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Glad to hear there will be fewer chronoscope and other modern or sci fi minis in this one! For me, those were all just wasted minis that were either sold, traded or trown away. Focusing on the fantasy element as much as possible is definitely the way to go, says I.
This attitude was fairly prevalent among a big chunk of backers. I personally dont understand it. The bones kickstarter was a rediculous deal. You paid for 60 or so minis, you got over 200. If a handfull of the added on minis were ones you werent going to use, whats the issue? They were essentially free. Why fret over getting for free something a chronoscape fan would enjoy? Chronoscape was the 20th stretch reward. The Marines came 4 rewards later, and the nova corps and zombie hunters were in the 30's. There was tons of free fantasy additions to the vampire between them all.
I really just dont get it. It was probably the best deal in miniature buying history (I expect the next kickstarter wont be quite as good a deal) but people complain that they didnt like a handfull of what they got. If those minis werent in the vampire set wouldnt it still have been a fantastic deal? Wouldnt you have been thrilled to buy it still? Why is it bad that steampunk, future, and modern fans got thrown a bone(get it, bone)?
As far as the SciFi minis go...I wasn't interested in them but used them to trade with another forum member (THANK YOU!) for some more goblins.
Someone PLEASE pass on to ReaperBryan that we still need a solid Monk mini. A couple...it'd be nice to have the PF Iconic Sajan and a nice unarmed monk mini as well.
Looking for Halfing Monks? Look here
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OOOO!! Nice!
Yeah, they were brilliant at communicating in their first Kickstarter and even delivered early. Going so far as to talk about the casting and production process, something Reaper could have done - although they are such a big name, I suppose they talk about it on their forums.
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Glad to hear there will be fewer chronoscope and other modern or sci-fi minis in this one! For me, those were all just wasted minis that were either sold, traded or thrown away. Focusing on the fantasy element as much as possible is definitely the way to go, says I.This attitude was fairly prevalent among a big chunk of backers. I personally dont understand it. The bones kickstarter was a rediculous deal. You paid for 60 or so minis, you got over 200. If a handfull of the added on minis were ones you werent going to use, whats the issue? They were essentially free. Why fret over getting for free something a chronoscape fan would enjoy? Chronoscape was the 20th stretch reward. The Marines came 4 rewards later, and the nova corps and zombie hunters were in the 30's. There was tons of free fantasy additions to the vampire between them all.
I really just dont get it. It was probably the best deal in miniature buying history (I expect the next kickstarter wont be quite as good a deal) but people complain that they didnt like a handfull of what they got. If those minis werent in the vampire set wouldnt it still have been a fantastic deal? Wouldnt you have been thrilled to buy it still? Why is it bad that steampunk, future, and modern fans got thrown a bone(get it, bone)?
Kolokotroni, I'm not sure if you were directing your comments at me in particular or just using my post to make a more general comment ...
I personally just said that I was glad to hear that Reaper planned to have fewer chronoscope, modern or sci-fi minis in the next Kickstarter. I wasn't in any way complaining. Sure, the Vampire level was an amazing deal and I was 100% thrilled with what I got. But, that doesn't change the fact that I personally don't play chronoscope, modern or sci-fi games so those kinds of minis were of little interest to me, that's all. I'm simply glad to hear that Reaper is apparently listening to feedback and including few of these kinds of minis in the next round. That was all. No complaints from me whatsoever.
Fair enough Marc, it just surprised me how much people were unhappy about the modern/sci fi minis. It wasnt really directed at you personally, just something I saw as fairly common over the course of the kickstarter.
same here some of the Western ones make good gunslingers and there is few really good models for gunslinger as of now.
Ok. Stopped by the main store today in Denton, said they were planning for end of September but will now be October. Also said it's likely to be mostly completely new mini's, stuff that's not already pewter. Also said none of that is concrete yet but that is what's being discussed.
Sure. Note on animals and cavalries and anything else that has been suggested. We've taken what we have learned from the models that worked really well and the ones that didn't and are applying those lessons. Some suggestions will not be included. Some will be.
Personally, I like some of the chronoscape (the Harry Dresden, the fairy tales ones, ect)
there was a harry dresden mini?
Stepping back a bit, earlier in this same thread somebody said that we didn't need to do any more dragons, we had enough. and now several people are saying that we do.
You do realize it is not possible to make everybody happy with this, right? SOme of you are going to see stretch goals that have minis you absolutely do not want, and some of those models might even be freebies we "force" you to take (Yes, that was a thing people wrote angry e-mails about) or options that because you have no interest, you consider boring and a waste of time?
Given that, knowing that even WITHIN OUR OUWN FORUM we cannot please just the participants of this thread, please be patient and understanding of us when we make decisions that you don't like, but we made for business reasons. For us, the bottom line is "what models do the BONES Ranges NEED to have?", which may not share the same answers as "what models do I want for my display shelf/tabletop game/box in the bottom of my closet?"
If you all agree to accept that, I might be able to coax permisison for a few facts or even a photo...
Link to post by Reaperbryan with a teaser silhouette (looks like a Chimera to me!)
I'll dogpile here. Julie Guthrie sculpted "it". [referring to the teaser link above]
I was at Reaper a couple of weeks back and saw some of the things planned for KS#2. They made me promise not to say any specifics, but there was some really beautiful stuff there.
I can't afford it, but I know I won't be able to resist. It will be a smaller pledge than last time.
They also said they're building in a way that their sculpters will get more of the loot out of it, which I thought was nice (from a commercial point of view, it makes sense, as it means their sculptors don't leave to run their own Kickstarters). Apologies if this has already been discussed at length in the last 79 pages.
James
Bryan had mentioned to me at PAX that they were looking at doing that for the featured sculptor stretch goals. Sort of an extension of what they did on a couple of stretch levels last time, but this time they were hoping to offer all new sculpts in those levels. The bonus to the sculptors is, I suspect, to try to get their best efforts from them. The more people that order those particular rewards, the grater the bonus for that particular sculptor.
Personally, I like some of the chronoscape (the Harry Dresden, the fairy tales ones, ect)there was a harry dresden mini?
I think he might mean this guy
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Nope, I meant This one the hand with the flashlight has an alternate hand with a colt revolver that fits perfectly for Dresden (the book covers version at least). See the bone-yard sprue shown on the bottom of the page for this alternate hand. Its not available in Bones yet though.
Tomorrow I get to review the artwork for the initial offering, before stretch goals, and also test the new map.
At this point all I can say for sure is that that concept art above is brilliant!
Also, you HAVE to check out this great post!
Okay!
On Reapermini.com there's a huge poster saying:
Bones II Kickstarter
Coming sooner than you think!
AND!
Posted Today, 04:06 AM
Lord Dragon, on 27 Sept 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:
Im guessing my start date of october 18th will be a bit off
Only by a couple of weeks, give or take. At least you got the month right! ::):
So we have confirmation that it'll start in October and a couple of weeks before the 18th... could it be on October 1st?
Posted Today, 04:32 AM
Cranky Dog, on 27 Sept 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:
Let's try this:
Start: Oct 14 (Canadian Thanksgiving)
Let's try this:
it's sooner than you think.
Yeh, I think it's going to start next week.
The question is whether the following teaser is in regards to a living Kaladrax or a "Mr. Bones"-type mini?
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I can neither confirm nor deny nor post teaser images from my phone.Magnus Mercury, on 28 Sept 2013 - 9:58 PM, said:
Bluedragon_28, on 28 Sept 2013 - 6:00 PM, said:
We need a kaladrax reborn fleashed out mini, one before un-deadness has set in!!!!!
Kaladrax Unbirthed? Ugh... :wacko:
I wonder if there will be an equivalent to "Mr. Bones" for KS 2?
So... did they not raise enough capital on the first one? I don't mind getting a boatload of minis for almost nothing, but what is the motivation for round two I wonder?
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So... did they not raise enough capital on the first one? I don't mind getting a boatload of minis for almost nothing, but what is the motivation for round two I wonder?
Yes they did raise enough capital - to supply 18000 people with hundreds of minis adding in over 200 minis to the Bones line and buying an injection molding machine to bring a lot of their production back into the USA. And I'm sure they did the worse thing any gaming company can ever do - they made a profit doing it.
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So... did they not raise enough capital on the first one? I don't mind getting a boatload of minis for almost nothing, but what is the motivation for round two I wonder?
I'm guessing paying for more expensive steel molds and maybe another casting machine or two is the motivation.
Why deal with a bank when you don't have to?
To keep up with the Bones demand they certainly have to get more injection mould machines. One isn't enough to cover it. So this could certainly be part of the reason. I'd guess they'll give more info on the Kickstarter itself on Tuesday.
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This attitude was fairly prevalent among a big chunk of backers. I personally dont understand it. The bones kickstarter was a rediculous deal. You paid for 60 or so minis, you got over 200. If a handfull of the added on minis were ones you werent going to use, whats the issue? They were essentially free. Why fret over getting for free something a chronoscape fan would enjoy? Chronoscape was the 20th stretch reward. The Marines came 4 rewards later, and the nova corps and zombie hunters were in the 30's. There was tons of free fantasy additions to the vampire between them all.
Not a complaint about value so much, but IMO it was wasteful. They stamped out half a million sci-fi/ modern/ future minis, most of which will get binned or gather dust on shelves. Costs them money and provides no value to probably 75% of their audience. It doesn't decrease the value of the bundle, but doesn't increase the value either, it's just wasteful. I'd have rather Reaper just pocketed the $20,000-30,000 they spent printing them out. If they'd been an add-on, it would have been better all around.
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We can't be sure that it was wasteful, Dennis. Maybe there's an audience for giant space gorillas.
We can't be sure that it was wasteful, Dennis. Maybe there's an audience for giant space gorillas.
And of there isn't...there should be.
Their Chronoscope line, by all accounts I have read, does very well for them - having a few of those models as Bones certainly can't hurt. We are looking at it only from a narrow edge - Reaper has the big picture right in front of them for sales data and production costs/numbers. I seriously doubt they would have produced the Chronoscope minis if they didn't think they could make some profit off of it.
Darn...timing isn't so hot this month. FGG is going to put their KS up here in the next few days too :/
Which KS campaign is FGG prepping to run?
And, I'd like to say that space gorillas make for awesome NPC in
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I have evil plans for the gorilla...
The rest of the Chronoscope figures... well, a couple of them might double as gunslingers.
Generally, though, I would also have preferred them as an add-on, but I can certainly see why Reaper wanted to include them - so they can expand the Bones brand into the Chronoscope line too.
Which KS campaign is FGG prepping to run?
I believe that would be a The Lost Lands Campaign Setting Kickstarter
Ironically, I think that the gorilla is one of the MOST useful of the Chronoscape minis. It can easily be altered into a weird, half-construct alchemical gorilla or something. The miniatures that are going to be —really— hard to do anything with are going to be the ones with the machine guns. Hand guns (especially pistols) have their place in fantasy. Machine guns, only in Rasputin Must Die, and even then those guys are anachronistic.
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We can't be sure that it was wasteful, Dennis. Maybe there's an audience for giant space gorillas.And of there isn't...there should be.
Their Chronoscope line, by all accounts I have read, does very well for them - having a few of those models as Bones certainly can't hurt. We are looking at it only from a narrow edge - Reaper has the big picture right in front of them for sales data and production costs/numbers. I seriously doubt they would have produced the Chronoscope minis if they didn't think they could make some profit off of it.
The line can do amazingly well independently, but still be wasteful to include a bundle with hundreds of fantasy minis. Given the number of people who complained and the fact that they are making a point of excluding them this time around, I suspect they recognized the mistake and are fixing it this time around. I suppose it's also possible they've already printed most of the sci-fi/ chronoscape minis also.
If the line is doing well, then an add-on or second reward makes a ton of sense and is far less wasteful.
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The line can do amazingly well independently, but still be wasteful to include a bundle with hundreds of fantasy minis. Given the number of people who complained and the fact that they are making a point of excluding them this time around, I suspect they recognized the mistake and are fixing it this time around. I suppose it's also possible they've already printed most of the sci-fi/ chronoscape minis also.If the line is doing well, then an add-on or second reward makes a ton of sense and is far less wasteful.
I think they just didn't want to listen to the whining again. No one at Reaper has stated that the Chrono minis were a mistake but they have said the ridiculous overreaction some had to them was extremely tiring and demoralizing so they aren't, unfortunately, being included in Bones II. Sad how gamers love to ruin stuff for other gamers.
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I think they just didn't want to listen to the whining again. No one at Reaper has stated that the Chrono minis were a mistake but they have said the ridiculous overreaction some had to them was extremely tiring and demoralizing so they aren't, unfortunately, being included in Bones II. Sad how gamers love to ruin stuff for other gamers.
The line can do amazingly well independently, but still be wasteful to include a bundle with hundreds of fantasy minis. Given the number of people who complained and the fact that they are making a point of excluding them this time around, I suspect they recognized the mistake and are fixing it this time around. I suppose it's also possible they've already printed most of the sci-fi/ chronoscape minis also.If the line is doing well, then an add-on or second reward makes a ton of sense and is far less wasteful.
Damn, that is sad. I have no interest in the Chrono line and really didn't want them but for as much as I got that I loved, I figured what the heck. I enjoy having them and plan on using them at some point and wouldn't have mind another dozen or so to add to them. I am disappointed that people getting an incredible value couldn't just shut-up and be happy with it and allow for some diversity in the package. I am fine and happy getting more fantasy minis but it's sour knowing that some people have to suffer for that. People suck.
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Any last minute speculations? I didn't bother looking on the reaper forums.
Is reaper going to hit us again with 200+ medium-sized minis? Count me in no matter what, but how many fighter types with a sword do we need?
I guessing they're going to do something different. And I'm focusing on the word 'bigger' on the flyer.
What say you?
Any last minute speculations? I didn't bother looking on the reaper forums.
Is reaper going to hit us again with 200+ medium-sized minis? Count me in no matter what, but how many fighter types with a sword do we need?
I guessing they're going to do something different. And I'm focusing on the word 'bigger' on the flyer.
What say you?
There were a lot of complaints in the last one with lack of monsters from what I hear. I'm guessing there will be a decent number of things on large bases. There will definetely be a handful of humans though, especially since there were some class-race combos that were not done.
Seems like offering them as one of the optional add-ons makes the most sense. That way, the folks that want them can get them for a couple bucks, and the folks that have no interest in them don't get them.
But then they wouldn't be funded. The only way it worked was to have them appear as stretch goals - the add-ons are an unknown quantity until the end of the KS when people have locked in what they are ordering. If they did that and only had 50 people order a specific Chrono mini they would be screwed on costs as the mould would never be paid for.
I know people can point to that and say 'Well then there isn't enough interest to make Chrono worthwhile' to which I counter that even if you have zero interest in any Chrono mini ever you were not losing anything by having them as stretch goals. You got some minis that could easily be sold off (I know at least one person on these very boards who did just that - made a nice little bit of money off of it too) or given away. They were, just like every other stretch goal, free extras. Even the basic Vampire package was worth way more than $100.
Anyways I don't expect to convince anyone that losing the Chrono minis sucks not just for fans like myself but mini enthusiasts in general - I've found the most amazingly creative things in the Chrono line (Hounds of Tindalos, Mind Flayers, Mouselings, the Krampus even a freaking Crazy Cat Lady) and am bummed we will likely never see more Bones versions of them.
@Fake Healer - thanks for the vote for diversity! Here's hoping the Chrono fans will get a little something in KSBII.
I believe up above it said 9:00 am CST. But I'm getting that second-hand.
And while as a DM I still long for lots of new monsters, and hope that's how it plays out (oh please give me a shocker lizard! How I've longed for a good shocker lizard!), it's always been my understanding that minis makers sell a whole lot more PCs than monster minis overall, since there are so many more players than there are DMs. But yeah, sign me up for the monsters!
Geez people, look at the links and quotes I've given above. ;-)
It'll start October 1, 2013. 9 am CST (4 pm/16:00 CET for us here in Europe)
There's even a countdown ticker at the Reaper site. :-)
Reaperbryan has indeed said that it'll probably be more monster-centric (and primarily new sculpts). It's also quite clear that the larger models come out better in the "Bonesium" material.
Posted Today, 05:12 AM
Let's see...There is this one Brand New Dragon...
Teaser image!!!
3 1/2 hours to go...
lol, the kickstarter has been up 15 minutes and its at 3 times its goal...wait... in the 4 minutes it took for me to decide to post this it is now at 5 times its goal (nearly 150k)... i guess the delays in the last kickstarter havent made everyone gun shy.
Oh nice...they are finishing out the pathfinder iconics at the 150k mark, which passed while i was rubbing my eyes... it looks like the stretch goals are being listed in the updates instead of on the main page, at least for now...