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so i am of hispanic desent and i've noticed theres really no spanish type charecters most of them are from europ or asian types but nothing from like south america so i want to try and make one, i was thinking of an aztec type warrior or maybe amazon i dont know any ideas? i would like him to also be viable in combat though not overly gimped. Initial thoughts were like a druid with a panther companion wielding a spear for like an aztec feel to it? anyone know of anything that exists in game like this or have thoughts? thanks!
The gauchos used to ride horses and use bolas, some of the indigenous folks of central and south america used blow guns to hunt. As far as a companion, a jaguar is more latin orientated then the panther
I think Taldor resembles Spain in a lot of respects and there are parts of the the Mwangi Expanse that are similar to the new world. For mechanics look to re-skin existing archetypes - have a look at the Mad Dog barbarian (barbarian that gives up a number of rage powers for a Druid Animal companion).
Can you give us more insight as to how you'd like your character to act in combat and outside of combat?
Not sure if they have this in the game but an Atlatl would also look good for this concept.
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I was thinking maybe he would sen in his jaguar while throwing javili a at his enemies or possbly poisen darts but prefer javilen and if he has to be in mellee like the idea of the terbutje for flavor or a spear .. Was thinking of making him a Druid we he can also call upon his primal gods for elemental powers and take the shape I jungle beasts ? Any thoughts ? Or comments? Or any idea on how to build it?
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As a fellow Hispanic guy (Puerto Rican), I've actually been running a game set in a high fantasy psuedo-Caribbean setting. I can help you out.
If you are looking to make a Jaguar Warrior, I can suggest a couple of things. If you want a jaguar warrior from history, I'd suggest barbarian. Savage Barbarian or the Invulnerable Rager would both do well in terms of using light (or no) armor while still being a tough opponent to beat. A straight fighter would also work, focusing on raw damage with Mesoamerican weapons, such as the atlatl (for ranged), the terbutje, and the tepoztopilli. Remember that these are fragile until you get magic versions, which should be quick. If you're looking for having the animal companion and more skills than damage, a ranger would be the best choice. I'd go with Weapon and Shield for the Combat Style, since the jaguar warriors focused on the terbutje and feathered shields to fight. Though you could go Two-Handed and use the tepoztopilli. Go with small cat to essentially have a jaguar pet, and you're golden. Personally, I'd go with the ranger, specifically a Skirmisher, but I kind of prefer spell-less rangers :)
If your GM allows 3rd Party Publishers, Little Red Goblin Game has a supplement called Heroes of the West that has many American-themed classes and archetypes, including the Jaguar Warrior. Very good stuff, very balanced, and very flavorful. Give it a try.
As for the where, if you are playing Golarion, you can say you are from Arcadia, the Americas equivalent. If not, work with your GM to see how you can fit your jaguar warrior into the setting. Shouldn't really be that hard.
They don't have a lot of real world analogues in Golarion. They don't have any solid analogues to Celtic cultures, either. I'm not mad. You shouldn't be either, LazarX.
Should point out this is for pathfinder society play
Roger. 3PP is out of the question then. I'd definitely go for the Ranger from Arcadia as a character with a Small Cat as an animal companion. Just fluff it out to be a jaguar and you're fine.
Shame you have to play PFS though. The jaguar warrior archetype in HotW is pretty neat.
Yes sounds cool but don't have a home game going only pfs games in the area the ranger sounds nice too what did you think of a Druid though with primal elemental type powers as we'll? That seemed pretty neat in concept not sure how it would
Do in combat though
The druid would be fun, although it wouldn't really be a Jaguar Warrior. You'd lake the warrior's ability outside of the jaguar form. It'd probably be more like a Nagual than anything. Which is still pretty cool and doable. Still very flavorful and in the end, it's up to you.
You can find all known ethnicities of Golarion here.
Since they haven't done more with Arcadia, I doubt it would just be left with "Arcadian" as an ethnicity. Pretty sure it'll get fleshed out more when that day comes. Still, in the meantime, just to adhere to PFS draconian rules, he'd probably have to call himself Arcadian.
Oh wow I just checked out just jaguar warrior why is this not in pathfinder ! That's too bad man that would be awesome I hope one day they include some Native American and South American type stuff it's too bad we get no love in nerd culture except Lanka for street fighter he's awesome
Arcadia is the American analogue in Golarion. Right now, there isn't much about it. However, James Jacobs, the Creative Director, has stated that he'd love to detail more about that in the near future. So there's always hope.
In the meantime, I know Forgotten Realms had Maztica. Could look at that. Though find the 3rd Edition or earlier versions. 4ed prettymuch erased it from existence when they ruined Forgotten Realms.
Inigo Montoya.
So there are a bunch of thematic options. Are you imagining more North America or South America? How much Spanish influence vs native culture? Are you looking to play a martial character or a casty type or something else? We need more info :)
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I would start a thread here, for ideas on real world analogs to Golarion ethnicities.
Remember, nothing will match perfectly.
Golarion and Earth have similarities, but are ultimately not the same.
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Yea look up a jaguar warrior from the Aztec military or the eagle warrior if boy Wikipedia it than basically what I want to make... If I can get a jaguar pet in there then great if not fine but. E has to be viable in combat I want him to be able to throw javelins atlatl darts or poise darts from afar and get up close and personal with the tubutje or tubutille for melted and am be even throw some bolas for fun? But he does have to be able to hold his own in a fight open to any and all builds and need some idea on the ability score spread
Yea look up a jaguar warrior from the Aztec military or the eagle warrior if boy Wikipedia it than basically what I want to make... If I can get a jaguar pet in there then great if not fine but. E has to be viable in combat I want him to be able to throw javelins atlatl darts or poise darts from afar and get up close and personal with the tubutje or tubutille for melted and am be even throw some bolas for fun? But he does have to be able to hold his own in a fight open to any and all builds and need some idea on the ability score spread
If you're looking more for a warrior with a pet, I think Ranger is your best bet. Luckily, all of the weapons you mentioned (except bolas) are martial weapons, which the ranger is proficient with. Bolas will need Exotic Weapon Proficiency to use properly. Get a "Cat, Small" for a companion and you should honestly be good to go.
I'm not sure what you mean. If you want an ethnicity that's somewhat similar to hispanic, then Arcadian, Varisian, or Taldan would all have some parallels. If you want a class that resembles a hispanic stereotype from westerns or movies, I would have to ask why, and suggest reconsidering.
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I'm not sure what you mean. If you want an ethnicity that's somewhat similar to hispanic, then Arcadian, Varisian, or Taldan would all have some parallels. If you want a class that resembles a hispanic stereotype from westerns or movies, I would have to ask why, and suggest reconsidering.
Varisians are more comparable to the Romani, while Taldan is more like Byzantine with some Spanish blend. I imagine he's looking more for Pre-Colombian indigenous peoples of the Americas since he mentioned "jaguar warriors". Which isn't in any western I've ever seen. I don't see why this is such a big issue for people.
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What do you mean why? Because Aztec warriors are awesome! And I would love to play a class that is based of my history as opposed to another European or Asian or Celtic guy .. Yea odroude ranger sounds pretty good but do you think he will be feat starved with everything I would need to make this viable ?
What do you mean why? Because Aztec warriors are awesome! And I would love to play a class that is based of my history as opposed to another European or Asian or Celtic guy .. Yea odroude ranger sounds pretty good but do you think he will be feat starved with everything I would need to make this viable ?
You should be fine. Honestly, as long as you have Power Attack and good strength, you'll be doing good damage. You are essentially wanting to be a switch hitter ranger, someone that attacks with ranged weapons, then runs in to stab things. I'd suggest reading Treantmonk's Guide to the Ranger for more information on that. Specifically the section on Switch-Hitting. It's a little dated, as new feats and archetypes have come out, but it's a very good starting point.
What do you mean why? Because Aztec warriors are awesome! And I would love to play a class that is based of my history as opposed to another European or Asian or Celtic guy .. Yea odroude ranger sounds pretty good but do you think he will be feat starved with everything I would need to make this viable ?You should be fine. Honestly, as long as you have Power Attack and good strength, you'll be doing good damage. You are essentially wanting to be a switch hitter ranger, someone that attacks with ranged weapons, then runs in to stab things. I'd suggest reading Treantmonk's Guide to the Ranger for more information on that. Specifically the section on Switch-Hitting. It's a little dated, as new feats and archetypes have come out, but it's a very good starting point.
I think this is a really good place to start. I would suggest that you take the archery combat style (if I recall correctly Treantmonk recommends the two weapon fighter stuff to ignore stat prereqs but that doesn't work thematically with this build) because most of the feats work just as well for the Atlatl as the Bow. I would also use either a morningstar or a sawback longsword and call it a Macuahuitl. Carry a Buckler. Otherwise high STR and power attack are your friends.
I think this is a really good place to start. I would suggest that you take the archery combat style (if I recall correctly Treantmonk recommends the two weapon fighter stuff to ignore stat prereqs but that doesn't work thematically with this build) because most of the feats work just as well for the Atlatl as the Bow. I would also use either a morningstar or a sawback longsword and call it a Macuahuitl. Carry a Buckler. Otherwise high STR and power attack are your friends.What do you mean why? Because Aztec warriors are awesome! And I would love to play a class that is based of my history as opposed to another European or Asian or Celtic guy .. Yea odroude ranger sounds pretty good but do you think he will be feat starved with everything I would need to make this viable ?You should be fine. Honestly, as long as you have Power Attack and good strength, you'll be doing good damage. You are essentially wanting to be a switch hitter ranger, someone that attacks with ranged weapons, then runs in to stab things. I'd suggest reading Treantmonk's Guide to the Ranger for more information on that. Specifically the section on Switch-Hitting. It's a little dated, as new feats and archetypes have come out, but it's a very good starting point.
Actually, the macuahuitl exists already. It's a terbutje. Not sure why they went with this name, but in game they are essentially one and the same. Of course, I doubt he'll be running into many +1 Macuahuitls in PFS. And I doubt the GM is allowed to change loot since it is PFS. That might be the only problem I see.
I see. I would still use a similar weapon and just call it a macuahuitl if for no other reason than to not worry about the fragile weapon property.
edit: there is a steel one, so nevermind on that. I agree you won't get many drops on that but you can still buy them as your fame allows.
I see. I would still use a similar weapon and just call it a macuahuitl if for no other reason than to not worry about the fragile weapon property.
edit: there is a steel one, so nevermind on that. I agree you won't get many drops on that but you can still buy them as your fame allows.
Also, fragile weapons that are magic lose the fragile quality.
It will be interesting to see if any of the new classes from the ACG will be a monk/ranger hybrid. That would really feel better for this build imho.
As far as PFS goes, I would consider a Caldaru character hailing from Senghor in the Mwangi Expanse (on the coast). This city-state is pretty much a descendant of an Arcadian culture, mysteriously 'stranded' in Garund, and now speaking Mwangi and seen by some as another Mwangi tribe (although not so by others), but plausibly still retaining many aspects of their Arcadian culture (even if that isn't actually detailed). That's far from a 1:1 real-world mapping, but it allows plenty of room for roleplay based on 'some' Mesoamerican analogy AND importantly fits into Golarion lore with more basis than un-charted Arcadia. For PFS you need to use a legal source, so choosing an ethnicity or region/nation that isn't detailed anywhere isn't such a good idea. But you can be Caldaru from Senghor just fine, because that is a legal source and you can choose regional traits from that area just fine. As far as this concept goes, I don't think there's any need to go for replicating the 'primitive' weapons used pre-Columbus in the Americas, Senghor is a successful trade city and would seem to have it's own smiths, etc. I believe James Jacobs or somebody else at Paizo has stated that Arcadian cultures will not necessarily be horse-less, iron-less cultures as in real-world, they will aim for other cultural parallels but such direct material corellations aren't seen as necessary in a world of magic and planar as well as global travel.