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Regarding Half-Elves and their most significant racial ability Multitalented: I always thought that playing a Half-Elf meant you were more or less fated to be a multiclass character or, failing that, either an aquatic environment specialist, a dabbler in goofy light and darkness magic whom, in Golarion at least, a lot of folks would be tempted to kill on sight, or an arcane spellcaster with a particular proclivity for scrolls and staves - however, dicking around with the www.trovetokens.com character builder revealed a strange and remarkable possibility: CAN Half-Elves, in fact select as their two favored classes the same single class twice, and gain double the normal favored class bonus with every level? It seems like a racial ability that's good without being game-breaking, and it's a great new reason to play Half-Elves, once the most screwed of all standard races. Can this actually be done?
Multitalented: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes.
I doubt they meant you could choose the same class twice. The language seem exclusionary to me.
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Multitalented: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes.I doubt they meant you could choose the same class twice. The language seem exclusionary to me.
You'd think so (I did), but if the results of playing around with that character builder are to be believed, it says otherwise - and as the site says, Paizo has officially recognized its compatibility.
Which does not mean they have double checked everything in it and said it's 100% correct. It's a third party tool, and it's in beta no less, there are bound to be errors in it.
If in doubt the rules are what count.
Half-elf synthesists just became so much more beautiful...
Well, if that was correct :) sadly not.
Wow, a character builder with a bug in it. That's new.
I cast detect sarcasm.
I would think the intent is that you choose two separate classes.
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No, but what a H-Elf can do is take the Eclectic feat from APG. Since H-Elves are Humanoid(Elf, Human), they can qualify for feats with both Elf and Human prerequisites (Eclectic has Human prereq). By doing this, they can have a total of 3 favored classes.
Well THAT would be different. Anyways, thanks for the clear response, luckily I am not overly crushed, and thanks for taking me seriously enough to nominate the question for FAQhood, those of you who did - don't recall having that happen to me before! :D
No, but what a H-Elf can do is take the Eclectic feat from APG. Since H-Elves are Humanoid(Elf, Human), they can qualify for feats with both Elf and Human prerequisites (Eclectic has Human prereq). By doing this, they can have a total of 3 favored classes.
And then they double-down at a later point by taking Fast Learner. O.o
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if you're a half elf with the multitalanted racial trait then you qualify for this feat which give you all classes you take favored:
Multitalented Mastery
You are adept at numerous disciplines.
Prerequisites: Character level 5th, half-elf, multitalented racial trait.
Benefit: All of your classes are considered favored classes. You gain either +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever you take a level in any class. Apply these bonuses retroactively for all class levels that have not yet gained one of these bonuses.
Normal: Half-elves with the multitalented racial trait have two favored classes.GM: So, what's your character?
GM: Good lord... I'm almost afraid to ask but, which one is your favored class?
In just two days with the Advanced Class Guide playtest those 2nd levels of Fighter, Paladin and Samurai will be retrained ;-)
Multitalented Mastery claims that all of your classes are considered favored classes, does that over ride the usual rule about prestige classes not being a choice for favored class?
Multitalented racial trait says you pick one additional Favored Class in addition to the one you already have.
This doesn't mean you get extra Favored Class Bonuses added into your character as they level up, but only that they have extra options to choose from if they put levels in both Favored Classes.
If anything, a better question would be if you have two of the same type of Favored Class Bonuses in each Favored Class, and choose them as the Favored Class Bonus for each level, would they stack to determine the final results, or would they be calculated separately?
I don't think the language is completely exclusionary, but I don't it is intended for you to be able to pick the same class twice.
For example, you are handed a menu at a restaurant. It says "With your entree, you choose two side dishes." I doubt anyone would read that as disallowing you to take the same side dish twice.
To be completely exclusionary, it should say "Half elves choose two different favored classes...."
But even if read that you could pick the same class twice, I don't think you would get twice the benefit. You get the benefit for taking a level in the favored class, and you still only gained each level once.
I don't think the language is completely exclusionary, but I don't it is intended for you to be able to pick the same class twice.
For example, you are handed a menu at a restaurant. It says "With your entree, you choose two side dishes." I doubt anyone would read that as disallowing you to take the same side dish twice.
To be completely exclusionary, it should say "Half elves choose two different favored classes...."
But even if read that you could pick the same class twice, I don't think you would get twice the benefit. You get the benefit for taking a level in the favored class, and you still only gained each level once.
Regardless of it saying you can choose the same class twice, why would you? Does choosing the same class twice give you some extra benefit?
No, it doesn't. When you put levels into that class, you get 1 Skill Point, 1 Hit Point, or 1 Racial Bonus (dependant upon the race). Choosing that same class for your second Favored Class, you still only get 1 Skill Point, 1 Hit Point, or 1 Racial Bonus.
The numbers you get as you level regarding Favored Class don't increase at all, it simply allows you to utilize another formula (instead of +1 CMD to 2 set Combat Maneuvers, I can get +1 to my Caster Level when casting spells with the Darkness Descriptor). Instead of it being X for this level, it's Y.
So you just agree with my last paragraph, since that is what I said (and you even quoted)......?