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I am fine with no X-men...really it's just Fantastic Four that I think would be nice to see brought over into the MCU. They fit better their than they do with the X-men anyway.
I am fine with how MCU has handled "no x-men" but I am not fine with "no x-men"
Sorry if I'm splitting hair, but I'm never gonna rejoice at something nonsensical due to some legal analery that resulted in an 'ok' outcome.
The best MCU would have been (would be) an MCU that has the entire Marvel playground to itself. (refer to the Star Wars example above - it's a complicated mess for any writer to figure that kind of crap out, and this kind of s+&+ is probably gonna result in an entire separate legal field thriving for years to come i.e. the cost of your movie ticket will increase)
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Ehhhh, I'm willing to say part of the reason the MCU and other Marvel properties have turned out so well is BECAUSE they couldn't fall back on their "staple" properties like Spiderman and X-Men.
Would we have ever seen Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man even CONSIDERED as options?
Avengers (and the movie sthat tie into such) would have been possible, but still unlikely due to not being as mainstream.
Would we be getting 5 Netflix series' based on, largely, 3 characters that most people who don't read comics have never heard of, and one whose movie flopped horribly last time it was tried?
I think not, on most of these.
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Thomas Jane's Punisher flopped horribly?
Only thing Punisher on screen that hasn't sucked an egg that I've come across.
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We're getting MCU Spider-Man because Sony decoded that part of a huge take was better than all of a mediocre one.
I've said it before, but I have to wonder how much of Fox's stubbornness regarding the Richards family is due Fox and Disney supposed positions on the opposite sides of the culture war.
I'm also wondering if there might have actually been something to the rumors that Disney's price for the X-Men TV rights included the Fantastic Four rights since Fox just quietly dropped FF2 off their production schedule.
Well actually that's a rumor as far as I know. And a lot of people are actively disproving those.
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Ehhhh, I'm willing to say part of the reason the MCU and other Marvel properties have turned out so well is BECAUSE they couldn't fall back on their "staple" properties like Spiderman and X-Men.
Would we have ever seen Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man even CONSIDERED as options?
Total agreement. We hit the jackpot, and got to see some great Marvel movies based on characters we would have never seen and *still* got to see some Spider-Man movies, X-Men movies and Fantastic Four movies, some of which were pretty good, and some of which, eh, not so much.
Ehhhh, I'm willing to say part of the reason the MCU and other Marvel properties have turned out so well is BECAUSE they couldn't fall back on their "staple" properties like Spiderman and X-Men.
Would we have ever seen Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man even CONSIDERED as options?
Total agreement. We hit the jackpot, and got to see some great Marvel movies based on characters we would have never seen and *still* got to see some Spider-Man movies, X-Men movies and Fantastic Four movies, some of which were pretty good, and some of which, eh, not so much.
There were Fantastic Four movies? Are you referring to the made in the 80's that was never released?
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Troof. The first one was bang on for casting if nothing else, and was enjoyable as a silly turn off your brain movie way.
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There was no gun to Marvel's head when they signed away the movie and TV rights to their characters. The comics company was hemorrhaging capital, and the millions that FOX and Sony paid kept Marvel afloat long enough to correct their business model.
Hell, if anybody'd have been willing to buy the rights to Iron Man and Cap, Marvel would have been only too pleased to sell them, too.
While true, I'm not sure what that has to do with the fact that Sony was smart to make a deal regarding Spiderman, and Fox is being stupid to not to try and do the same with the Fantastic Four.
My understanding is that the movie division of Sony, at least at the time that the most recent Spiderman deal was made with Marvel, was not in nearly as great shape as say Fox is, and was not making investors happy.
I don't think I have heard much in the way of financial or public image problems with Fox, so there is probably far less need to deal with Marvel and Disney, who are major competitors.
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Ehhhh, I'm willing to say part of the reason the MCU and other Marvel properties have turned out so well is BECAUSE they couldn't fall back on their "staple" properties like Spiderman and X-Men.
Would we have ever seen Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant-Man even CONSIDERED as options?
Avengers (and the movies that tie into such) would have been possible, but still unlikely due to not being as mainstream.
Would we be getting 5 Netflix series' based on, largely, 3 characters that most people who don't read comics have never heard of, and one whose movie flopped horribly last time it was tried?
I think not, on most of these.
I can only agree. I can't really imagine X-Men in MCU. Spider-man, sure . But at this point, I think it's too late. Now I just hope that other not-so popular characters get introduced to MCU, like Moon Knight (rumor already), Black Knight and She-Hulk.
I would also really, REALLY want to see show or movie based on Captain Britain & MI13- comics.
There was no gun to Marvel's head when they signed away the movie and TV rights to their characters.
Eh, they kind of were.
Certainly they weren't "forced" to sign those deals any more than anyone can be "forced" to do anything at gunpoint. But their options were still: 1.) Do it or 2.) Die (as a company).
Problems all created by their own monumental f!#*-ups, and which turned out fairly well besides this minor frustration, but there was little choice in the matter from my understanding of the situation.
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If it's the Unspoken, I'm kinda scratching my head as to why he's offing the HYDRA astronauts instead of helping them reopen the portal...
I'm guessing it'll be something along the lines of so much time has passed that even Hydra's myths are just that, and the actual truth of this inhuman's evil will outstrip even Hydra.
"We have come, oh Great Leader, to return you to your rightful throne!"
"You are food-slaves." omnomnom "You, take me to more food-slaves or I eat you ... slowly ..."
I now imagine that being said by Cookie Monster.
"FOOOODSLAVE!!!" omnomnomnomnomnom *gory bits fly about* "Foodslave taasty..."
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I didn't say it was the reason, but all of the "Frozen is making out kids gay" BS has to come from somewhere in the Fox empire and the people at the entertainment side have to answer to someone.
*blink*
Frozen? Gay?
*Google-fu*
Yep... circle of Hell I had no knowledge of, until now. Humans are stupid.
As long as Elsa and/or Anna sings it I will be fine.
I just had a thought that made me shudder but again I realize now it's probably unlikely.
Fing Fang Foom is an inhuman?! ;)
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*blink*
Frozen? Gay?
*Google-fu*
Yep... circle of Hell I had no knowledge of, until now. Humans are stupid.
This is a thread about a cinematic universe where Norse gods are an immortal alien race, someone can wear a suit of armor that's tougher than pretty much our entire military arsenal, magic hammers can control the weather, etc. There's no place for something as unrealistic and silly as what conspiratorial mumbo-jumbo people believe in the real world. :)
I hope Fing Fang Foom is a actual magical dragon and not a inhuman, mutant, or alien.
I remember Lockheed was an alien but for some reason I don't remember Fing Fang Foom being an alien. But after looking around I stand corrected. Though considering how powerful he is I wouldn't mind making him a supernatural creature.
I've said it before, but I have to wonder how much of Fox's stubbornness regarding the Richards family is due Fox and Disney supposed positions on the opposite sides of the culture war.?
Is Disney considered somehow 'progressive' in some lower circle of Hell that I am unaware of?
You're aware of it. We normally call it Fox. :)
Actually, I have no real idea if there's any truth to that. The entertainment side of Fox has always been less culture war driven than the news side.
As I recall, Fox does not have a "news division" anymore. Fox News is part of the Entertainment Division. Which might explain their version of the news...
This is tangental to all the MCU threads, but it seems to fit best here at the moment.
To things I heard from the kids table about the MCU:
"War Machine is better than Iron Man because he's nice and he's black like me!"
And, from the same kid, whose about six,
"When I grow up I want to be the Falcon!"
Brought a tear to my heart.
You did tell him that Falcon is the current Captain America in the comic books, right? :)
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I remember Lockheed was an alien but for some reason I don't remember Fing Fang Foom being an alien. But after looking around I stand corrected. Though considering how powerful he is I wouldn't mind making him a supernatural creature.
Yeah, not that it really is important. Might fit better in MCU, unless Doctor Strange reveals mythical elements more than I expect.
Well, so much for
And I really, really wanted Mark Dacascos to be one of the good guys.
Sigh...
Also, I am so done with Ward. Could they please
Honestly,
I think they keep Ward around for the shippers. But he continues to prove he's as much a villain as Kilgrave or Wilson Fisk is in Netflix.
Honestly,
I think they keep Ward around for the shippers. But he continues to prove he's as much a villain as Kilgrave or Wilson Fisk is in Netflix.
I never liked that Bond wanna-be.
Which, I suppose, is the goal.
Uhm I never considered Ward "Bond" more like super spy guy that now pretty much uses his talents to serve his agenda.
Whatever that might be.
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He comes across more as a fresh new recruit than he does as a villain. I keep thinking back of the first scene in Season 1, Episode 1 -
"Everyone knows there's only Level 6"
"Welcome to Level 7"
I think I read somewhere that they decided to make him a bad guy in Season 2, on the fly, and the actor didn't even know this.
He really doesn't work as a villain, and how anyone would follow that idiot is beyond me. Chaotic Moron is his alignment. Getting on top of the dog pile just 'cause. No vision whatsoever. And I don't espouse to that "He knew all along" or "He has a master plan" theory. Dude is still in his diapers from an intelligence community perspective, with no intel contacts, and thus about as efficient as a fridge compressor in subzero temps. If he was a genius hacker like Skye I could possibly understand where he gets all his intel, etc., but he's just a thug with a gun, offing LMDs with piano wires and basically blowing all the bridges he crosses behind him.
I think he'd be a fine target for Frank Castle or Daredevil, one that wouldn't put much of a fight or say much to redeem himself or manage any kind of sensible plea for forgiveness.
Dunno PDK.
I mean considering all the other villains that have passed through this show, Ward has kind of become the default bad guy. Not by virtue of him being the best, or the brightest. He's just more willing to do what it takes to survive and follow through with what he feels is the best course of action.
Is it always a master plan? Maybe not. But look at Kilgrave. He didn't have much of a plan either, yet he's a VERY credible villain in Jessica Jones.
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Kilgrave is a true villain. Loved playing heroes with Jessica, yet turned and told his dad to put his arms in the blender. And he's got some sick powers! Come on!
Ward? don't care! really, really don't care. If you're gonna be a "villain" with no powers in Marvel, you better bring something else to the table other than a gun and some real cool lookin' 5 o'clock shadow. Maybe he's there for the ladies... any ladies here would care to elaborate? ladies? paging ladies! :)
(if no ladies reply I rest my case - he should be offed sooooooooon!)
What about Kingpin? He had no powers but he was a great villain.
I mean are you going to say that if he didn't have powers, he wouldn't be a great villain for Daredevil to fight?
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Not at all.
But I brought you to a good space: compare Ward and Kingpin.
If you see them as equal I will never ever be able to sway your opinion about this, as I think "Ward" is not even a character in the sense of it. Character development is non-existent, I don't really feel bad for him and how he became a villain.
And face it, if I'm going to spend time watching a Marvel show, make it about Marvel characters. Agents of SHIELD has always suffered from that "original sin" in my opinion, in the sense that "let's do a show about nothing, but in the MCU". Every nugget they feed you is a deliberate tug of war between various studio execs. I applaud the effort, as it's never really been done before, but after three seasons of this, I can't really say that it makes for awesome TV.
At least GOTHAM is a show about Gordon, Penguin, Riddler, Two-Face, Batman, Alfred, Catwoman, and so on. Yes it's set in the past, but it's about characters DC aficionados give a dam about.
If Marvel Agents of SHIELD was about Nick Fury, Dum Dum Duggan, Maria Hill, some of the other commandos, and their tie ins with Cap and Iron Man, it would be a completely more watchable animal. I wouldn't even care if they all drank from the same Kool Aid that gave them back their youth so they could all be on the same show! :)