Golarion, not to mention Geb himself. I doubt the Ghost King would be happy to see her go and get involved in some fool's errand overseas. Geb isn't statted out, but if she's Mythic Rank 8, he's got to be at least 9 or 10. IIRC, James Jacobs has mentioned that Nex and Geb were only a little way behind Sorshen, Xanderghul and Tar-Baphon, and we know Jatembe was (or is... fate unknown and all that!) more solidly below those three. If Arazni has 8 mythic tiers, Nex and Geb probably had 9 (since Tar-Baphon has 10 ranks).
It's a very narrow gap, though.
Espagnoll wrote: I think Arazni would redeem herself only in the case Tar-Baphon is released from Gallowspire, and with redemption I mean vengeance.
"Whisptering Tyrant, meet the Harlot Queen of Geb!"
I would be opposed to any plot twist involving fighting Tar-Baphon that doesn't have the PC's doing it.
I wanted to let all of you that I appreciate all of the thoughts and ideas, it's given me a lot to think about. And keeping in mind the RAW is always a good idea. I would like to do as little "..and make it so"'s as a GM as possible and leave a lot of it to creative game play. The players are going to be the main fools...I mean heroes going against the WT. But Arazni as a redeemed being would add a lot of meaning to the theme of the campaign.
LOT of options to consider tho'
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