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Is it possible to use PP in order to purchase expensive spell components? I'm looking at Stoneskin, and I would like to use 2 PP to buy a giant jar of granite dust(worth 750gp) which I could then use to cast the spell 3 times. I'm not sure how this fits into the rules legality though.
On the one hand, this could be considered purchasing a single item(the jar of dust) with multiple uses, not unlike buying a scroll with duplicate spells, wand with multiple charges, or a bottle of sovereign glue.
On the other hand, it could be considered 3 separate items(3 separate spell components), which just happen to be the same type of item that is stuffed into a single container.
Probably not, as most Boons, Vanities, etc. that allow you to buy things for cheap (or receive things for free) specifically say "but not spell components"). Now, if the spell component in question is listed elsewhere as a separate item,* it's fair game.
*There's at least one spell with the Material Component "a suit of armour" so go ahead and grab Mwk Half-plate.
Venture-Captain, Germany—Hamburg
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well, clearly you can, sometimes, buy spell components because you can use pp to pay for raise dead and restoration and other services, the main cost of which is the material components.
But in that case, you're buying the spellcasting service, which does include the purchase of the spell component, but also the expenditure of said component.
This is listed seperately from "buying an item worth up to 750 gp" for 2 PP.You could, however, buy a scroll of Stoneskin, because it is a single item. This would also include the cost of the material component, but as with spellcasting service, it also includes the expenditure of the component.
Like Bigrin, I'm not sure if spell components could really be counted as a single item. There are a few examples that list single items, and if those are available on their own, like masterwork daggers or armor, purchasing them clearly is no problem.
But especially when it comes to powdered materials, it's hard to say wich amount of powder might count as "one item".
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There is nothing written in guide that you cannot buy spell components. Items bought for Prestige are worth 0 gold and need to be only single item purchases. That's about only restriction which I found.
For the purpose of game, I believe that diamond dust counts as a single component. You could gain up to 750 gp worth of diamond dust, but you could not gain 75 gems worth 10 gp each since that's not a single item anymore.
What you do with 750 gp diamond dust after is your choice. You could split use it for Restoration spells normally I believe. At least, that's how I believe it should work. Buying spell components shouldn't be any different then buying regular potions or wands, as long as it's single item being purchased.
Adam
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If items bought with prestige are worth 0 gp, wouldn't 750 gp worth of components bought with prestige be worth nothing (and not able to meet the "250 gp worth of materials" requirement)?
No. The restriction is there so you cannot buy 750 gp worth of gems, say, and sell it off to use for regular gold.
Otherwise, it would mess up way too many things. The resale price is 0, but the value, in your items, is as normal.
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If items bought with prestige are worth 0 gp, wouldn't 750 gp worth of components bought with prestige be worth nothing (and not able to meet the "250 gp worth of materials" requirement)?Otherwise, it would mess up way too many things.
Like what?
A sword worth 0gp hits the same as the same sword worth 750gp.
A 750 gp wand has the same properties as the same wand worth 0 gp.
The Composite Short-bow (+9Str) my character just recently picked up for 2PP has no discernible difference between one I could have spent 750 gp on.
The worth of an item creeps in VERY seldomly. Resale, spell components (granite dust WORTH 250gp), and what else?
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If items bought with prestige are worth 0 gp, wouldn't 750 gp worth of components bought with prestige be worth nothing (and not able to meet the "250 gp worth of materials" requirement)?Otherwise, it would mess up way too many things.Like what?
A sword worth 0gp hits the same as the same sword worth 750gp.
A 750 gp wand has the same properties as the same wand worth 0 gp.
The Composite Short-bow (+9Str) my character just recently picked up for 2PP has no discernible difference between one I could have spent 750 gp on.The worth of an item creeps in VERY seldomly. Resale, spell components (granite dust WORTH 250gp), and what else?
Fame limits for magical upgrades, just for starters.
While that shortbow would need a Masterwork Transformation cast on it, it could still be done, so that 750 gp base cost would still count when you want to upgrade it past plain vanilla +1.
And there are several items that can be bought that are already masterwork, so their base cost has to be included for magical upgrades, like the much more common masterwork darkwood composite longbow (Str +3) or the masterwork greenwood composite longbow (Str +2). Those are 730 gp and 750 gp, respectively. +1 is Always Available, but when you want to add another property, whether that is Adaptive or Seeking or Holy, you have to include that base cost in the value of the weapon.
I admit, it does make for some oddities, like my higher level Fighter with a +1 Seeking darkwood composite longbow, which cannot be sold off because the basic bow was bought with 2 PP.
So, the intent of the rule is that you cannot sell off anything bought with PP for actual, in-game gold; but you treat it, for all other purposes, as having the value that it was bought at. Which means that 750 gp worth of diamond dust, bought wth 2 PP, is still usable for the material component in whatever spell can use it.
So, while it will work for X dust, it wouldn't work for buying, say, 6 25 gp onyxes for use as the material component in Animate Undead or Create Undead, but you could use 1 PP to buy a single onyx worth 150 gp for 6 HD/3 HD respectively.
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Moving a discussion from another thread where it was off-topic:
The item purchased with 2 PP has 0 gp value only for selling purposes. That means you can't sell the item for gold. Other than that, the item functions as it would if you bought it with gold. That includes diamond dusts or whatever that has a buying value equal to that 750 gp.750 gold worth of diamond dust so that the friendly local caster can cast stoneskin or most of a level-drain repairing restoration on you.I don't believe this is an option, though I could be mistaken. Everything purchased with PA is considered to have a value of 0gp, and you can only purchase a single item. A speck of dust...
On the other hand, this would be nice in a variety of ways, so I'd love to be wrong.
Actually, while I believe that to be the *point* of the statement, that's not what it says:
Once per session, you can acquire any single item of this cost or less from your faction by spending the appropriate number of Prestige Points. Items purchased this way are worth 0 gp and cannot be sold.Additionally, there's still the issue of only being able to purchase a single item.
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The Composite Short-bow (+9Str) my character just recently picked up for 2PP has no discernible difference between one I could have spent 750 gp on.
I know it's off topic, but how are you getting a 28 Strength? Buff spells? Why would you buy a bow that you take a -2 to hit with unless you were buffed for melee?
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The Composite Short-bow (+9Str) my character just recently picked up for 2PP has no discernible difference between one I could have spent 750 gp on.I know it's off topic, but how are you getting a 28 Strength? Buff spells? Why would you buy a bow that you take a -2 to hit with unless you were buffed for melee?
I believe it was something like +4 Rage, +2 from levels 4 and 8, and +6 from a belt, with a starting 16 STR.
I remember playing in a scenario with his character where he had taken 15 or 16 STR damage from fighting shadows underwater and the GM was absolutely flabbergasted to find out that not only was his Elf still up and moving, but was still above 10 STR. Said GM's mind was further blown when my rogue pulled out an almost fully charged wand of Lesser Restoration I had purchased for a previous scenario and started healing everyone's ability damage. Good times...
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The Composite Short-bow (+9Str) my character just recently picked up for 2PP has no discernible difference between one I could have spent 750 gp on.I know it's off topic, but how are you getting a 28 Strength? Buff spells? Why would you buy a bow that you take a -2 to hit with unless you were buffed for melee?I believe it was something like +4 Rage, +2 from levels 4 and 8, and +6 from a belt, with a starting 16 STR.
Close. By then, it was level 11 (Greater Rage = +6 STR), and there was a spare +1 Torch bonus to STR from Rivalry's End.
16 +6 belt +6 rage +2 levels +1 Torch = 31 STR (Sometimes 33 via Enlarge Person)
