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"Bigger and Smaller Creatures: The figures on Table: Carrying Capacity are for Medium bipedal creatures. A larger bipedal creature can carry more weight depending on its size category, as follows: Large ×2, Huge ×4, Gargantuan ×8, Colossal ×16. A smaller creature can carry less weight depending on its size category, as follows: Small ×3/4, Tiny ×1/2, Diminutive ×1/4, Fine ×1/8."
"Bigger and Smaller Creatures: The figures on Table: Carrying Capacity are for Medium bipedal creatures. A larger bipedal creature can carry more weight depending on its size category, as follows: Large ×2, Huge ×4, Gargantuan ×8, Colossal ×16. A smaller creature can carry less weight depending on its size category, as follows: Small ×3/4, Tiny ×1/2, Diminutive ×1/4, Fine ×1/8."
The capacity numbers Redspyke quoted have the Tiny x1/2 rule already calculated in.
A Medium creature with a 6 Strength can carry twice as much as the values posted above.
So, by RAW, a Tiny owl can drag 150 lbs for 10 ft. as a full-round action.
Of course, the GM is allowed to penalize these values by half or more, chalking it up as bad circumstances for the owl.
And Familiars are Magical Beasts, not just normal animals...
Of course, the GM is allowed to penalize these values by half or more, chalking it up as bad circumstances for the owl.yes of course, but then its the DM being a dick, not rules.
It's in the rules under Lifting and Dragging.
"A character can generally push or drag along the ground as much as five times his maximum load. Favorable conditions can double these numbers, and bad circumstances can reduce them by half or more."
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Give that Owl Muleback Cords, Cast Ant Haul on it, and it has an equivalent Str 14 and triple capacity ... 87 lbs as a light load. If you are a gnome or a halfling or cast Reduce Person on yourself, your owl can pick you up and fly you around, easy peasy. Cheap flight at level 1.
Also, if you are small, Reduce Person on yourself and Enlarge Person shared with your familiar gives you a flying mount at level 1, for a minute at least.
It's the rules allowing the DM to be a dick :-)Of course, the GM is allowed to penalize these values by half or more, chalking it up as bad circumstances for the owl.yes of course, but then its the DM being a dick, not rules.
It's in the rules under Lifting and Dragging.
"A character can generally push or drag along the ground as much as five times his maximum load. Favorable conditions can double these numbers, and bad circumstances can reduce them by half or more."
LOL
Hey, you try to drag 150 lbs. with your mouth and no hands. See what a bad circumstance that is... and you have more than a 6 Strength.
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Two part:
“Flying mounts can’t fly in medium or heavy barding.” Core Rule Book, Page 162.
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“A medium or heavy load counts as medium or heavy armor for the purpose of abilities or skills that are restricted by armor. Carrying a light load does not encumber a character.” Core Rule Book, Page 169.
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Flying creatures cannot fly if over light encumbrance.
Two part:
“Flying mounts can’t fly in medium or heavy barding.” Core Rule Book, Page 162.
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“A medium or heavy load counts as medium or heavy armor for the purpose of abilities or skills that are restricted by armor. Carrying a light load does not encumber a character.” Core Rule Book, Page 169.
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Flying creatures cannot fly if over light encumbrance.
I may be confused, who are you responding to? I didn't know the thread was talking about the bird actually flying with 150 lbs in its beak...?
Check out the blue ringed octopus familiar, do the math on its carrying capacity, then read up on their real world equivalents. Its my personal pet peeve statblock. Its over ten times the size of its "real" counterpart, and can drag an unconcious teen into the water. Plus it somehow gets dex to CMB, despite not having agile manuvers (likely a misunderstanding of weapon finesse).
Note: as per the monster creation rules in the bestiary, almost every familiar is the equivalent of a steroid pumping weightlifter. Tiny creatures usually have a Str of 2, Diminutives have 1.
I really do love the Paizo team, they have my loyalty, but I find their monster designers sometimes overlook things that are pretty clearly spelled out in the monster designing chapter of the monster book. Kind of irksome.
I may be confused, who are you responding to? I didn't know the thread was talking about the bird actually flying with 150 lbs in its beak...?
So what are you worried about? you ARE using the rules.
It dragging 150 lbs 5 feet? (because it can't fly and is encumbered
And that 60 lbs? It can barely fly.
Maybe teh gnome wizard/druid can get carried by one :-P
At anything over light (10 lbs.) it cannot fly.
Now I must roll up a gnome wizard with a perch-helmet for his owl to fly him around by...
Now I must roll up a gnome wizard with a perch-helmet for his owl to fly him around by...
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^ Oh god, this.
My owl familiar carries my gnome wizard through the sky on a regular basis. Man, it's good to be small.
XP 135
N Tiny animal
Init +3; Senses low-light vision; Perception +10
DEFENSE
AC 15, touch 15, flat-footed 12 (+3 Dex, +2 size)
hp 4 (1d8)
Fort +2, Ref +5, Will +2
OFFENSE
Speed 10 ft., fly 60 ft. (average)
Melee 2 talons +5 (1d4–2)
Space 2-1/2 ft.; Reach 0 ft.
STATISTICS
Str 6, Dex 17, Con 11, Int 2, Wis 15, Cha 6
Base Atk +0; CMB +1; CMD 9
Feats Weapon Finesse
Skills Fly +7, Perception +10, Stealth +15; Racial Modifiers +4 Perception, +4 Stealth
ECOLOGY
Environment temperate forests
Organization solitary or pair
Treasure none
Owls are nocturnal, rodent-eating birds that make very little noise in flight.
An Owl Familiar has a Str. score of 6, and is tiny. PRD Link
The carry capacity for a medium sized creature with a Str of 6 20 lbs. or less for light encumbrance. Another PRD link
Bigger and Smaller Creatures: The figures on Table: Carrying Capacity are for Medium bipedal creatures. A larger bipedal creature can carry more weight depending on its size category, as follows: Large ×2, Huge ×4, Gargantuan ×8, Colossal ×16. A smaller creature can carry less weight depending on its size category, as follows: Small ×3/4, Tiny ×1/2, Diminutive ×1/4, Fine ×1/8.
Same Link as above.
Thus, a tiny sized creature has a carry capacity of 10 lbs. at light encumbrance.
The minimum weight any PC can be is 27 Lbs. for a Female Halfling (again, same link as above)
Thus, and owl cannot carry any PC, unless you have somehow doubled it carry capacity.
For those who follow JJ as opposed to PFS, This Link is what you should read.
A flying creature CANNOT fly if over light encumbrance.
House rule differently if you like. But alas, by the rules, and JJ, and PFS, it cannot be done without some serious magic behind the Owl, the Caster, or both.
Reduce person.
Sadly, the Mount v. Rider size rule only appears briefly in the Beast Rider Archetype:
"The animal chosen as a mount must be large enough to carry the beast rider (Medium or Large for a Small character; Large or Huge for a Medium character)."
The logical lesson is: You have to be at least one size category smaller than your desired mount.
So, you need Enlarge on the Tiny sized Owl to make it Small, and a Reduce Person on self to make yourself tiny. Two first level spells for 1 minute/level There are probably better uses of spell slots, but certainly doable.
I'm not riding my owl. My owl is carrying me, like, in its talons.
I'm not riding my owl. My owl is carrying me, like, in its talons.
Perfectly logical.