It's not currently on any schedule, in any event. Would folks like to see a giant campaign set mostly in and under and around Sandpoint?
Definitely. Ilvarandin (sp?) needs more love. :)
After reading the journal entries, I was wondering if this campaign will ever be published?Shadow Under Sandpoint, as ran, went from 1st level to about 10th level. I had other plans to go all the way to 20th, but I sort of abandoned those and did a different thing, sending the group to Osirion instead.
I could certainly see Shadow Under Sandpoint as an AP, though. Or perhaps as a single giant adventure or even as a boxed set. In any event, if something DOES go forward with it... I will be writing the whole thing—it's one of those things I don't really want to share with other authors.
It's not currently on any schedule, in any event. Would folks like to see a giant campaign set mostly in and under and around Sandpoint?
As a boxed set, it wouldn't just be a great campaign in and of itself, but would provide a wealth of potential support to existing AP's such as Rise of the Rune Lords, Jade Regent and Shattered Star. In our RotRL game, we expanded on many of the things hinted at in the AP's brief hinterlands blurbs and it went a long way towards grounding us in the region.
Sounds good!
What exactly would a "boxed set" entail? Like a book about Sandpoint, three adventure modules, maps and important minis?
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I would like to see these in a boxed set
-Shadows Under Sandpoint Megaadventure
-Guide to Sandpoint
-Pathfinder Pawns of NPCs/monster encountered.
--Anyones opinion on weather or not Bestiary entries should be repeated.
-A new, detailed map of Sandpoint.
-A fold out, laminated battle grid of the final battle area.
I'm asking a bit much. I'd settle for the first three.
$50 price point would be fair to me.
As mentioned in some other posts, ideally I would like for the adventure to reach the lightless depths Ilvarandin and cover lots of darklands adventuring in the higher levels.
But I would still buy this adventure even if it didn't cover that. Reading the blog about the players' adventures, it sounds like they had a blast just playing in Sandpoint, Magnimar and the Devil's Platter
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The original idea was that the second half of the campaign (aka levels 11 to 20) would take place more in the Darklands, spread between Umberweb and Ilvarandin and Denebrum, but I decided to not do that and instead shift the game to Osirion and run adventures I didn't have to design from the ground up to save time... especially since I had to split the group in half due to size, which meant twice the game prep.
But if I did this as a big giant print product, it would probably include all that Darklands stuff.
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I guess the best question is this: Can you legally do a kickstarter of a Sandpoint adventure? Would it have to be a Paizo kickstarter? It sounds like this is your own "Razor Coast".
Kickstarter is not the solution. It's not even necessary. If this happens, it'll be some sort of Paizo product.
The things keeping me from doing this are my own limited writing time resources, not anything else.
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I guess the best question is this: Can you legally do a kickstarter of a Sandpoint adventure? Would it have to be a Paizo kickstarter? It sounds like this is your own "Razor Coast".Kickstarter is not the solution. It's not even necessary. If this happens, it'll be some sort of Paizo product.
The things keeping me from doing this are my own limited writing time resources, not anything else.
Now we all know that's not true. You just need to cut back on the unimportant stuff. You know, like eating and sleeping. Coffee drip IV does the trick every time.
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Well, the tone of your post sounds like its something you're planning on doing, so just pull the trigger and do it already!It's something I'd LIKE to do. There are no plans to do this yet. I've got PLENTY of things I'd like to do, and not enough time to do them all, alas.
Install a power station and a writing desk at the toilet. Problem solved.
I guess the best question is this: Can you legally do a kickstarter of a Sandpoint adventure? Would it have to be a Paizo kickstarter? It sounds like this is your own "Razor Coast".Kickstarter is not the solution. It's not even necessary. If this happens, it'll be some sort of Paizo product.
The things keeping me from doing this are my own limited writing time resources, not anything else.
Kickstarter is the answer only if the problem can be resolved by throwing money at it.
The problem seems to be that you have a limited amount of time.
Ergo, we take the KS money to hire someone who can lighten your load for the time it takes to put out Shadows Under Sandpoint.
Obviously James needs either the TARDIS, or a hyperbolic time chamber.
There's no such thing as "too much Varisia".
I second this motion.
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I, for one, would love to see this sort of product see the light of day. I understand that you have other responsibilities which will limit your time for the project, but...
A James Jacobs AP? Fleshing out Sandpoint even further? I don't have non-expletive words to convey my endorsement for such a thing.
The original idea was that the second half of the campaign (aka levels 11 to 20) would take place more in the Darklands, spread between Umberweb and Ilvarandin and Denebrum, but I decided to not do that and instead shift the game to Osirion and run adventures I didn't have to design from the ground up to save time... especially since I had to split the group in half due to size, which meant twice the game prep.
But if I did this as a big giant print product, it would probably include all that Darklands stuff.
Umberweb, Ilvarandin and Denebrum! Very cool! Would love to see it.
Just out of curiosity, what high level modules did you run for your group in Osirion? (Gary Gygax's Necropolis?)
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The original idea was that the second half of the campaign (aka levels 11 to 20) would take place more in the Darklands, spread between Umberweb and Ilvarandin and Denebrum, but I decided to not do that and instead shift the game to Osirion and run adventures I didn't have to design from the ground up to save time... especially since I had to split the group in half due to size, which meant twice the game prep.
But if I did this as a big giant print product, it would probably include all that Darklands stuff.
Umberweb, Ilvarandin and Denebrum! Very cool! Would love to see it.
Just out of curiosity, what high level modules did you run for your group in Osirion? (Gary Gygax's Necropolis?)
For one group I'm running Necropolis (heavily modified).
For the other, a combination of a VERY heavily modified "The Lost City" for the 1st half and Maure Castle for the 2nd half.
Cool!
And I'm glad to hear that the campaigns are still going.
I also wanted to ask you were originally planning on writing the article about Ilvarandin in Lost Cities of Golarion? The reason I ask is that the section on running an Ilvarandin Campaign was pretty much identical to the plot of Shadow Under Sandpoint, so I imagined there was some collaboration between you and Russ Taylor.
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Cool!
And I'm glad to hear that the campaigns are still going.
I also wanted to ask you were originally planning on writing the article about Ilvarandin in Lost Cities of Golarion? The reason I ask is that the section on running an Ilvarandin Campaign was pretty much identical to the plot of Shadow Under Sandpoint, so I imagined there was some collaboration between you and Russ Taylor.
In fact... yeah. I was originally going to write that chapter, but I ended up not having time.
But then I wrote a SUPER DETAILED outline for Russ to get my thoughts onto paper for him to write. He did a fine job with it... but my outline was about 3,000 words long, for an article that was only 4,500 to 5,000 words. I probably should have just written it entirely.
After seeing the Pazuzu mini in the Lost Coast preview blog, I feel like an AP or adventure involving the Red Bishop and Pazuzu and Sandpoint is a must! pleaaase
If anyone's still counting up support for a Shadows Under Sandpoint AP or super-module or module series: yes +1!
me to, plus 3 votes for my wife and kids, they love Sandpoint:)
Me too, plus 7 other votes for my wife, daughter, 2 dogs and 3 cats. All big Sandpoint / Paizo / PF / AP fans (honestly, I'm almost certain they are). ;)
I would support that as well!
Ditto on the "get this done" vibe!
After reading the journal entries, I was wondering if this campaign will ever be published?Shadow Under Sandpoint, as ran, went from 1st level to about 10th level. I had other plans to go all the way to 20th, but I sort of abandoned those and did a different thing, sending the group to Osirion instead.
I could certainly see Shadow Under Sandpoint as an AP, though. Or perhaps as a single giant adventure or even as a boxed set. In any event, if something DOES go forward with it... I will be writing the whole thing—it's one of those things I don't really want to share with other authors.
It's not currently on any schedule, in any event. Would folks like to see a giant campaign set mostly in and under and around Sandpoint?
YES.
FWIW,
I would still very much like to see Shadows Under Sandpoint come out at some point.
I'm a big fan of most everything that JJ has written (and the APs he's designed).
That would be pretty cool. Also, the more we go down the Darklands, the more Lovecraftian goodness we could find. :)
I would absolutely love to see a Shadows Under Sandpoint / Ilvarandin Adventure Path!
Are you high James? Of course...*image deleted to prevent cardiac arrest* that's me, throwing panties at you just for suggesting the idea...
After hearing the idea of involving the darklands...umm yeah, the things I would do for you are probably felonious just to think about...
Glad to hear kickstarter isn't the plan, as I'm not personally fond of getting mixed up in all that. Also, I'd rather see this as a series of the longer adventures, rather than an AP. Make the adventures linked but able to stand alone and it sounds basically perfect. That said, I'd buy it in AP format...just would like to see you guys do something a little more experimental again.
this could be fun
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There were never really plans for this in the first place. It could certainly happen, though. I've run this adventure as a 1st to 10th level campaign for the office folks, and extending it out to a full AP length is certainly doable.
It's not on any schedule yet, though.
Cause I'm a busy guy.
James,
I'm curious, were you at all inspired by Night Below when planning the structure of this campaign.
James, I know you all have the next 6-8 AP's already planned and Shadows under Sandpoint is not on the list. I just want to say that it seems to me that when you guys create an AP you pick a location and or theme and then build a story around the history of the location in question and the chosen theme. And while this method does produce some very good AP's in fact most of Paizo's AP's are very good and well produced which is why I own them all :) The two best APs are Curse of the Crimson Throne and Jade Regent. Why, because they have fabulous stories they aren't just being thrown from one dungeon to the next. So that being said it seems to me that in order to create a truly great AP the story needs be developed first and then choose a location based on the story and if that means not going to some new or exotic locale everytime then so be it, story matters. We love Sandpoint and would love to see this as either an AP or supermodule it really sounds like what we need.:) I do love going to new locations and want to see that continued but please don't forget to return to Sandpoint from time to time we need that too.
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There were never really plans for this in the first place. It could certainly happen, though. I've run this adventure as a 1st to 10th level campaign for the office folks, and extending it out to a full AP length is certainly doable.
It's not on any schedule yet, though.
Cause I'm a busy guy.
Would you add it to the schedule if we asked really really nicely?
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James,
I'm curious, were you at all inspired by Night Below when planning the structure of this campaign.
Not directly, no. It was more inspired from stories of Mothman, the Jersey Devil, some other cryptozoological/UFO abduction stuff, and the writings of Clark Ashton Smith, Lovecraft, Blackwood, Chambers, and a few other authors.
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Oh... trust me, I do want to do something with this. It's not about my motivation. It's simply my lack of time. I'm REALLY heavily involved with Hell's Rebels. Once that's over by year's end... we'll see about Sandpoint.
BUT It really helps to motivate me to hear folks are eager to see it! :-)