This comes up when fighting some monsters (e.g. ghost and spectre) that allow a divine check to defeat them, but require that that check be magical. For example, if I'm playing Lini and encounter a spectre and I roll an 8 divine check (with no other cards involved), has the spectre been defeated? Can I banish it? Or does Lini simply take no damage and the spectre gets shuffled back into the location?
I've been assuming that divine and arcane checks are magical because that makes sense to me. That might be a house rule, though, because I can't find anything explicit in the rules that says that.
A Divine check does not automatically have the Magic trait. Compare that to Kyra's power (Add 1d8 with the Magic trait to your check to defeat a bane with the Undead trait.)
Checks by themselves don't have Traits. Traits come from cards or powers of a character.
As a follow-up, if you use a Boon with a Magic trait to enhance a combat roll against, for instance, a Shadow, does that combat roll now have the Magic trait? That is, do Boons "attach" their traits to the rolls they are enhancing?
Oooh...now that's a good question, Nephelim.
Nephelim wrote: As a follow-up, if you use a Boon with a Magic trait to enhance a combat roll against, for instance, a Shadow, does that combat roll now have the Magic trait? That is, do Boons "attach" their traits to the rolls they are enhancing? Yes, read my post on trait questions.
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q31p?Trait-questions
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My understanding is that when you play a card for a check, then the roll gets the traits from the card. So, yes, if you play a card with the Magic Trait, then the attack is magical.
Mike Riley 302 wrote: A Divine check does not automatically have the Magic trait. Compare that to Kyra's power (Add 1d8 with the Magic trait to your check to defeat a bane with the Undead trait.)
Checks by themselves don't have Traits. Traits come from cards or powers of a character.
Sorry, I don't understand your argument. What does Kyra's power to add the Magic trait to any check to defeat undead have to do with whether or not the Divine and Arcane skills are inherently magical?
Having said that, I believe you when you say that skills themselves don't have traits. That makes sense mechanically, although not thematically. After all, what is a character doing when he or she is making a Divine or Arcane check if not some sort of magic?
Eric W wrote: Mike Riley 302 wrote: A Divine check does not automatically have the Magic trait. Compare that to Kyra's power (Add 1d8 with the Magic trait to your check to defeat a bane with the Undead trait.)
Checks by themselves don't have Traits. Traits come from cards or powers of a character.
Sorry, I don't understand your argument. What does Kyra's power to add the Magic trait to any check to defeat undead have to do with whether or not the Divine and Arcane skills are inherently magical?
Having said that, I believe you when you say that skills themselves don't have traits. That makes sense mechanically, although not thematically. After all, what is a character doing when he or she is making a Divine or Arcane check if not some sort of magic? Knowledge: Arcana?
Cheezgrater wrote: Eric W wrote:
Having said that, I believe you when you say that skills themselves don't have traits. That makes sense mechanically, although not thematically. After all, what is a character doing when he or she is making a Divine or Arcane check if not some sort of magic?
Knowledge: Arcana? Heh. Except that Knowledge is an explicitly different skill than Arcana (as per Ezren's character card.)
Eric W wrote: Cheezgrater wrote: Eric W wrote:
Having said that, I believe you when you say that skills themselves don't have traits. That makes sense mechanically, although not thematically. After all, what is a character doing when he or she is making a Divine or Arcane check if not some sort of magic?
Knowledge: Arcana? Heh. Except that Knowledge is an explicitly different skill than Arcana (as per Ezren's character card.) Sorry, my reply was a little tongue-in-cheek without having closely examined the character cards.
I think the arcane/divine checks are meant to mimic the "spellcraft" skill from P&P, but the skill has been separated into two different elements.
Understanding a working of magic is much different from interacting with it, thus why the Arcane/Divine checks are potentially different than using Arcane/Divine Magic.
If this is the case, thematically, I approve. In P&P, spellcraft was a skill I did not really like having around. Arcane and Divine magic are supposed to be vastly different from each other, but a wizard who has studied nothing but arcane magic can, by virtue of all of his study of arcane magic immediately comprehend and identify divine magics?
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