So I built a rogue (sniper)class for a level one but when we were in the dungeon his uses were much lessened than I thought they would be. Anyone have any good advice/builds for a good tight space range user?
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What was the issue? Was it problems with cover and firing into melee? Did you have Precise Shot yet?
I don't know anything about sniper rogues, so I don't know what they need to do to get sneak attacks, so I don't know if that might be your problem.
Generally, fighters, rangers, and monks (zen archer archetype) are regarded as the best archers.
rogues make lousy archers, i know robin hood, many people associate with being a ranged rogue. but he was closer to a ranger.
ask if you can rebuild your rogue as a ranger.
rogues make lousy archers, i know robin hood, many people associate with being a ranged rogue. but he was closer to a ranger.
ask if you can rebuild your rogue as a ranger.
Not quite true, 2 words sneak attack
needs more informations
As long as you have a good meat shield you can get away with it. Doesn't hurt later on if that meat shield gets some crit hit feats that staggered or stunned :)
It's difficult for rogues to leverage their sneak attack with ranged weapons since they can use flanking.
For a tight space or "in the middle of melee" archer, I agree with James. Zen Archer gets Point Blank Master at 3rd level and access to Improved Precise Shot at 6th.
If you switch to rogue after that, get Deadly Range to increase the range of your sneak attacks or pick up Sniper's Goggles when you can afford them. If you can get Sniper's Goggles, check out the Deep Sight feat, which extends your darkvision to 120 feet. You should be able to get at least 2 rounds of "flurry of sneak attack" before the bad guys are close enough to even get a Perception roll.
(Re: Robin Hood. Fights with multiple weapons, equally effective at range and in melee, lives in the woods, attacks through stalking and ambushing--kind of the quintessential ranger, I'd say. )
I know a lot of DMs that houserule in a feat that's like ranged Feint for rogues that want to snipe. Perception vs. Acrobatics instead of Bluff vs. Sense Motive, or however you want to do it. Cheapy also has a pretty good houserule/fix for sneak attack that makes being a sniper a lot easier, too, and having played with it as an option in a few of my games it's pretty well balanced.
If you're set on playing a rogue sniper by default they're not a great choice. Houseruling can help if your DM is cool with throwing you a bone.
I don't think you can really salvage the sniper, its a bad archetype for the weakest class in the game. Its trying to be an archer, which is extremely feat heavy, and rogues just don't get enough feats to really pull it off. Reroll a ranger and don't look back.
The lack of feats and party might have been the downfall of the build now that I think about it. no precise shot for level one, and the party expected me to scout as a rogue and whenever an enemy was found they'd charge in and draw the enemies close. This zen archer seems to be coming up a lot is that in advanced players or ultimate combat?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo---monk-a rchetypes/zen-archer
2 seconds of google fu.
Archers need competent parties to function well. Most PFS groups tend to not be competent.