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True Caineach, well said.

Though hopefully with 'Core Set Expansion #1' they can alternate between core add-on's, paid optional miniatures & core expansion add-ons. As this'd hopefully allow all to be financially viable - If say when they got to 200 mini's in Core ($100) they realised there'd be no profit adding another extra (even with economies of scale); then they could add more to the expansion set(s) to make them a steal too.

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There is already 142 figures in the core set, a pretty good deal.

As for adding extra core sets, it was confirmed by ReaperBryan in the comments that you were able to, but with the comments up to over 4,000 already, I couldn't find it to quote :)


Anguish wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:
Oceanshieldwolf wrote:
Wait, people have time AND inclination to PAINT these? I got my Vampire set last time just to get a nice range of minis for battle representation. I'm looking to do so here again, but PAINTING them? Ya gotta be kiddin' me... ;)
Hey... I've painted like 20 of the bergillion minis i got with my pledge... I'm getting there... *shifty eyes*

Wow. I'm impressed. I and the other guy in my group who paints have together done about six so far.

That said, having too many incredibly cheap minis than the time to paint is a good problem to have.

Well I cant take full credit. My girlfriend helped me. She hadnt ever painted a mini, but she was of the opinion (and rightly so) that I spent all this money on them, I should use them. So we painted a mini for each of the pcs in a campaign we started, and did some conversion work for each, which was really satisfying (and shockingly easy with bonesium) and then I painted some kobolds and such to fill out monsters we needed for the campaign. Plus a few others that caught my attention. Now I am trying to work up the nerve to get started on some of the big guys. Or at least finish painting all the goblins for my rise of the runelords campaign.


DSXMachina wrote:

True Caineach, well said.

Though hopefully with 'Core Set Expansion #1' they can alternate between core add-on's, paid optional miniatures & core expansion add-ons. As this'd hopefully allow all to be financially viable - If say when they got to 200 mini's in Core ($100) they realised there'd be no profit adding another extra (even with economies of scale); then they could add more to the expansion set(s) to make them a steal too.

Its clear enough that you will have to pay more for the same amount of minis this time around. I figured it wouldnt be as good a deal as it was the last time. Thats just sort of the reality of this kind of thing. The first one was an insane deal. I expect the core set this time to just be a really good deal. But honestly, it already is a really good deal. And alot of the things added are things I really want, so I'm ok with reaper wanting their margins to go properly with things like the 'expansions' or whatever. I can understand not wanting to pay extra, but you dont have to, just pay for whats in the core set, which is already more then you'll get anywhere else. I think they are just opting to pace themselves a bit more because they are wiser about the unforseen costs around a project like this, in addition to simply what it cost to make the molds and make the minis (which I think was just about all that was accounted for in the original core set).


Bones 1: @ $1,000,000 = 184 models = 54 cents per

Consisted Of:
30 New Bones
36 Dungeon Attack
Sophie
4 Fighters
10 Undead Horde
4 BBEG
4 Elves
4 Dwarves
4 Klocke
4 Fire
5 Townsfolk
6 Heroes
5 Haunts
10 Chronoscope
Mister Bones
6 Marines
9 Goblins
4 Bedevilled
4 Dark Elves
5 NOVA
4 Zombie Hunters
12 Vermin
7 Pathfinder
5 Pirates

Bones II: @ 1,000,000 = 140 models = 71 cents per

Consisted Of:
30 New Bones
24 Bonus
6 Heroes 1
5 Dungeon Monsters
6 PF Heroes
6 Gnolls and Bugbears
9 Shambling Dead
6 Dungeon Decor
2 Bully for You
5 Beast Mode
6 PF Heroes II
5 Lesser Demons
4 Sylvan Creatures
8 Savage Worlds
8 Pulp Action
6 Swamp Things
4 Dragon Hatchlings

So at the $1 million mark there is a difference between new and old, but 71 cents a mini is still insanely cheap by anyone's measure.


Kolokotroni wrote:
Its clear enough that you will have to pay more for the same amount of minis this time around. I figured it wouldnt be as good a deal as it was the last time. Thats just sort of the reality of this kind of thing. The first one was an insane deal. I expect the core set this time to just be a really good deal. But honestly, it already is a really good deal. And alot of the things added are things I really want, so I'm ok with reaper wanting their margins to go properly with things like the 'expansions' or whatever. I can understand not wanting to pay extra, but you dont have to, just pay for whats in the core set, which is already more then you'll get anywhere else. I think they are just opting to pace themselves a bit more because they are wiser about the unforseen costs around a project like this, in addition to simply what it cost to make the molds and make the minis (which I think was just about all that was accounted for in the original core set).

I remember someone at reaper (likely reaperbryan) saying at their ReaperCon that if the first KS had hit $10 million Reaper would have actually lost money! So yeah it actually *was* too good to be true!

I agree with you btw - Reaper is trying to pace themselves better this time around and a really good deal is just fine with me!!


I wonder if there'll be a push by Paizo this time around too, since Bones II also contains Pathfinder minis?


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After the handling of international backers the last time, I'd advise people outside the US think carefully before backing. The deal might look great and I have no doubts that they'll fulfill their obligations eventually, but IMO it's just not worth the frustration I had waiting last time while they refused to update information for the international backers. After all that Reaper's on my 'won't deal with this company again' list.


Paul Ryan wrote:
After the handling of international backers the last time, I'd advise people outside the US think carefully before backing. The deal might look great and I have no doubts that they'll fulfill their obligations eventually, but IMO it's just not worth the frustration I had waiting last time while they refused to update information for the international backers. After all that Reaper's on my 'won't deal with this company again' list.

I can understand your concerns, and again a number of international backers are weary of ordering given that reaper isnt providing a set amount for international shipping, international pledgers would have to pay whatever the actual shipping is.

But I dont know that its fair to put them on a 'dont deal with' list, as it was a kickstarter, not a standard order. Its not the same thing, and you shouldn't treat it like ordering from their online store. Geting your product eventually is precisely what you sign up for with a kickstarter, and while communication wasnt the best last time out, I've seen much much worse in kickstarters.


Paul - as an international backer myself, I'm not entirely sure what may have happened to you personally - but my experience was 100% positive.


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Kolokotroni wrote:
But I dont know that its fair to put them on a 'dont deal with' list, as it was a kickstarter, not a standard order. Its not the same thing, and you shouldn't treat it like ordering from their online store. Geting your product eventually is precisely what you sign up for with a kickstarter, and while communication wasnt the best last time out, I've seen much much worse in kickstarters.

It was the sudden cutoff of communication as soon as the US national backers were dealt with that left me with a negative impression of the company. Given that I backed Reaper in no small part due to their great customer service rep, it was clear by the sudden contrast that they made an actual choice to treat international backers a lot worse than the others. If it they'd treated all backers similarly, I'd be far less unhappy. As it is, I don't like how they treated me as a backer, so I won't do business with them directly or buy Reaper products through other suppliers in the future.


Mark Sweetman wrote:

Bones 1: @ $1,000,000 = 184 models = 54 cents per

** spoiler omitted **

Bones II: @ 1,000,000 = 140 models = 71 cents per
** spoiler omitted **

So at the $1 million mark there is a difference between new and old, but 71 cents a mini is still insanely cheap by anyone's measure.

Yes, but the Bones 1 you were getting a bunch of kobolds, skelletons, and small insects, where as with Bones 2 there are a lot more larger creatures. Cents/model is not the best way of determining these.


Yep, rather than getting* a dozen insects you get 8 & rather than 6 skeletons in 3 poses it's 9 unique poses. :P

But there's a very interesting array of models so far. Hopefully they break more stretch goals to reveal more.

*Well that's for a value of get, as it's not pre-ordering mini's - but trying to help the company out.


Paul Ryan wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:
But I dont know that its fair to put them on a 'dont deal with' list, as it was a kickstarter, not a standard order. Its not the same thing, and you shouldn't treat it like ordering from their online store. Geting your product eventually is precisely what you sign up for with a kickstarter, and while communication wasnt the best last time out, I've seen much much worse in kickstarters.
It was the sudden cutoff of communication as soon as the US national backers were dealt with that left me with a negative impression of the company. Given that I backed Reaper in no small part due to their great customer service rep, it was clear by the sudden contrast that they made an actual choice to treat international backers a lot worse than the others. If it they'd treated all backers similarly, I'd be far less unhappy. As it is, I don't like how they treated me as a backer, so I won't do business with them directly or buy Reaper products through other suppliers in the future.

Let's not drag this up again guys. It was beaten to death in the other KS Bones thread.

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Paul Ryan wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:
But I dont know that its fair to put them on a 'dont deal with' list, as it was a kickstarter, not a standard order. Its not the same thing, and you shouldn't treat it like ordering from their online store. Geting your product eventually is precisely what you sign up for with a kickstarter, and while communication wasnt the best last time out, I've seen much much worse in kickstarters.
It was the sudden cutoff of communication as soon as the US national backers were dealt with that left me with a negative impression of the company. Given that I backed Reaper in no small part due to their great customer service rep, it was clear by the sudden contrast that they made an actual choice to treat international backers a lot worse than the others. If it they'd treated all backers similarly, I'd be far less unhappy. As it is, I don't like how they treated me as a backer, so I won't do business with them directly or buy Reaper products through other suppliers in the future.

Well, that's fair enough and your are certainly entitled to expressing your opinion on this topic (which you have, in fact, done on numerous occasions) but personally I think you are being rather harsh.

In any event, you've expressed your views - I'm sure the international backers can now make their own informed decisions on whether or not to get in on this amazing deal.


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Well at least the Bones this time will be going out in Waves rather than by location. Thus International Backers can get their models before people in later waves.


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DSXMachina wrote:
Well at least the Bones this time will be going out in Waves rather than by location. Thus International Backers can get their models before people in later waves.

Yea I like that too, it sets a reasonable expectation, and it doesnt make people who ordered alot or are in a particular location feel slighted. First come first served is a concept everyone can get behind I think.


Kolokotroni wrote:
DSXMachina wrote:
Well at least the Bones this time will be going out in Waves rather than by location. Thus International Backers can get their models before people in later waves.
Yea I like that too, it sets a reasonable expectation, and it doesnt make people who ordered alot or are in a particular location feel slighted. First come first served is a concept everyone can get behind I think.

Plus it'd harbour less resentment than if there was a cost discounted Early Bird. And with some luck they might be able to fulfil quicker.


It's quite clear to me that Reaper, as a company, has learned immensely from the first KS. This shows in the implementation of this one, from the staggered shipping to clear lines about communication (read the FAQ). The downside to this, but utterly understandable from Reaper's point of view, is that international backers have to pay full shipping costs. And that's a downside in the sense that some might pledge less or not at all.
From update #30 it's quite clear how much more international shipping cut into the money they raised.
Now, as an international pledger myself I'd love to get a flat shipping rate but that's just not possible this time around.
They've looked into an EU/UK redistribution partner (ship in bulk to them and then have them ship out the individual boxes), but it's too cost prohibitive from just shipping from their own warehouse.

Edit: The only thing I would love to have as an option would be to be able to postpone my shipping costs until a month or two before they start shipping. That would allow me to save up for it (and maybe put some more money in the actual KS) even though the price might have gone up (from higher shipping prices). If the prices DO go up, then theoretically Reaper has to eat the difference.

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On the communications angle, Reaper have committed to making an update every 1st & 3rd Friday of each month after the campaign.


DSXMachina wrote:
Well at least the Bones this time will be going out in Waves rather than by location. Thus International Backers can get their models before people in later waves.

That certainly seems to be the intention*.

*:
Yet Reaper may be hindered with how responsive the shipping companies/post office is. I seriously doubt that Reaper is going to sit on starting Wave 2 shipping just because the post office isn't ready to take a bunch of international shipments from Wave 1. We saw this in the last kickstarter where Reaper basically HAD to push international shippers to the back because the USPS wasn't ready to ship them.


pres man wrote:
DSXMachina wrote:
Well at least the Bones this time will be going out in Waves rather than by location. Thus International Backers can get their models before people in later waves.

That certainly seems to be the intention*.

** spoiler omitted **

Since they have a more structured shipping plan this time they might mitigate this by getting their local post office up to speed in advance.


GentleGiant wrote:
pres man wrote:
DSXMachina wrote:
Well at least the Bones this time will be going out in Waves rather than by location. Thus International Backers can get their models before people in later waves.

That certainly seems to be the intention*.

** spoiler omitted **

Since they have a more structured shipping plan this time they might mitigate this by getting their local post office up to speed in advance.

Certainly possible. I am just suggesting that international backers realize that nothing is set in stone. While Reaper may intend for things to work a certain way, they don't control all the variables. Realizing this ahead of time should help to mitigate some possible feelings of betrayal later on if certain expectations aren't completely fulfilled.


I missed the first Kickstarter but I bought the Vampire set and Kaladrax form the reaper site a few weeks ago. I live in the UK and as the cost was over $65 I had free delivery. They arrived last week but I was stung by customs charge of £65. I figured oh well, it was post free...

I have backed the new kickstarter as the figures are just fantastic and cheaper this way too.

My question is, will the shipping costs be the same as the reaper site? If not I might have to re-think things a bit.


GentleGiant wrote:
pres man wrote:
DSXMachina wrote:
Well at least the Bones this time will be going out in Waves rather than by location. Thus International Backers can get their models before people in later waves.

That certainly seems to be the intention*.

** spoiler omitted **

Since they have a more structured shipping plan this time they might mitigate this by getting their local post office up to speed in advance.

Also, because the waves are much smaller (they had at times ~600/day for last kickstarter vs 1K/week budgeted for this one) they don't necessarily need to get dedicated trucks for international shipping and will likely be able to handle it through their normal delivery system.

edit:
I'm guessing that the wave shipments was sized specifically so that it could fit in with their normal delivery staff to make it so they wont have to go all hands on fullfillment.


simon hacker wrote:

I missed the first Kickstarter but I bought the Vampire set and Kaladrax form the reaper site a few weeks ago. I live in the UK and as the cost was over $65 I had free delivery. They arrived last week but I was stung by customs charge of £65. I figured oh well, it was post free...

I have backed the new kickstarter as the figures are just fantastic and cheaper this way too.

My question is, will the shipping costs be the same as the reaper site? If not I might have to re-think things a bit.

If you're asking if you will have free shipping the answer is no.

If you are asking if the Vampire box + Kaladrax will be the same cost to ship as the Core Set + one option from this KS the answer is - there is no way to know right now - no one knows how big/heavy the Core Set will be in the end so it could very similar to the old Vampire or it could be half the size or (ohpleasepleaseplease) twice the size! The bigger the box the more it is going to cost.

For myself I'm setting aside $100 for shipping/custom fees/taxes (did you know the freaking Canadian gov't (my gove't) hit Reaper for a 5% sales tax on the importing of goods into Canada - as a Canadian that sickens and angers me - they should not have had to pay *that*)


Oh well, I guess I will just have to be selective to keep the cost down...but I can't, there are so many good add on sets..aaaaagh.


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From the comments section of the kickstarter:

Quote:


Until we get our actual calculator online, here's a little chart we generated from the USPS rate calculator (http://ircalc.usps.com). 5 kg, $300 value:
Poland $80
Australia $80
UK $72
Germany $60
Canada $50
Finally, as a frame of reference the vampire box last year came in at 1.8kg and a single Kaladrax was 1.2kg.


Nice find Kolokotroni!

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PsychoticWarrior wrote:
simon hacker wrote:

I missed the first Kickstarter but I bought the Vampire set and Kaladrax form the reaper site a few weeks ago. I live in the UK and as the cost was over $65 I had free delivery. They arrived last week but I was stung by customs charge of £65. I figured oh well, it was post free...

I have backed the new kickstarter as the figures are just fantastic and cheaper this way too.

My question is, will the shipping costs be the same as the reaper site? If not I might have to re-think things a bit.

If you're asking if you will have free shipping the answer is no.

If you are asking if the Vampire box + Kaladrax will be the same cost to ship as the Core Set + one option from this KS the answer is - there is no way to know right now - no one knows how big/heavy the Core Set will be in the end so it could very similar to the old Vampire or it could be half the size or (ohpleasepleaseplease) twice the size! The bigger the box the more it is going to cost.

For myself I'm setting aside $100 for shipping/custom fees/taxes (did you know the freaking Canadian gov't (my gove't) hit Reaper for a 5% sales tax on the importing of goods into Canada - as a Canadian that sickens and angers me - they should not have had to pay *that*)

Technically they paid it on our behalf. It would be bad tax policy to let us escape gst by shopping abroad.


Feros wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
Speaking of that paint set - does anyone remember if it's the same as one of the sets offered last time?
I got two of the paint sets from last time and it is different from either one of those. This appears to be a new set (which I have added!)

fwiw, The paint set are the Master Series Paint HD paints, which are more opaque than the other MSP paints. Very good news for red and yellow painters!


This years Kickstarter is way better organized. Just limiting the number of packaging options alone should dramatically ease logistically problems. I really need more people to buy in so my per figure cost keeps going down!


The shipping is a pain but I can understand why Reaper isn't forking the cash again. It must have cost them a bundle last time.

I've tacked an extra $50 on my order just for the Shipping to Canada. If it doesn't come to that much in the end more minis for me but I figured better to think ahead.


Greylurker wrote:

The shipping is a pain but I can understand why Reaper isn't forking the cash again. It must have cost them a bundle last time.

I've tacked an extra $50 on my order just for the Shipping to Canada. If it doesn't come to that much in the end more minis for me but I figured better to think ahead.

$433 000 according to the pie chart they posted under Update #30. Fully 70% of that was for non-US backers despite there being more than twice as many US backers (about 13000) vs. non-US (about 5000).

I have no problem paying shipping for these. Even if it is an extra $100 (which I am budgeting for) after all fees and taxes I figure I am still getting everything at better than 1/2 price.


This might be good news for all of us international backers (or it might not, but I'm staying optimistic about it for now):

Reaperbryan wrote:
Quote:

GentleGiant, on 04 Oct 2013 - 5:58 PM, said:

I'm just going to touch on ROW shipping again.

I don't really have a problem with paying actual shipping cost, that's fair enough. Would a flat rate have been great? Sure, but that's out of the question now.

My request isn't so much about the "what," but about the "when."

To me it would make more sense for ROW pledgers to pay for shipping closer to the actual shipping date than right after the KS closes. Prices might have gone up by then and who's going to pay the difference then? So shipping payment next year (e.g. 1-2 months before each wave starts shipping - Reaper might have also received all some of the packages so they can give a more precise weight to each bundle) would make me much happier (and would also make me able to put a bit more into the actual KS).

Having close to a year to save up for shipping would probably ease a lot of ROW pledgers, so they would chip in more on the actual KS too.

Someone might then ask: "But what if people can't pay the shipping when they are requested to do so next year?"

That's their loss, they've already had close to a year to save up and they have already paid the money for the KS. If they haven't been able to save up by then... tough luck.

I have been told to expect an update today about that.

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Sheesh, I've only gotten one set of my old Bones painted so far (Ebonwrath, so it's a big one and it's taking time because I'm doing a fancy base)....

This is tempting.

But I also need a new pair of running shoes. Gah.

Glad there will more Chrono minis too. Even though I use fantasy minis more, Chronoscope is my favorite minis line and I can always find a use for them somewhere (especially since they are not just sci fi, they are just not bog standard fantasy--but actually some of the best figures for, say, Pathfinder gunslingers and alchemists, are in Chronoscope). In fact, now that I've got a bunch of sci fi minis, I feel a Doctor Who RPG campaign coming on...

If I don't do the Kickstarter I will at least have to get the rest of the Pathfinder iconics full price. My old store I used to do Pathfinder demos for, I don't really want to do stuff with them anymore, but I'm always hoping I can do demos again somewhere and having minis of the iconics makes things a lot cooler looking.


I really like the iconics, though my valeros was somewhat mutliated and is now serving as a customized mini for my natural weapon ranger (replaced his sword arms with harpy claws)

By the way, any ideas how we could convince paizo to do another front page blog post on bones II?

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Kolokotroni wrote:

I really like the iconics, though my valeros was somewhat mutliated and is now serving as a customized mini for my natural weapon ranger (replaced his sword arms with harpy claws)

By the way, any ideas how we could convince paizo to do another front page blog post on bones II?

Maybe just email the webmaster or customer service and suggest it? Couldn't hurt to try.


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DeathQuaker wrote:

Sheesh, I've only gotten one set of my old Bones painted so far (Ebonwrath, so it's a big one and it's taking time because I'm doing a fancy base)....

This is tempting.

But I also need a new pair of running shoes. Gah.

Shoes-Schmooze. Shoes wear out. Art is forever! ;)

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GentleGiant wrote:

This might be good news for all of us international backers (or it might not, but I'm staying optimistic about it for now):

Reaperbryan wrote:
Quote:

GentleGiant, on 04 Oct 2013 - 5:58 PM, said:

I'm just going to touch on ROW shipping again.

I don't really have a problem with paying actual shipping cost, that's fair enough. Would a flat rate have been great? Sure, but that's out of the question now.

My request isn't so much about the "what," but about the "when."

To me it would make more sense for ROW pledgers to pay for shipping closer to the actual shipping date than right after the KS closes. Prices might have gone up by then and who's going to pay the difference then? So shipping payment next year (e.g. 1-2 months before each wave starts shipping - Reaper might have also received all some of the packages so they can give a more precise weight to each bundle) would make me much happier (and would also make me able to put a bit more into the actual KS).

Having close to a year to save up for shipping would probably ease a lot of ROW pledgers, so they would chip in more on the actual KS too.

Someone might then ask: "But what if people can't pay the shipping when they are requested to do so next year?"

That's their loss, they've already had close to a year to save up and they have already paid the money for the KS. If they haven't been able to save up by then... tough luck.

I have been told to expect an update today about that.

They posted some estimates, but said the calculator was still being worked on.

Slightly good news for us international folks is:

1) They are collecting the shipping within the kickstarter rather than paypal after. This means they are eating the 10% fee and letting shipping count towards stretch goals.

2) They are collecting shipping up front, and then are going to eat the inevitable USPS international shipping price increase next year themselves.


Robert Hawkshaw wrote:

Slightly good news for us international folks is:

1) They are collecting the shipping within the kickstarter rather than paypal after. This means they are eating the 10% fee and letting shipping count towards stretch goals.

2) They are collecting shipping up front, and then are going to eat the inevitable USPS international shipping price increase next year themselves.

Yeah, I'm not quite with you on those things being good.

Let's draw up an example (numbers are fictional):
I have a budget limit on $500 right now.
I calculate that shipping the things I pledge for is going to cost $100.
That leaves me with $400 worth of Core sets and add-ons.
In total I pledge $500 to the Kickstarter and towards unlocking new stuff.

Now, if shipping were to be paid separately sometime between the start of the new year (for tax purposes) and actual shipping time (maybe up to 1-2 months before shipping to make sure everyone pays) then the numbers might look more like this:
Still a budget right now of $500.
I can now pledge all $500 towards Core sets and add-ons.
This ups the shipping to $120 (extra weight and maybe a USPS price raise).
But I have 10 months to "put aside" those $120 (and KS doesn't take a cut of them, so no subsidizing of the KS cut from Reaper's side).
VAT, import fees etc. will be slightly higher, but I have 12 months to put aside the extra needed (like VAT of the $120).

Clearly I'd go for option number 2 since I'll be getting $500 worth of miniatures instead of $400 worth while still putting the full $500 towards unlocking new stuff.


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The main problem with waiting to collect shipping costs til next year, is what happens for the group of people who decide they can't afford it when the time comes.

There will be some - in Bones I, they had between 300-400 folks who didn't fill out their pledge surveys, and that was right afterward and didn't cost anything but time.

Will those folks demand refunds a year later? Their money will already have been spent on the various things this kickstarter is trying to fund. Reaper isn't realistically going to refuse to refund them, so to minimize their risks, they need to collect all costs at the outset.


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GentleGiant wrote:
Clearly I'd go for option number 2 since I'll be getting $500 worth of miniatures instead of $400 worth while still putting the full $500 towards unlocking new stuff.

Clearly the best choice is to start saving now for the next kickstarter Reaper does so you don't have to make either choice. You will have the funds available to get all the miniatures you want plus the shipping.


Cintra Bristol wrote:

The main problem with waiting to collect shipping costs til next year, is what happens for the group of people who decide they can't afford it when the time comes.

There will be some - in Bones I, they had between 300-400 folks who didn't fill out their pledge surveys, and that was right afterward and didn't cost anything but time.

Will those folks demand refunds a year later? Their money will already have been spent on the various things this kickstarter is trying to fund. Reaper isn't realistically going to refuse to refund them, so to minimize their risks, they need to collect all costs at the outset.

If it's clearly communicated that the shipping will be collected later (or if people have the options of paying now or later - and paying later might entail higher prices because of USPS yearly price hikes) then it's up to people to put that money aside. They have a long head start knowing it'll come later. We didn't exactly have that this time. If people still haven't put the money aside then Reaper has the option to either say, "Tough, you knew about it well in advance" (which I don't think they'd do right off the bat) or they could say, "Well, we'll give you a few more months to collect the money" and then put them at the back of the shipping line.

Given the example Bryan gave (the 300 people), those 300 people would apparently be enough to screw things up for the other 17,000 people (or 4,000 people if one only counts ROW pledgers) - given Bones I numbers.
I fail to see why all ROW pledgers should be penalized for the laziness or incompetence of that small an amount of people.
And why would they be entitled to a refund if it has been clearly stated that they'll have to pay for shipping later?

pres man wrote:
GentleGiant wrote:
Clearly I'd go for option number 2 since I'll be getting $500 worth of miniatures instead of $400 worth while still putting the full $500 towards unlocking new stuff.
Clearly the best choice is to start saving now for the next kickstarter Reaper does so you don't have to make either choice. You will have the funds available to get all the miniatures you want plus the shipping.

Yeah... we heard that they might be doing a Kickstarter II, but had no way of knowing when that was going to happen. Then a little over a month ago it was announced that it would be this fall.

That's not exactly a long time in which to put away money. Some of us don't have huge expendable incomes so saving up takes a little longer.
I've said several times that I don't mind paying the actual shipping cost, I would just like to get some time to put that money aside AND actually use the money I DO have right now for more miniatures. I would think that's a reasonable suggestion and what anyone would like.


GentleGiant wrote:
pres man wrote:
GentleGiant wrote:
Clearly I'd go for option number 2 since I'll be getting $500 worth of miniatures instead of $400 worth while still putting the full $500 towards unlocking new stuff.
Clearly the best choice is to start saving now for the next kickstarter Reaper does so you don't have to make either choice. You will have the funds available to get all the miniatures you want plus the shipping.

Yeah... we heard that they might be doing a Kickstarter II, but had no way of knowing when that was going to happen. Then a little over a month ago it was announced that it would be this fall.

That's not exactly a long time in which to put away money. Some of us don't have huge expendable incomes so saving up takes a little longer.
I've said several times that I don't mind paying the actual shipping cost, I would just like to get some time to put that money aside AND actually use the money I DO have right now for more miniatures. I would think that's a reasonable suggestion and what anyone would like.

No, I am saying to start saving today for the kickstarter III. You should easily have over a year to build up reserves for another kickstarter to get your miniatures and cover the shipping cost. Had someone started this when the last the kickstarter ended, they would be in a position to not have to worry about it. There is no need to wait until the kickstarter is announced to begin saving.

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Perhaps make use of the current low interest rates and credit... The difference in the usps shipping rate should be lower than any interest accrued over the intervening months. It's the same as owing reaper the shipping amount.

Anyhoo, the deal is the deal. It's all right for me up in Canada, might not be worth it for someone paying 20% VAT.

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Feros wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:

Sheesh, I've only gotten one set of my old Bones painted so far (Ebonwrath, so it's a big one and it's taking time because I'm doing a fancy base)....

This is tempting.

But I also need a new pair of running shoes. Gah.

Shoes-Schmooze. Shoes wear out. Art is forever! ;)

Well, Paizo's Going Going Gone Store Blog message nailed it for me. There were several maps/flip mats I've really wanted but delayed in getting, that are now getting low in stock. So my petty cash for the month has gone to buying those, so no Kickstarter for me.


I know it is too early to really tell, but right now it looks like I sadly won't be backing anywhere near as much as I did last time.

The core set is going to have significantly less, I had used the increased number before to justify my other purchases due to keeping the per miniature cost low.

Another issue is that most of the add ons at this point don't look too interesting to me. The only ones that are remotely interesting are the mouselings, rat pack (though the dwarf is really bugging me, looks like he is in a gimp outfit), and the dungeon dressings. I'd be interested in the hill giants if they weren't so big and didn't look like Mr. Hyde from League of Distinguished Gentleman. About half of the core expansion is interesting, but it is the other half that is making it not worth the expense (yet, we'll have to see what the next added part looks like).

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This release just hasn't grabbed me like the first lot.

Not as many instantly engaging minis, Narthrax, kraken, slimes and water look like decent bonus minis though.

The second $50 set just makes it seem more expensive.

In the first KS you got everything except add-ons for $90.

In the second one you get everything except add-ons for $150.

However, I think the main thing that puts me off is the huge pile of minis I already own.

I might consider signing up for Bones VI...


pres man wrote:
The core set is going to have significantly less, I had used the increased number before to justify my other purchases due to keeping the per miniature cost low.

There's 21 days left yet... and we're already at the point where Bones I was 3 days before it ended.

There's going to be plenty of minis added to the Core Set yet. Another thing to take into consideration is that several larger minis have been added to the Core Set this time. That'll skew the price per figure.

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