R.I.P.Philosophy


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Science: attempting, through experimentation and observation, to discover and understand objective truths about the universe around us.

Philosophy: attempting, through a combination of personal opinion and an overwhelming ego driven need to "understand" the human condition better than others, to claim your subjective observations, which, in many instances are blind to what real people experience, are objective "truths".

Science: trying to be the smartest guy in the room for real.

Philosophy: trying to convince everyone you're the smartest guy in the room.

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The most important phrase a philosophy major needs to know: "Would you like room for cream?".


houstonderek wrote:
The most important phrase a philosophy major needs to know: "Would you like room for cream?".

All of the Arts suffer from this problem. One is much less likely to be employed in their feild of study than those who study the Sciences. This doesn't mean that philosophy is "dead." And it definitely doesn't mean that Genesis Cosmology killed it.

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No, it means I am going to get my barista telling me how their masters in progressive basket weaving was an amazing experience, but turn around and b*%~@ about not being able to pay for their student loans and eat at the same time.

Really not the thing I need when looking for a caffeine fix.

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That speaks more of the person than the education. I personally know 2 people in dead end crappy jobs with advanced Science degrees. I also know several people with Arts degrees who do well for themselves. BA in Philosophy is a pretty good starting point for pursuing an MBA or a JD, just as examples.


I met this hawt chick at a wedding once, Ursi. She had just gotten back from a two-year fellowship or whatever in the Netherlands studying Hegel. We argued vociferously about the French Revolution. Alas, she had an Italian boytoy gigolo who really who knew how to dance in tow and she liked to dance, so our flirtation didn't go any further than that.

Last I heard, she was living in the woods in a trailer with her guns and her cats in Pennsylvania somewhere finishing her dissertation.

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A BA in anything will help with an MBA.

The people with Arts degrees, are they in their field? Ditto the science guys.

I know tons of people with all kinds of degrees, and, with very few exceptions, if they're successful and hold a fine arts or most liberal arts degrees, they are doing something completely unrelated to the four or five years and well over $100k they blew on a degree. Most of the people I know with degrees in science/medical/computers/etc, are in their field and doing what they actually trained to do.

But, again, I live in an industrial city, so people with hard science degrees will do better than liberal arts majors here.

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Traditionally a BA on English was standard for business people until the Business Admin bachelors degree was invented.


houstonderek wrote:

A BA in anything will help with an MBA.

The people with Arts degrees, are they in their field? Ditto the science guys.

I know tons of people with all kinds of degrees, and, with very few exceptions, if they're successful and hold a fine arts or most liberal arts degrees, they are doing something completely unrelated to the four or five years and well over $100k they blew on a degree. Most of the people I know with degrees in science/medical/computers/etc, are in their field and doing what they actually trained to do.

But, again, I live in an industrial city, so people with hard science degrees will do better than liberal arts majors here.

Well, one of the guys has a BS EE and he strips and solders wires for $10/hr. I would say that counts as being in his field.

On the other hand, another buddy of mine has a Master's in Chemical Engineering and he owns a liquor store. Decidedly not in the same field (maybe if he was a distiller, but he just retails) but significantly better off than my friend the solder monkey.

As for my friends with Arts degrees, the one who has a 2 BA's (English and Philosophy) does business to business sales for a major oil and gas company. He says all the time that the both the philosophy and English studies help him frequently. Rhetoric is a long studied discipline of both Philosophers and Linguists, and sales is nothing if not practical rhetoric.

My lawyer's undergrad degree was a BA Philosophy. Practicing and studying law is definitely within the field of philosophy.

Then, of course, there are the actual Professors I know, who mostly have degree's in the Arts and practice in their fields. They all do pretty well for themselves between salary and book deals.


houstonderek wrote:

A BA in anything will help with an MBA.

The people with Arts degrees, are they in their field? Ditto the science guys.

I know tons of people with all kinds of degrees, and, with very few exceptions, if they're successful and hold a fine arts or most liberal arts degrees, they are doing something completely unrelated to the four or five years and well over $100k they blew on a degree. Most of the people I know with degrees in science/medical/computers/etc, are in their field and doing what they actually trained to do.

But, again, I live in an industrial city, so people with hard science degrees will do better than liberal arts majors here.

Yes, I have a degree in Anthropology. Would you like fries with that? My brother majored in pre-law. He's the Ops Manager at a small and quite exclusive investment firm.

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