One of my characters is a support mage. The party he is in doesn't really have a full-time healer. Is there a creature he can summon in that can heal? (Maybe even summon it in and hand it a wand?)
He is only lv. 5 so I'm pretty sure "not yet" is the answer, but how about in the future?
Not really, no. Looking at the tables, the hound archon is probably the first creature you'd be able to get who might be willing to try a wand, but he has no heal ability of his own, lacks ranks in Use Magic Device, and that's a 4th level spell.
Also, consider that the summons is a full-round action. So imagine you taking a full round to summon something, then using an action to hand a wand off to it? Not a good plan for healing in a combat situation.
I would just stock up on cure wands for your own character, and take ranks in Use Magic Device.
A wand only requires a UMD of 20 to activate. Its not particular hard to make a build that can use a CLW wand at even level 1 with a high degree of success. And if you fail badly (on a nat 1) all that happens is you can't try for 24 hours. This just means have a back up wand.
If its just for out of combat healing and the party doesn't mind waiting, a wand of infernal healing is good too. Doesn't require a UMD check either.
Hmm, bummer. I was hoping there was some critter that is in some little know resource i could use. That way i could focus on buffs and debuffs.
Anyone have a cleric who wants to volunteer to be my own personal summoned healing monster?
Summon Monster III can get you a Silvanshee Agathion, which can Lay on Hands like a Paladin. Unfortunately, they do it as a very low level Paladin, so it's pretty weak healing that won't likely help in combat.
V has a Bralani Azata, which can toss out Cure Serious Wounds 2/day. It also offers a Vulpinal Agathion which can Lay on Hands like a slightly higher level Paladin than the Silvanshee, but more interestingly, can also Remove Disease 3/day (since condition removal is at least as important as HP damage by mid game).
VI gets you a Lillend Azata, which functions as a 7th level bard, including knowing both Cure Light Wounds and Cure Serious Wounds, with 5 and 2 spell slots respectively.
IX offers a Trumpet Archon, which functions as a 14th level Cleric, complete with Cure Light, Cure Moderate, Cure Serious, Mass Cure Light, Heal, two Mass Cure Serious, Neutralize Poison, two Lesser Restorations, and a Raise Dead.
Nice examples. Level-wise though those are long way off for lower level.
Anyone have house rules that allow something different?
ie: Summon 3rd lv. Goblin Oracle or .....?
You doing it wrong.
Infernal Healing + Summon Monster (Lemure Devil)
Errr,
Not sure what you are telling me Phoenixx. Would you mind elaborating please?
I had a buddy that ran a game that allowed a PC summon monsters with NPC classes, so long as the CR matches the average CR of those listed on the summon monster list. The down side was that the player had to have pre-made monsters for use. The up side is that with a metamagic rod (extend) the wizard could summon up a swarm of goblin adepts, all with access to cure light wounds. And when those goblins were out of spells, the wizard would summon up more.
I highly advise against this. Spending one spell to get dozens of others is out of the range of "balance".
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A level 5 Wizard (or Cleric) can cast Summon Monster III. One creature available is the Lantern Archon, which can cast Aid at will. This won't help you with out of combat healing, but it can help quite a bit in combat. It helps out even more BEFORE combat begins.
Here's a sneaky trick you can do right before you know a fight is coming:
1. Get all set for the fight
2. Summon a Lantern Archon
3. Ask it to cast Aid on EACH party member. A few rounds later it vanishes. Every party member has 1d8+3 (average 7) temporary hit points.
4. Start the fight. The party will have 37+ temporary HP.
The efect of spells casted by summoned creatures disapear when summon spell expires.
The efect of spells casted by summoned creatures disapear when summon spell expires.
Are you sure? Sounds strange.
Sorry, I am not able to cite properly but this is from magic chapter under summoning subschool:
"When the spell that summoned a creature ends and the creature disappears, all the spells it has cast expire. A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have."
You are not far from being able to take the Leadership feat. I'd wait a couple of levels and attract a healer cohort. If your level 7 feat slot is already booked, negotiate with the other party members and see who can best afford to use up their feat slot.
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Or hire an adept or cleric or bard to follow your party, hide during combat, and heals you afterward. A basic trained hireling costs 3sp per day (Link), and one would assume is likely a level 1 adept or similar (if you're wanting a healer type). At your GM's discretion, the hireling will likely charge more since he's an in demand type of healing service provider, but it alleviates your need for having someone there to heal you out of combat. Plus they might end up liking the party and become a valuable NPC ally or even a cohort (if you take Leadership).
Brilliant idea Magda L. Bummer about the spell effects dispelling when the summoned critter leaves. Still a great choice to use if fight is going bad and the party needs some bolstering.
Thanks for the rule knowledge and the clarification Aeric and Emmit.
I think you hit it on the head Sadurian and Archmagi. Ultimately, you can't beat a dedicated healer.
Sorry, I am not able to cite properly but this is from magic chapter under summoning subschool:
"When the spell that summoned a creature ends and the creature disappears, all the spells it has cast expire. A summoned creature cannot use any innate summoning abilities it may have."
Ups. I missed it. Thank you for take it to my attention :)
And besides the fact that durations expire when the summon effect does, Spell-like abilities with casting times longer than the summon length will never have the chance to be cast at all.