Dragon Kings fans, we hear you regarding wanting a lower entry level for the worldbook pdf and we're considering it. What would you like included and what would you want to pay?
A setting book from most companies generally runs in the $30-40 range for print, ~$20ish for PDF. That would seem reasonable to me. Plus that's about the amount it looks like you'd get subtracting the music-only reward levels from the PDF level, give or take a few bucks.
I agree with LMPjr. Please make levels where I can pick up items without the music. And don't try and force people to get both savage worlds and pathfinder, let them choose one or the other.
+Hojillion.
I may not be sure I want to invest in this for the paper copies, if I'm thinking it's cool, but unsure how my group will receive it. By sticking to the electronic content, I can support it, and come back for the treeware if I change my mind.
-Ben.
This looks expensive to me: $75 for the book + $40 for shipping.
Some comparisons to other kickstarters:
Necropunk $10 for the Pdf
Primeval Thule: $60 +$20 shipping outside US
Thunderscape: $40+$20 shipping outside US
Sovereign stone: $79 for 3 soft cover books +$29 shipping
Spheres of power: $40+$10 shipping
Ultimate Psionics $100 (but this is a 400+ page book) +$20 shipping.
I think you could stand to cut the prices somewhat! Having said that you are 31% funded already, so maybe you should just ignore me!
I think I might wait until it is release generally and see if I can cut the price a little - shipping in particular.
I have been wanting Pathfinder Athas forever. No offense, but I have zero interest in your band in that arena (you may be very good and enjoyable musicians, but that doesn't help me toss dice). I'm really surprised kickstarter allowed this in the game category, because it feels like you're selling music first. Hell, your big mega pledge is to be on your CD.
I would have paid around $20 for the package deal of the rules as a PDF. I am inclined to pay less now.
Glad to see you guys got this underway!
Just saw a digital only - $70 bucks is too rich for that for my blood. Good luck with the project though.
I plan to keep an eye on it, in case other stuff happens, but I basically wanted the world book, the rule book and the MP3 album. That is pretty much what the Digital $70 is. I have what my price point would be for that amount of material, and it is significantly lower than their pricing.
Added material at that price wouldn't get me to pay $70 though.
Not saying what they price it as bad or anything, just above what I'd be willing to pay. :D
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Price is too high and the book is system agnostic. Pass. I can always just rock old Dark Sun material or re-skin my 4e campaign setting if I'm getting material where I have to provide crunch myself.
That, and as much as I respect one may have passion for music making it what seems the defining selling point of this is just pushing the price up on something without adding much value for me.
Might be worth keeping an eye on.
$70 is the cheapest you can get the PDF of the World Book?
I am completely uninterested in mp3s/music/bells/whistles/gewgaws - as beautiful as it might be.
I am a die-hard Dark Sun fan and very interested in the World Book.
The Gazetteer is too tied to the album to interest me either, regardless of its use as a campaign aid.
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Dragon Kings fans, thank you for your discerning eyes and constructive feedback. Dragon Kings is a complex multi-media project and we want to give you the greatest possible options to enjoy it the way you want. Over the past 24 hours we’ve taken all of your comments and concerns and boiled them down to these new game-centric pledge levels. Enjoy!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084491323/dragon-kings
DIGITAL GAMER: $25
The PDF version of the Dragon Kings World Book, the PDF version of the Gazetteer, and the PDF version of the Exclusive Poster Map, both the Pathfinder and Savage Worlds PDF rules supplements plus all other unlocked Rules Supplement PDFs.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
GAMER OF KHITUS: $45
The print and PDF versions of the Dragon Kings World Book, the PDF version of the Gazetteer, and the PDF version of the Exclusive Poster Map, both the Pathfinder and Savage Worlds PDF rules supplements plus all other unlocked Rules Supplement PDFs. Includes free US shipping.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
Add $35 USD to ship outside the US
CHAMPION GAMER OF KHITUS: $80
The print and PDF versions of the Dragon Kings World Book, the print and PDF versions of the Gazetteer book, plus the print and PDF versions of the Exclusive Poster Map, and the print version of the Exclusive Cover Poster, both the Pathfinder and Savage Worlds PDF rules supplements plus all unlocked Rules Supplement PDFs. Also includes free US shipping and any digital extras unlocked via the Kickstarter.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
Add $40 USD to ship outside the US
Now that I can get behind. :D Pledged at Digital Gamer level, I might kick it up to $45 depending on how my budget looks in the final hours.
Awesome! Payday is not until Friday tho =(
Awesome! Payday is not until Friday tho =(
Did you know that pledging now doesnt mean anything will be charged?
The days that matter (payday timingwise) are the day the project funds and the couple of days beyond that. That's when your credit card will be charged if you're a backer.
Yeah I keep forgetting that about KS. I try to stay in the pattern of only pledging when I have money on hand, though. I personally find it a bad habit to get out of.
I'd actually prefer if it went into an account on trust or something as soon as you backed. I've been caught before with a bunch of kickstarters coming due all at once (that I'd gradually pledged to over the preceeding couple of months). If it left your account when you pledged (but didnt get turned over to the project organiser until the project funded) it would suit me better.
No doubt amazon would be wearing lots of bank fees in those instances where the project didnt fund though, so I doubt such a thing would ever happen. It would also get complicated when you shifted your pledge around (for add-ons or due to tweaks that inevitably happen mid-kickstarter).
DIGITAL GAMER: $25
The PDF version of the Dragon Kings World Book, the PDF version of the Gazetteer, and the PDF version of the Exclusive Poster Map, both the Pathfinder and Savage Worlds PDF rules supplements plus all other unlocked Rules Supplement PDFs.
Estimated delivery: Apr 2014
This sold me. Now if I can just add "Listener" for 12 bucks for the music I would be perfectly content. I've pledged. :D
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Muuuuch better. Thanks for listening Raddu!
Hmm... this looks promising.
I always enjoyed Dark Sun, and this seems to be a nice option.
I'll have to think about pledging...
Just want to chime in here that if you guys do want to use our psionics rules, we're happy to provide the same compatibility license / logo that we've done for quite a few other 3PPs. Like the PFRPG compatibility license, we don't charge anything for it or require anything in return - we tried to make it as easy as possible to use.
Give me a holler if interested and congrats on the success so far!
International backers, we’re listening! We’re considering several options to make print copies of the Dragon Kings items more affordable and attractive to international backers. International postage is expensive, but there are some things we’re considering for international backers who are getting the printed World Book as part of their rewards. Join the discussion at the Dragon Kings Forums to let us know what you think!
Decided to go ahead and take the plunge!
The artwork alone is awesome, but I'm looking forward to using the setting for Pathfinder!
Hmm... the Kickstarter is kind of stalled out at $22,861.
Need more backers!
Also, I definitely vote for using Dreamscarred Press's Psionics with the Pathfinder rules for Dragon Kings (I'm already an "Ultimate Psionics" supporter)!
Also, I definitely vote for using Dreamscarred Press's Psionics with the Pathfinder rules for Dragon Kings (I'm already an "Ultimate Psionics" supporter)!
Just wondering but has this issue settled? Are you guys going to use Dreamscarred Press Psionics system or are you going to make one of your own?
Greetings everyone! Thanks ShadowcatX for answering LMPjr007's question.
Great to see that the new pledge levels are working out. We have a few more tweaks coming up soon as well. Watch for an announcement later this week!
Greetings everyone! Thanks ShadowcatX for answering LMPjr007's question.
Great to see that the new pledge levels are working out. We have a few more tweaks coming up soon as well. Watch for an announcement later this week!
Excellent. Now I feel even better supporting this kickstarter!
They posted on their facebook that they'd be using dreamscarred as there is no need to invent the wheel.
Awesome to hear!
If you guys need any help, send me an email!
Wow, I was just checking out the comments section of the Dragon Kings Project Kickstarter, and saw that "Monte Cook Games" is now a backer!
Dragon Kings fans,
Today we announced a new rebate offer to all international backers. This comes from listening to our current backers and responding to fan requests across the community. We took these suggestions seriously and hope you like the new offer.
The rebate can be taken in one of two options at the end of the Kickstarter for international backers who are receiving the printed World Book as part of their rewards:
1) Cash Rebate Option. International backers get a straight rebate after the Kickstarter concludes ($10 for most, or $20 for Canadian backers)
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2) Bonus Rebate in Add-Ons Option: International backers can take an additional $10 greater than that amount in add-ons (such as print versions of the PDF rules supplements, miniatures, poster maps or other products).
Also a reminder from last week, we announced three new pledge levels: Digital Gamer, Gamer of Khitus, and Champion Gamer of Khitus. These give potential backers new assortments of products and provide access to the World Book at lower levels.
Please let us know what you think of these new international options. Thank you for all your feedback so far, we appreciate it!
Ooh, only $5,100 and 34 days to go to meet goal...
The Reddit IamA with Timothy Brown has begun! Click the link below to ask your questions about Dragon Kings...
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1o83oy/iama_timothy_brown_game_design er_musician_and/
$4,800 and 31 days to go...
$4,600 and 29 days to go.
Hmm. That's only a $100/day...
The project won't make goal at that pace. :(
Good to hear it, ShadowcatX! I'm really looking forward to this project!
Of course, once they get "Extras" up on the site, that should help (I'm definitely interested in a print version of the Pathfinder rules). :)
Wow, things have ramped up today!
6 hours later and they only need $4,100!
Oh, and that link is getting rather far up the thread, so:
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Well, the Kickstarter has surpassed the minimum funding, so it looks like Dragon Kings is getting made!
Huzzah! :D
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I agree completely, ShadowcatX!
ShadowcatX, thanks for the comments. We were considering those exact ideas and things were in the works for adjusting them, see our announcement below.
Could you explain your second stretch goal comment in a little more detail, I don't follow.
FUNDING GOAL REACHED, ALL GAME STRETCH GOALS ADVANCE ONE NOTCH!
Excellent news, everyone! Not only have we reached our funding goal, but we’ve secured separate funding to ensure the Black Fortress Falls Song Trilogy Stretch Goal is already achieved (details on that coming soon!).
So, all subsequent Stretch Goals are bumped forward (see the Stretch Goals section for details)! That means the next Stretch Goal we’re striving toward is the 13th Age PDF Rules Supplement (now just $36,000), followed quickly by the Sorcery’s Wrath adventure (now just $39,000) right after that.
Game fans, spread the word – the Dragon Kings game universe is expanding quickly!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1084491323/dragon-kings
Excellent to hear the funding goals met, Raddu.
I'll be keeping a close eye on this project (and my wallet) over the next week or so. I greatly look forward to backing at the Digital Backer level.
Good luck with the rest of the project!