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When they allowed it previously before the negative comments? umm... yeah.Microsoft apparently not happy and now censoring responses...
Disabling comments on your YouTube videos = censorship, now?
Do you believe they have an obligation to provide a place for the pitchforks-and-torches crowd to rant at them with all the civility of a 13 year-old CoD player?
I don't think they do. I think they saw the content of the comments and decided that they'd rather not support a page chock full of comments like that. YouTube videos and their comments are part of a company's "face". Their only real obligation is to make sure that they aren't putting the ugliness of the gaming community on display as something they support.
If you're a company that provides a service? Hell yes.
Analogy: A government does bad things and 'silences' those who raises voices against it. How would you feel about that?
I think Scott works for Microsoft.
I think Scott works for Microsoft.
He does not, or he'd likely be in violation of some major disclosure laws and/or company policy. He just likes something that really kind of sucks, which is his right. It's a shame, but it's his right.
EDIT: arg, iPad, stop doing that.
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When they allowed it previously before the negative comments? umm... yeah.Microsoft apparently not happy and now censoring responses...
Disabling comments on your YouTube videos = censorship, now?
Do you believe they have an obligation to provide a place for the pitchforks-and-torches crowd to rant at them with all the civility of a 13 year-old CoD player?
I don't think they do. I think they saw the content of the comments and decided that they'd rather not support a page chock full of comments like that. YouTube videos and their comments are part of a company's "face". Their only real obligation is to make sure that they aren't putting the ugliness of the gaming community on display as something they support.
How is that not censorship?
People are saying things they don't approve of, so they removed the ability to see the previous posts or make new ones.Your last paragraph is a justification for censorship. Microsoft has no obligation to give other people a platform of expression, but to deny people a platform because you don't like what's being expressed is censorship.
Overall, I think comments sections on the internet are overrated and should all be deleted anyways. 1/1500 posts is probably something useful or interesting anyways and most are just filled with hate and vitriol.
Microsoft apparently not happy and now censoring responses...
Disabling comments on your YouTube videos = censorship, now?
The rhetoric is getting kind of insane, guys.
Are you even listening to yourself here? Almost zealot-level.
We get it already, you like the Xbox One. A lot of us don't, but according to you we are doing it wrong. I say again, we get it. Thanks for the enlightenment.
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If i were microsoft i would disallow them, too. Their youtube is for promo. Trolls may go elsewhere to QQ. People have a hard time actimg like adults via the web.
I'd say the person (company) crawling into their shell, disconnecting their phone lines, not opening their mail, and then sticking their fingers in their ears going "Lalala we can't hear you!" because their super important announcement has received massive amounts of (justified) citicism are the ones that are having trouble acting like adults.
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If i were microsoft i would disallow them, too. Their youtube is for promo. Trolls may go elsewhere to QQ. People have a hard time actimg like adults via the web.I'd say the person (company) crawling into their shell, disconnecting their phone lines, not opening their mail, and then sticking their fingers in their ears going "Lalala we can't hear you!" because their super important announcement has received massive amounts of (justified) citicism are the ones that are having trouble acting like adults.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
If you're a company that provides a service? Hell yes.
This is a product that isn't even out yet, with insane levels of vitriol based in significant part on rumors, fear-mongering, and paranoia.
Analogy: A government does bad things and 'silences' those who raises voices against it. How would you feel about that?
Awful.
But Microsoft hasn't done anything bad. The worst possible thing you can accuse them of is offering you the choice of buying a console that you do not want to buy because of the policies implemented surrounding it.
The fact that you're even comparing the two is nuts.
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I don't honestly care about reselling. I by my games, and i prefer to own them. I am very proud of my game library.
I understand how other people might want to get rid of games they no longer care about. I usually give them away to cousins and such.
I tend to keep my games too. But the real advantage of selling used games isn't to the consumer who sells them back to GameStop, etc. They usually get very little money for their games. The advantage is for the person who BUYS used games. Wait a week or two after a game releases, and you can usually buy it for at most 75% of the MSRP, and often more like 50%.
Microsoft apparently not happy and now censoring responses...
Disabling comments on your YouTube videos = censorship, now?
The rhetoric is getting kind of insane, guys.
Are you even listening to yourself here? Almost zealot-level.
We get it already, you like the Xbox One. A lot of us don't, but according to you we are doing it wrong. I say again, we get it. Thanks for the enlightenment.
But that's just the thing. I don't have any particular affection for the Xbox One. Because we know very little about it at this point. We haven't even seen any games! As I've said repeatedly, in my opinion it's slightly ahead of the PS4 purely for its Kinect integration.
What I do have a strong opinion of is the insane, out-of-control rhetoric and hate-spamming that occurs whenever the internet collectively gets its panties in a bunch over something that may or may not happen. It's embarrassing, and it happens in a predictable pattern of behavior every time.
I think Scott works for Microsoft.
Do I get bonus points if I'm accused of being a paid shill twice in the same thread?
If i were microsoft i would disallow them, too. Their youtube is for promo. Trolls may go elsewhere to QQ. People have a hard time actimg like adults via the web.I'd say the person (company) crawling into their shell, disconnecting their phone lines, not opening their mail, and then sticking their fingers in their ears going "Lalala we can't hear you!" because their super important announcement has received massive amounts of (justified) citicism are the ones that are having trouble acting like adults.
Holy balls. Is this what you think publicly traded companies are concerned about? "Lalala we can't hear you!"?
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As I've said repeatedly, in my opinion it's slightly ahead of the PS4 purely for its Kinect integration.
Yeah, gotta love that Kinect integration. Especially the bit where if too many family members come into the living room while you are using it it turns itself off.
I tend to keep my games too. But the real advantage of selling used games isn't to the consumer who sells them back to GameStop, etc. They usually get very little money for their games. The advantage is for the person who BUYS used games. Wait a week or two after a game releases, and you can usually buy it for at most 75% of the MSRP, and often more like 50%.
Depends on where you buy them from.
Gamestop has used games for the low, low price of $55.
Holy balls. Is this what you think publicly traded companies are concerned about? "Lalala we can't hear you!"?If i were microsoft i would disallow them, too. Their youtube is for promo. Trolls may go elsewhere to QQ. People have a hard time actimg like adults via the web.I'd say the person (company) crawling into their shell, disconnecting their phone lines, not opening their mail, and then sticking their fingers in their ears going "Lalala we can't hear you!" because their super important announcement has received massive amounts of (justified) citicism are the ones that are having trouble acting like adults.
So how would you classify it exactly?
They've shut off comments on all of their videos pertaining to the XBone because, shock of all shocks, many people don't like what they're doing.
Instead of doing ANYTHING else, like coming up with some sort of statement defending their position, which would have been a much better move than doing exactly what I said, sticking their heads in the sand and pretending that just because they can't SEE the dissent it means it doesn't exist.
As I've said repeatedly, in my opinion it's slightly ahead of the PS4 purely for its Kinect integration.Yeah, gotta love that Kinect integration. Especially the bit where if too many family members come into the living room while you are using it it turns itself off.
Let's play a fun game!
It's called Confirmed Feature or Wild Speculation!
This is where we guess whether the things people are complaining about online are confirmed features, or wild speculation. Who wants to have the first go?
So how would you classify it exactly?
They've shut off comments on all of their videos pertaining to the XBone because, shock of all shocks, many people don't like what they're doing.
Instead of doing ANYTHING else, like coming up with some sort of statement defending their position, which would have been a much better move than doing exactly what I said, sticking their heads in the sand and pretending that just because they can't SEE the dissent it means it doesn't exist.
Microsoft isn't trying to stick its heads in the sand. Quite the contrary. Feedback is important, and they know this. What you are seeing is them controlling their public image. They're not trying to prevent themselves from seeing the dissent. They want that. They're trying to prevent that from becoming their public perception, because that's what companies do.
Also, it's brutally ironic that you would suggest that they make an effort to publicly defend their positions, because this thread tells us exactly how you would react. I can only imagine how much worse your reaction would be if that defense was coming from the company itself.
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Microsoft isn't trying to stick its heads in the sand. Quite the contrary. Feedback is important, and they know this. What you are seeing is them controlling their public image. They're not trying to prevent themselves from seeing the dissent. They want that. They're trying to prevent that from becoming their public perception, because that's what companies do.
They are not controlling their public image by disabling comments. In any way, shape, or form. Controlling their image would be listening to the feedback and coming up with some way to mitigate this disaster of a reveal in the eyes of the public, not shutting down comments and then pretending they don't exist.
That's "controlling their image" like sweeping dust under the rug is "cleaning the house".
Also, it's brutally ironic that you would suggest that they make an effort to publicly defend their positions, because this thread tells us exactly how you would react. I can only imagine how much worse your reaction would be if that defense was coming from the company itself.
It would likely be much better if they could come up with any sort of coherent argument for including these features, instead of repeatedly dodging the question by saying "it should be obvious" or "take a wild guess, I dare you lololol" like a certain person in this thread.
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So how would you classify it exactly?
They've shut off comments on all of their videos pertaining to the XBone because, shock of all shocks, many people don't like what they're doing.
Instead of doing ANYTHING else, like coming up with some sort of statement defending their position, which would have been a much better move than doing exactly what I said, sticking their heads in the sand and pretending that just because they can't SEE the dissent it means it doesn't exist.
Microsoft isn't trying to stick its heads in the sand. Quite the contrary. Feedback is important, and they know this. What you are seeing is them controlling their public image. They're not trying to prevent themselves from seeing the dissent. They want that. They're trying to prevent that from becoming their public perception, because that's what companies do.
Also, it's brutally ironic that you would suggest that they make an effort to publicly defend their positions, because this thread tells us exactly how you would react. I can only imagine how much worse your reaction would be if that defense was coming from the company itself.
A company does not have the right to control their public image. That's false advertizing. They can, however influence it by making public statements, and through the quality of the product that they sell.
I admit that the amount of rage targeted at them is insane considering it's for a console that has not yet been released. People don't even know what new IP titles will there be.But. And there is a big BUT. What we heard so far has got most people outraged. It happens when you mess with the way of doing things that they are used to.
And as for kinect, nobody is saying that it will be specifically used to monitor people (although i can see how government and law enforcement agencies could get a warrant to monitor a person through it). I'm a big one for privacy. I disconnect my webcam the moment i don't need it. Because i know that other people's webcams can be commandeered. I know how to do it.
Just a rumor at the moment, buuuuuuut...
With the way the reps have been beating around the bush, this wouldn't be a surprise. Either that or Sony's staff can't come to a consensus on it. In fact, I'd be shocked to discover Sony plans on allowing used game sales without any additional hurdles to clear.
They are not controlling their public image by disabling comments.
Yes, they are.
A company does not have the right to control their public image.
Oh good lord.
They are not controlling their public image by disabling comments.Yes, they are.
No, they aren't. If it has changed nothing about their image, except possibly exposed them to even further attack for shutting down any dissent before it can be seen by others.
Please, explain how they are controlling their image through this action, if you would.
However, I know you will not since you have not yet responded to ANY requests for an explanation of what you think, which I believe is because you HAVE no rational explanation for your opposition other than that you want to be contrary.
They are not controlling their public image by disabling comments.Yes, they are.No, they aren't. If it has changed nothing about their image, except possibly exposed them to even further attack for shutting down any dissent before it can be seen by others.
Please, explain how they are controlling their image through this action, if you would.
It's their own YouTube video channel. If you go looking for info on the Xbox One and pull up their official YouTube channel and are immediately bombarded by negative comment after negative comment, you don't think that might color your opinion of the Xbox One just a little?
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It's their own YouTube video channel. If you go looking for info on the Xbox One and pull up their official YouTube channel and are immediately bombarded by negative comment after negative comment, you don't think that might color your opinion of the Xbox One just a little?
Having the discussion suppressed will have the same effect as people seek out other avenues of discussion that aren't stifled. If you're looking for info on the product, do you not think that not being able to find any comments on it along with a helluva lot of dislikes would speak for itself in any case?
Having the discussion suppressed will have the same effect as people seek out other avenues of discussion that aren't stifled. If you're looking for info on the product, do you not think that not being able to find any comments on it along with a helluva lot of dislikes would speak for itself in any case?
No, I don't.
Good lord what?A company does not have the right to control their public image.Oh good lord.
A company absolutely has the right to try and control their public image.
I am having a really hard time believing some of the things that are being said in an attempt to justify the insane levels of hate in this thread.
Wait a week or two after a game releases, and you can usually buy it for at most 75% of the MSRP, and often more like 50%.
:) Not always. One of the X-Box pals of mine that I mentioned dropped by Saturday, we stopped at gamestop because he wanted one of the newer CoD titles (think it was Black Ops). Reg price was 54.99, Used was 49.99. For the extra $5, I'd still buy new :)
Wait a week or two after a game releases, and you can usually buy it for at most 75% of the MSRP, and often more like 50%.:) Not always. One of the X-Box pals of mine that I mentioned dropped by Saturday, we stopped at gamestop because he wanted one of the newer CoD titles (think it was Black Ops). Reg price was 54.99, Used was 49.99. For the extra $5, I'd still buy new :)
John Bain's thoughts on Xbone specs and the Xbone press thing in general. Yeah, this is pretty much where I stand at the moment (except the controller enthusiasm).
John Bain's thoughts on Xbone specs and the Xbone press thing in general. Yeah, this is pretty much where I stand at the moment (except the controller enthusiasm).
OMG. You linked a 40 minute video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEf5VFKplzw
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Truthfully, if it turns out that the camera must be active all the time, I definitely will not buy one either.
They have already confirmed that it will not need to be active all the time, and that the settings are user-modifiable. When it is used by an app/game, it will generate a permissions prompt similar to how the Google Play market works.
Well, this was fun and educational.
Looks like I'll finally be getting to play Uncharted!
Always on microphone and camera = no sale for me. Same reason I don't have a webcam.
This is the sort of person I expect to be averse to owning a Kinect. I think the reasoning is borderline paranoid, but I can at least appreciate the consistency.
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Yes. Piracy is already easy as pie IRL right now.No, it isn't.
It's easy for you. You're familiar with it. You know how it's done. You know what to avoid, you know where to go, you know what to do with it once you've got it.
But that's your perspective. It is not the perspective of someone who does not have the internet savvy or technical know-how to figure out how it works on their own.
Just the other day, I had a waitress at a bar give me the link to a torrent site on a napkin after I confessed I wasn't up to date on the latest season of Game of Thrones.
Scott's counter would be that the link is mostly likely a virus, for which no one has developed software to detect, isolate or remove from your PC.
Scott's counter would be that the link is mostly likely a virus, for which no one has developed software to detect, isolate or remove from your PC.
No, my counter would be that Benchak was passed a hand-written hyperlink by someone who was comfortable with torrents, and he was comfortable with torrents, and thus the whole thing (maybe) worked out nicely.
But, to other people, the idea of torrenting is unfamiliar, scary, or too technical to bother with. The entire generation of my own family above my own, for example, wouldn't have the first clue how to pirate a television show, but all of them are comfortable and familiar with Netflix/Amazon/Hulu.
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Scott's counter would be that the link is mostly likely a virus, for which no one has developed software to detect, isolate or remove from your PC.No, my counter would be that Benchak was passed a hand-written hyperlink by someone who was comfortable with torrents, and he was comfortable with torrents, and thus the whole thing (maybe) worked out nicely.
But, to other people, the idea of torrenting is unfamiliar, scary, or too technical to bother with. The entire generation of my own family above my own, for example, wouldn't have the first clue how to pirate a television show, but all of them are comfortable and familiar with Netflix/Amazon/Hulu.
Making assumptions, aren't you :D I only said I received a link, not that I used it.
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The entire generation of family above your own is (no offense) probably old enough that they still call every console a Nintendo, so the point is a bit moot there.
Making assumptions, aren't you :D I only said I received a link, not that I used it.Scott's counter would be that the link is mostly likely a virus, for which no one has developed software to detect, isolate or remove from your PC.No, my counter would be that Benchak was passed a hand-written hyperlink by someone who was comfortable with torrents, and he was comfortable with torrents, and thus the whole thing (maybe) worked out nicely.
But, to other people, the idea of torrenting is unfamiliar, scary, or too technical to bother with. The entire generation of my own family above my own, for example, wouldn't have the first clue how to pirate a television show, but all of them are comfortable and familiar with Netflix/Amazon/Hulu.
Thus the "(maybe)" I couched in there.
The entire generation of family above your own is (no offense) probably old enough that they still call every console a Nintendo, so the point is a bit moot there.
Is it? These are the people making purchasing decisions for their households, some of which contain teenaged children.