Have there been any rulings on these interacting as anything other than the current RAW? With the ability to take two different kinds of blood lines it seems like it could be a bit silly really fast? Or does the Bloodrager count as a sorcerer for purposes of requirements to enter and bloodline limits?
That is a question I was thinking of myself.
For example, if the Bloodrager Abyssal Bloodline didn't count as the Sorcerer Abyssal Bloodline, you could take two Eldritch Heritage feats and end up with a 53 Strength while raging by level 20 (gaining +6 Strength while raging from the Bloodrager version, and a +6 inherent bonus to Strength from the Sorcerer version).Huh?
Benefit: Select one sorcerer bloodline.
which, AFAICT, means you currently cannot get Bloodrage through Eldritch Heritage. For the +12 str you'd have to be a Bloodrager and take Eldritch Heritage feat for the Sorcerer version. So I guess it's still possible, but it's a LOT more costly than three feat slots (skill focus + eldritch heritage x2)...
Anyhow, I also think the Bloodrager Bloodlines should count as Sorcerer Bloodlines in terms of prerequisites, feats (like Eldritch Heritage) etc.
likewise. a clause that the bloodrager's bloodline counts as the sorc's bloodline for effects would work nicely, or perhaps with an errata for DD to work with the draconic sorc bloodline or bloodrager bloodline.
hey, no rules against grabbing eldritch heritage (abyssal or orc) feats with your draconic bloodline bloodrager/DD.
lets see, with a bloodrager 12 / DD 8 youd have something along the lines of:
20 base w/ racial, +8 (morale, greater rage w/ +2 from the abyssal BR bloodline), +6 (inherent) from EH of choice, +5 level (untyped), +6 belt (enhancement), +5 book or wish ((???), dont think the two stack with each other)
comes to 50 even by my count before DD's bonuses come in.
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From the Alternate Class Guide:
If you have levels in one of these new classes, you cannot take levels in either of its alternate classes, nor can you take levels in a class in this playtest that also has either of those alternate classes. For example, if you take levels in arcanist (alternate classes: sorcerer and wizard), you can’t also take levels in sorcerer or wizard, nor can you take levels in bloodrager (alternate classes: sorcerer and barbarian).
Pretty clear from this quote that combining Bloodrager and Sorcerer is not allowed.
I'm thinking the DD & bloodrager combo might work, but I could imagine them making an archetype OF the bloodrager that basically does that.
Also, EH (orcish or abyssal) gives an inherent bonus, which is the same as wish. So those 2 dont stack unfortunately.
lets see, with a bloodrager 12 / DD 8 youd have something along the lines of:
20 base w/ racial, +8 (morale, greater rage w/ +2 from the abyssal BR bloodline), +6 (inherent) from EH of choice, +5 level (untyped), +6 belt (enhancement), +5 book or wish ((???), dont think the two stack with each other)
i see people make this mistake soooo often on the forums... tomes/manuals and wishes grant inherent bonuses... you can benefit from the bloodline boost or a manual/tome or wishes, you cannot benefit from more than one. the bonuses from EH are nice because they save you a bunch of gold (and can get to +6 instead of the normal +5 cap), but you cannot stack them. [/thread derailing correction]
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yeah, i was unsure of the typing on book/wish. so end count would be 45 (20 base + 8 morale + 6 EH + 5 level +6 belt) before DD (+4 str, +2 con/int), stopping at a 49 (+19, +27 while 2-handing something) at level 16--not half bad.
remember that with greater rage, DD bonus, and raging vitality, you also have a +10 bonus to CON while raging as well
all this on top of the other misc things from bloodrager up to level 12, and DD at 8 (meaning CL 17 (or CL 14 if the bloodrager gets a -3 to line it up with paladin/ranger casting)).
though there is one issue--this is built on the fact that you DONT count as a sorcerer for DD. if you have to take the draconic bloodrager bloodline to get in, your max strength drops by 2 to 47 (+18, +27 while 2-handing something) since you lose the abyssal raging str bonus. not that it matters since your 2h strength is still the same.
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From Dragon Disciple prerequisites entry:
Spellcasting: Ability to cast 1st-level arcane spells without preparation. If the character has sorcerer levels, he must have the draconic bloodline. If the character gains levels of sorcerer after taking this class, he must take the draconic bloodline.
as per Playtest, these hybrid classes count as both of the alternate classes, since they can't take levels of either classes separately before or after entering the hybrid class.
If you have levels in one of these new classes, you cannot take levels in either of its alternate classes, nor can you take levels in a class in this playtest that also has either of those alternate classes.
Likewise, if you have levels in a base class, you cannot take levels in any of the classes in this playtest that list that base class as an alternate class.
To that end only, I strongly assume that if one would want to make a Dragon Disciple from a Bloodrager, he'd count as a sorcerer and therefore he'd need to be of Draconic Bloodline Bloodrager. Even though the bloodline is slightly different from the Sorcerer's version, it still is the same bloodline. (as per written)
I played a sorcerer (copper draconic bloodline) / barbarian (fiend totem) with Eldritch heritage (abyssal) that prestiged into Dragon Disciple in my rise of the runelords game. He was indeed a very intersting and powerful character. He ended up stronger than most of the giants we faced. I roleplayed him as a sorcerer who's initial spark of magic was draconic, but the more he looked inside himself to find deeper magic the more he became aware of a darkness inside staring back at him. That revalation sent him on a rage spiral for a while (cue the barbarian levels), but ultimately he committed himself towards choosing the good inside over the evil (dragon over demon, cue dragon disciple). He was chaotic neutral to show his struggle with the opposing forces inside, and very rarely raged (as the fiend totem caused horns to spout from his head reavealing his darker nature). He carried a holy cold iron longsword as a his main weapon and symbol of his commitment to the light. I joined the party at level 11, didn't rage until 13 or 14 when I encountered my first demon. I one rounded the demon, but terrified my entire party in the process. Had to answer some questions after that.
Man, if only the Bloodrager existed then, it would have been a lot easier bookeeping on me. Maybe I'll do a quick write-up of the character using the Bloodrager instead to see how different he would look.
Good looking class, and I'm really excited to see it in play.
I just want to chime in and agree. Bloodrager HAS to be able to prestige to dragon disciple, it's just too logical a combination.