Morality of Mind Reading


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Part 1:
So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?

Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?


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I would only use my powers for good.

My own good.


I'd probably go mad after a week or so.

The Exchange

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Part 1:

So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?

Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?

Its like knowing another persons language and listening in on their conversations. A Man had learned the Aboriginal Australian's languages and worked as a Government official in their community so he would listen to all their arguments and private conversations and when he found them breaking the law - turn them in. Basically they got wind of his uncanny knowledge of how to speak their language and knowledge of their inner most secrets and had him removed from the community.

Scarab Sages

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Lt. Ken McPherson: What if he can read our minds?

Eddie: He'll be real mad when he gets to me.


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I'd play way more poker, and never tell nobody.

The Exchange

i see no way it could really be moral but at least better than mind control


No... mind control at least would not force you to stop thinking of resisting.

Sovereign Court

1) I don't think you can, if you hold the moral position that one's thoughts are private and not subject to disclosure without one actively allowing it.

2) I would not let people know, partly as a means of self-preservation (every intelligence agency on the planet would either want you in their pocket or locked up) and partly due to the change in attitude people would have with you. It would basically be the same as telling folks "hey, by the way, I bugged your house."

And yeah, there would be much more card playing and trips to Vegas in my life.

Grand Lodge

Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Part 1:

So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?

Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?

It's not like this idea isn't explored in every teen show on the planet....


LazarX wrote:
Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Part 1:

So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?

Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?

It's not like this idea isn't explored in every teen show on the planet....

I can see that with normal super powers of a number of variety, but this one in particular sort of makes itself morally useless. Even Vegas use would be technically steeling.


Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Part 1:

So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?

Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?

This brings to mind the Zhodani Consulate, a society ruled by a psionic noble class, from Traveller. The Imperium (baseline human culture) was terrified by the zhodani, particularly their dreaded thought police; the zhodani were of the opinion that, if a telepath knows you're unhappy and does psychic surgery to make you feel better, that's just really effective psycho-therapy.


zylphryx wrote:
[1) I don't think you can, if you hold the moral position that one's thoughts are private and not subject to disclosure without one actively allowing it.

1)Does this mean that accounting for people's moods based on people's facial expressions, body language, is immoral? If said mind reading powers are "always on" wouldn't not accounting for other people's point of view be inconsiderate at the very least?


Hitdice wrote:
zylphryx wrote:
[1) I don't think you can, if you hold the moral position that one's thoughts are private and not subject to disclosure without one actively allowing it.
1)Does this mean that accounting for people's moods based on people's facial expressions, body language, is immoral? If said mind reading powers are "always on" wouldn't not accounting for other people's point of view be inconsiderate at the very least?

I specifically stated that it takes a good deal of effort. They are not always on.


I don't think a person on Earth could say they would not use such a power, if they had it. A considerate person would be extremely careful that secrets divined this way were treated as secrets... But the understanding given would be tremendous.

Assistant Software Developer

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Dying Inside by Robert Silverberg addresses this somewhat.


Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
zylphryx wrote:
[1) I don't think you can, if you hold the moral position that one's thoughts are private and not subject to disclosure without one actively allowing it.
1)Does this mean that accounting for people's moods based on people's facial expressions, body language, is immoral? If said mind reading powers are "always on" wouldn't not accounting for other people's point of view be inconsiderate at the very least?
I specifically stated that it takes a good deal of effort. They are not always on.

Walking on a tightrope takes a good deal of effort, but my sense of balance is always on, if you see what I mean. Learning to walk as an infant takes time effort and training, but it's easy when you know how. I'm not looking to quibble with you, but you didn't say a good deal of effort, you just said effort.

Talking about the morality of the situation, I think bringing real world morality to science-fiction questions is counter-productive.

The Exchange

If law is absolute, No one has the right to secrets - not even those who govern.
If the Law is not Absolute then the system is corrupt and flawed.


I thought about this long and hard as a young communist and I came to the conclusion that if I ever actually developed telepathic abilities (or any mutant power for that matter), I would be a Nietzschean superman and your pathetic herd morality would no longer apply to me.

Until then,

Vive le Galt!

The Exchange

Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I thought about this long and hard as a young communist and I came to the conclusion that if I ever actually developed telepathic abilities (or any mutant power for that matter), I would be a Nietzschean superman and your pathetic herd morality would no longer apply to me.

Until then,

Vive le Galt!

I thought the communist way was to take power over the herd any time you can? well every country so far at least


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[Concentrates on Citizen R. having a heart attack]


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And then the red menace is foiled by a guy who tells everybody exactly what he thinks all the time and doesn't give a f!!%.


I only use my power to cheat at Werewolf.

(srsly, I became addicted to that game at GenCon)


Woah. No new posts from Citizen R. over the course of the night? Maybe I do have mutant powers.

[Puts fingers at temples]

Spanky, are you, by any chance, thinking of bacon?

The Exchange

Alfred Bester would like to discuss your Future in the PsiCorp.
"You don't have one." Airlock pops open flushing you into hyperspace...


Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!


Irontruth wrote:

I only use my power to cheat at Werewolf.

(srsly, I became addicted to that game at GenCon)

which one? Apocalyps , or the other one?

Grand Lodge

Hitdice wrote:
Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:

Part 1:

So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?

Part 2:
Including part 1; say you were the only one who could really do this, would you be afraid to let others know? Would this effect your decision/s and choices of part 1?

This brings to mind the Zhodani Consulate, a society ruled by a psionic noble class, from Traveller. The Imperium (baseline human culture) was terrified by the zhodani, particularly their dreaded thought police; the zhodani were of the opinion that, if a telepath knows you're unhappy and does psychic surgery to make you feel better, that's just really effective psycho-therapy.

Or it's ruthless thought suppression like Issac Asimov's infamouse mutant, The Mule from the Foundation/Empire stories. a being with the power to rewrite your whole emotional makeup. (Yes this IS the Empire you love and are loyal to now that you've been fixed.) The conversation of the converted Han Pritcher to his former teammates is especially chilly for all it's sincere friendship. So yeah, it's not like the Imperium did not have good reason to fear psionic powers, although ultimately it fell to it's own internal vulnerability of being based on a personal monarchy.

If you wanted a guide on the ethical use of telepathic powers, one could go by the X-Men's Professor Xavier, even if he himself is not a perfect follower of his own code.

Part 2: Someone once said, If I knew the existence of Superman, the first thing on my agenda would be the synthesis of krytponite. Mind control is one of the most effective tools of tyranny. Can anyone trust someone else to use them or refrain from doing so? There's no good reason to go public with such powers, and plenty of reasons not to.


Freehold DM wrote:
Irontruth wrote:

I only use my power to cheat at Werewolf.

(srsly, I became addicted to that game at GenCon)

which one? Apocalyps , or the other one?

It's a social game, similar to Resistance or Mafia. Basically poker, without the chips or cards (well one, to secretly inform you which team you are on).

The Exchange

Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Woah. No new posts from Citizen R. over the course of the night? Maybe I do have mutant powers.

[Puts fingers at temples]

Spanky, are you, by any chance, thinking of bacon?

Nope, just working overnight


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[Concentrates harder]


Irontruth wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Irontruth wrote:

I only use my power to cheat at Werewolf.

(srsly, I became addicted to that game at GenCon)

which one? Apocalyps , or the other one?
It's a social game, similar to Resistance or Mafia. Basically poker, without the chips or cards (well one, to secretly inform you which team you are on).

Ahh! One of my best friendspplays that game, he loves it.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
[Concentrates harder]

grab communist literature, starts passing it out on street corners

[monotone]Organize the unorganized. All hail the Anklebiter. [/monotone]


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All hail Leafar!


Hey gobbo, what do you think you're doing? Lay off the forumites here. Go back to bubbling and drug fueled orgies, you hear?


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[Refocuses concentration to Madame Sisyl's buttons, clasps and zippers]

Liberty's Edge

I'd totally use the power! I'm serious. Just a little bit of mind-reading could solve half my problems.


HEY!

*watches her pants fall to the ground after all the sixty-two buckles get undone in an instant*

*stares daggers at Doodlebug as she starts putting her pants on again*

Hmph!


Sissyl wrote:

HEY!

*watches her pants fall to the ground after all the sixty-two buckles get undone in an instant*

*stares daggers at Doodlebug as she starts putting her pants on again*

Hmph!

This is awesome.


I'd tell no one and rent myself as a strategy consultant. Kind of like the Menatlist, only it's an actual super power as opposed to an apparent one.


Sissyl wrote:

HEY!

*watches her pants fall to the ground after all the sixty-two buckles get undone in an instant*

*stares daggers at Doodlebug as she starts putting her pants on again*

Hmph!

Huzzah!


I'd use it to get laid.

Assistant Software Developer

meatrace wrote:
I'd use it to get laid.

This also comes up in Dying Inside.


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Captain Sir Hexen Ineptus wrote:
So lets say you can with effort, time, and training pick up on exactly what people are thinking. How could you morally use such ability?
It's called Facebook. It's less awesome than you might think, especially over the last 6-8 months. :/
Freehold DM wrote:
I'd probably go mad after a week or so.

Yep.


ok its not telepathy but this reminds me of the old Scott Baio movie Zapped! (umm. guess that reveals my place in the generation gap a bit, huh?)

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