Drink something that isn't alcohol, but is meant to represent alcohol?
Kind of like drinking unfermented grape juice rather than wine.
There probly wouldnt be any rules, as far as i know the idea that stuff you eat can be harmful to babies is really a modern thing. though i may be wrong on that.
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Be European?
In a Medieval world, water is more dangerous than booze (microbes can't live in alcohol!)
Anyway, it's nothing a daily Heroes' Feast (or Neutralize Poison if you're on a budget) can't handle :)
1: I don't see anything that requires worshipers to drink. In fact, freedom is the linchpin of Cayden's religion, so worshipers are free to worship in their own fashion.
B: What Mojorat said. There are probably no scientific studies proving a link between alcohol consumption and birth defects in Golarion.
I'd ignore it as a metagame worry, unless your GM is liable to be weird about it.
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There probly wouldnt be any rules, as far as i know the idea that stuff you eat can be harmful to babies is really a modern thing. though i may be wrong on that.
And the party's apparently insane "Her Dockter" Dwarf alch has already injected her with Cayden knows what several times already.
I fear for the baby and what it will look like.
It's not mine baby; I was nowhere NEAR Varisia a few months ago and besides I wear this special cod piece...
But seriously; isn't this church Chaotic Good? Rules? The rule is: drink near-ale, use A LOT of magic, and stay off your feet for the last trimester.
But SERIOUSLY seriously: your character can't be the FIRST lady of the clergy to have this problem. As a result I'd work w/your GM to create a ritual that sanctifies certain indulgences. Also in the first trimester your character should experience mild lethargy; morning sickness is also common. By the second trimester fatigue should be a concern and A LOT of hormones are flying so its a crap-shoot what your bonus/negative to diplomacy is going to be. In the third is when you should ACTUALLY begin to see changes in your melee skills.
The church "should" be very understanding and forgiving (per alignment and perceived frequency of unplanned pregnancies in a faith revolving around drinking and cavorting). I would assume that, if you're not off adventuring, there would be significant leniencies toward your character's worship practices.
Even in ye olden times people were well aware of how alcohol effected people. It would be quite natural for such people, even then, to not want a pregnant women drinking.
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It's not mine baby; I was nowhere NEAR Varisia a few months ago and besides I wear this special cod piece...
But seriously; isn't this church Chaotic Good? Rules? The rule is: drink near-ale, use A LOT of magic, and stay off your feet for the last trimester.
But SERIOUSLY seriously: your character can't be the FIRST lady of the clergy to have this problem. As a result I'd work w/your GM to create a ritual that sanctifies certain indulgences. Also in the first trimester your character should experience mild lethargy; morning sickness is also common. By the second trimester fatigue should be a concern and A LOT of hormones are flying so its a crap-shoot what your bonus/negative to diplomacy is going to be. In the third is when you should ACTUALLY begin to see changes in your melee skills.
The church "should" be very understanding and forgiving (per alignment and perceived frequency of unplanned pregnancies in a faith revolving around drinking and cavorting). I would assume that, if you're not off adventuring, there would be significant leniencies toward your character's worship practices.
1) She's been in a realtionship for six years, so it's def not yours.
2) It's her dead lover's3) I'm on a freaking pirate ship
Oh man that sucks. I had a lady character, married the duke's son as a closer to the low-levels. In the break between low and mid level sessions, my GM asked me if I wanted to be pregnant to start the next part of the campaign but I chickened out and said no. I knew this particular guy's penchant for dark and gritty and he didn't disappoint; in the first session I was ostracised from my family and my new husband went off to war and was killed. I was now penniless, alone and back to adventuring.
And a PIRATE SHIP? That SUUUCCCKKKSSS! At least almost every poster has agreed that the clergy will go light on you.
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Fetal alcohol syndrome wasn't really diagnosed until 1899 and is one of those spectrum disorders making it hard to diagnose. And with Cayden Cailean being the patron of both alcohol and orphans? The easiest fix is to say that with his ascension, one of his first miracles was that it was no longer a problem.
Or if you want a theological reason that would fly with Cayden Cailean but not overturn a modern understanding of medicine, say that Cayden Cailean, being chaotic good and all, doesn't approve of getting people drunk against their will. Since a pregnant woman shares what she drinks with her baby, this would apply to her from the moment she knows she's pregnant until the child is weaned.
Once the child is weaned, I'd expect a female Caydenite would celebrate with a wild and legendary bender.
Drink Now, Remove Disease Later.
Compulsive drinking alcoholic Caydenites are becoming as hackneyed as Scottish Dwarves.
Not every Caydenite is a lush.
Copied this from the Pathfinder Wikia:
"Despite the church's promotion of drink, the faithful draw a line between drinking for merriment and drinking to excess. The latter is seen as the abuse of one of the deity's favored things, and as such is frowned upon. Similarly, although the faithful of Cayden Cailean are known to actively seek out danger and adventure, they recognize the need to withdraw when a situation turns sour. Stupidity does not equal bravery, and bravery should never be sought at the bottom of a keg."
Assuming that they know that drinking during pregnancy causes birth defects, which I reckon somebody could've figured out communicating with their deity through spells, I'd think that they'd abstain from drinking during pregnancy, so as not to step over the "line between drinking for merriment and drinking to excess."
Never said she was a lush or hard drinking.
Sorry it was my general sentiment as opposed to a directed snark :)
I think you have a few options, up to and including the character not drinking.
There probly wouldnt be any rules, as far as i know the idea that stuff you eat can be harmful to babies is really a modern thing. though i may be wrong on that.And the party's apparently insane "Her Dockter" Dwarf alch has already injected her with Cayden knows what several times already.
I fear for the baby and what it will look like.
Have it come out with the Half-Celestial template.
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Have it come out with the Half-Celestial template.There probly wouldnt be any rules, as far as i know the idea that stuff you eat can be harmful to babies is really a modern thing. though i may be wrong on that.And the party's apparently insane "Her Dockter" Dwarf alch has already injected her with Cayden knows what several times already.
I fear for the baby and what it will look like.
Funny thing is, she's already an Aasimar, and the father was half dragon half elf.
Kids are gonna look weird.
Whoa, when did we enter Munchkinland? Obviously the baby will be a half elf who will eventually take levels in crossblooded sorceror (Draconic/Celestial).
Yih. I get mad elf action. They like my bowl cut.
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The more stuff I read on Cayden, Cailean, the less he looks like a god of alcohol and the more he looks like a god of drinking responsibly.
and......frrrrrrrreeeeeeedom!
It almost feels like he started out to be a Jeff Spicoli-type, then he got backpedaled into the god of designated drivers.
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Oh man. I can't believe no one's said this yet. I have no choice:
"Bottoms up, lass. You're drinking for two now!"
How is my character going to handle this?
Help on ideas, and what the rules for the church would be in the case of a woman carrying a baby.
Well you could go the high fantasy way and assume that the baby is blessed by the gods so that it doesn't hurt them. Maybe the boozer god likes boozer babies. I mean, he's already a pretty poor role-model. Why not pass out the booze to 'em as they're young? I mean their parents are going to be alcoholics, so their kids are more likely to be, so why not get it over and done with? Maybe those blessed by the god -- who basically teaches kids everywhere to booze it up and not think about the consequences and everything turns out great -- pops out of the womb with a bottle of Jack Daniels.
Then again, the mother is worshipping a guy whose entire legacy is getting stupid drunk and doing something stupid and then becoming an immortal being by apparent luck. Doesn't sound like the type to actually care if her baby comes out with only 2.5 brain cells intact. Heck, if the baby is permanently inebriated or otherwise has his senses damaged beyond repair, he might become the next god; and then stupid people can worship her new god-baby.
Then again, the mother is worshipping a guy whose entire legacy is getting stupid drunk and doing something stupid and then becoming an immortal being by apparent luck. Doesn't sound like the type to actually care if her baby comes out with only 2.5 brain cells intact. Heck, if the baby is permanently inebriated or otherwise has his senses damaged beyond repair, he might become the next god; and then stupid people can worship her new god-baby.
Oh man. I just pictured a Cayden-worshipping temple where children born in that manner are sheltered and cared for.
Oh, oh, a Cayden-worshipping BREWERY!
Ewwwwwwww.
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Then again, the mother is worshipping a guy whose entire legacy is getting stupid drunk and doing something stupid and then becoming an immortal being by apparent luck. Doesn't sound like the type to actually care if her baby comes out with only 2.5 brain cells intact. Heck, if the baby is permanently inebriated or otherwise has his senses damaged beyond repair, he might become the next god; and then stupid people can worship her new god-baby.
Actully, Cayden Cailean has a soft spot for kids and often the church runs orphanages.
Caydenite mother on a pirate ship...baby probably going to be born on said ship...please tell me she's naming the kid Morgan (it's even a unisex name!) <_<
Personally, I'd just go with "it's safer than the water and Cayden will protect the kid," but that's me.
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Well you could go the high fantasy way and assume that the baby is blessed by the gods so that it doesn't hurt them.How is my character going to handle this?
Help on ideas, and what the rules for the church would be in the case of a woman carrying a baby.
Or that Cayden's blessed brew doesnt have a negative effect on the baby...
given the state of medical knowledge at the time, small beer (light beer) is probably an acceptable substitute for the real thing.
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Or alchemy...Alchemist's Kindness already exists to counter hangovers, so I'm sure one could probably chug some sort of other alchemical item to decrease the damage the alcohol does to the mother and thus the child, maybe an antitoxin or something. I dunno. Caydean Cailien is all about freedom, yes, but he's not a total idiot. He wouldn't begrudge his worshippers for not drinking when drinking would be a terrible idea.
Be European?
What does this mean (not taking offense just wanting to know)?
Are we Europeans known as consumate drinkers in the US of A?
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Be European?What does this mean (not taking offense just wanting to know)?
Are we Europeans known as consumate drinkers in the US of A?
I'm also curious, although I interpreted it as Sean implying that europeans were, in general, temperate drinkers. Most Italians I know are.
Europe does however include Scotland and the whole of Scandinavia :)
Scandinavians are reluctant drinkers because alcohol is very very expensive there. It's just when they travel...
The scottish are not really drinkers because Whisky is not really alcohol but rather a way of life ;-)
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Be European?What does this mean (not taking offense just wanting to know)?
Are we Europeans known as consumate drinkers in the US of A?
I'm also curious, although I interpreted it as Sean implying that europeans were, in general, temperate drinkers. Most Italians I know are.
Europe does however include Scotland and the whole of Scandinavia :)
*cough* Poland *cough* Russia *cough*
Has anyone suggested Polypurpose Panacea? It has an "Intoxication" effect that can make you feel as though you'd had a few drinks, and specifically calls out that there aren't any side effects from use. I'm sure that Cayden's Alchemists(with the infusion discovery, of course) would be more than happy to brew some of this up for pregnant worshipers.
Of course, but still most do the America-Europe-Russia distinction meaning Russia is not part of Europe but rather an entity all by itself.
I think Russia has by far the highest alcohol abuse rate of all countries. An estimated 52% death by alcoholism rate of male siberians speaks for itself.
Never said she was a lush or hard drinking.Compulsive drinking alcoholic Caydenites are becoming as hackneyed as Scottish Dwarves.
Not every Caydenite is a lush.
There is always the rum^^ Probably use lot's of "purify food and drink" and stay out of the rigging in the last trimester