
Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus |

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So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?
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Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?

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Part 1:
So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?
Its like knowing another persons language and listening in on their conversations. A Man had learned the Aboriginal Australian's languages and worked as a Government official in their community so he would listen to all their arguments and private conversations and when he found them breaking the law - turn them in. Basically they got wind of his uncanny knowledge of how to speak their language and knowledge of their inner most secrets and had him removed from the community.

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1) I don't think you can, if you hold the moral position that one's thoughts are private and not subject to disclosure without one actively allowing it.
2) I would not let people know, partly as a means of self-preservation (every intelligence agency on the planet would either want you in their pocket or locked up) and partly due to the change in attitude people would have with you. It would basically be the same as telling folks "hey, by the way, I bugged your house."
And yeah, there would be much more card playing and trips to Vegas in my life.

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Part 1:
So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?
It's not like this idea isn't explored in every teen show on the planet....

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus |

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:It's not like this idea isn't explored in every teen show on the planet....Part 1:
So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?
I can see that with normal super powers of a number of variety, but this one in particular sort of makes itself morally useless. Even Vegas use would be technically steeling.

Hitdice |

Part 1:
So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?
This brings to mind the Zhodani Consulate, a society ruled by a psionic noble class, from Traveller. The Imperium (baseline human culture) was terrified by the zhodani, particularly their dreaded thought police; the zhodani were of the opinion that, if a telepath knows you're unhappy and does psychic surgery to make you feel better, that's just really effective psycho-therapy.

Hitdice |

[1) I don't think you can, if you hold the moral position that one's thoughts are private and not subject to disclosure without one actively allowing it.
1)Does this mean that accounting for people's moods based on people's facial expressions, body language, is immoral? If said mind reading powers are "always on" wouldn't not accounting for other people's point of view be inconsiderate at the very least?

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus |

zylphryx wrote:[1) I don't think you can, if you hold the moral position that one's thoughts are private and not subject to disclosure without one actively allowing it.1)Does this mean that accounting for people's moods based on people's facial expressions, body language, is immoral? If said mind reading powers are "always on" wouldn't not accounting for other people's point of view be inconsiderate at the very least?
I specifically stated that it takes a good deal of effort. They are not always on.

Hitdice |

Hitdice wrote:I specifically stated that it takes a good deal of effort. They are not always on.zylphryx wrote:[1) I don't think you can, if you hold the moral position that one's thoughts are private and not subject to disclosure without one actively allowing it.1)Does this mean that accounting for people's moods based on people's facial expressions, body language, is immoral? If said mind reading powers are "always on" wouldn't not accounting for other people's point of view be inconsiderate at the very least?
Walking on a tightrope takes a good deal of effort, but my sense of balance is always on, if you see what I mean. Learning to walk as an infant takes time effort and training, but it's easy when you know how. I'm not looking to quibble with you, but you didn't say a good deal of effort, you just said effort.
Talking about the morality of the situation, I think bringing real world morality to science-fiction questions is counter-productive.

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I thought about this long and hard as a young communist and I came to the conclusion that if I ever actually developed telepathic abilities (or any mutant power for that matter), I would be a Nietzschean superman and your pathetic herd morality would no longer apply to me.
Until then,
Vive le Galt!
I thought the communist way was to take power over the herd any time you can? well every country so far at least

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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:This brings to mind the Zhodani Consulate, a society ruled by a psionic noble class, from Traveller. The Imperium (baseline human culture) was terrified by the zhodani, particularly their dreaded thought police; the zhodani were of the opinion that, if a telepath knows you're unhappy and does psychic surgery to make you feel better, that's just really effective psycho-therapy.Part 1:
So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?
Or it's ruthless thought suppression like Issac Asimov's infamouse mutant, The Mule from the Foundation/Empire stories. a being with the power to rewrite your whole emotional makeup. (Yes this IS the Empire you love and are loyal to now that you've been fixed.) The conversation of the converted Han Pritcher to his former teammates is especially chilly for all it's sincere friendship. So yeah, it's not like the Imperium did not have good reason to fear psionic powers, although ultimately it fell to it's own internal vulnerability of being based on a personal monarchy.
If you wanted a guide on the ethical use of telepathic powers, one could go by the X-Men's Professor Xavier, even if he himself is not a perfect follower of his own code.
Part 2: Someone once said, If I knew the existence of Superman, the first thing on my agenda would be the synthesis of krytponite. Mind control is one of the most effective tools of tyranny. Can anyone trust someone else to use them or refrain from doing so? There's no good reason to go public with such powers, and plenty of reasons not to.

Irontruth |

Irontruth wrote:which one? Apocalyps , or the other one?I only use my power to cheat at Werewolf.
(srsly, I became addicted to that game at GenCon)
It's a social game, similar to Resistance or Mafia. Basically poker, without the chips or cards (well one, to secretly inform you which team you are on).

Freehold DM |

Freehold DM wrote:It's a social game, similar to Resistance or Mafia. Basically poker, without the chips or cards (well one, to secretly inform you which team you are on).Irontruth wrote:which one? Apocalyps , or the other one?I only use my power to cheat at Werewolf.
(srsly, I became addicted to that game at GenCon)
Ahh! One of my best friendspplays that game, he loves it.

Ambrosia Slaad |
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So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?It's called Facebook. It's less awesome than you might think, especially over the last 6-8 months. :/
I'd probably go mad after a week or so.
Yep.