Most damage output possibile - Theorycraft help me build the best damage-dealing fighter (archer or melee)


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So, i'm actually arguing with someone about the fact that a eidolon is way better than a fighter in damage dealing. (he's the eidolon side)

At this point i'll really need a warrior build, not a build to play but just to demostrate the highster level of pure damage the class can do... the problem is i'm not a very good melee optimizer.

So i ask for help here, please can someone post me a "Pure damage" build for a warrior, archer or melee?

Thanks in advice for any help.


take all archery feats and all feats that increase archery damage. Spend money for all damage increasing items (DEX, STR, Gloves of Dueling, Bracers of Archery, Bow, etc.)

Damage still wont beat the eidolon when it comes to pure DPR (without DR).


There is actually a thread on this, and i think the eidolon came out on top, but there is a difference between a build that can win a DPR contest, and one that works in an actual game.

link to thread


Here best I can think of on top of my head

Two Handed Fighter

Human

Str 20
Dex 10
Con 13
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 10

Feats
1 Exotic Weapon Proficiency Fauchard
1 Weapon Focus Fauchard
1 Power Attack
2 Improved Unarmed Strike
3 Iron Will
4 Weapon Specialization Fauchard
5 Improved Iron Will
6 Hammer The Gap
7 Tiger Claws
8 Greater Weapon Focus Fauchard
9 Improved Critical (Fauchard)
10 Tiger Pounce
11 Bleeding Critical
12 Greater Weapon Specialization Fauchard
13 Penetrating Strike
14 Critical Mastery
15 Staggering Critical
16 Greater Penetrating Strike
17 Stunning Critical
18 Vital Strike
19 Improved Vital Strike
20 Greater Vital Strike

+5 Str (levels)

Items
Gloves of Dueling
Boots of Speed
Belt of Physical Might +6
Manual of Strength +5

Str 36 13

W/o Boots

BAB 20 + 13 STR + 4 Weap Train + 2 Great Weap Foc + 5 Weapon + 2 Gloves of Dueling

46/41/36/31/26 1d10+(4 special + 4 train + 2 Gloves + 26 Strength + 24 Power Attack + 5 weapon)

15-20/x3

or 1d10 + 65 or 70.5 average damage. Good target Ac is 40.

.95 + .95 + .85 + .6 + .35= 3.7* 70.5 * 1.3 (crit Mod?) =339.105

Someone should check this because I'm not sure on the crit mods. as I understand it, its 1+(chance to crit * (Crit Mod-1))

W/ Boots

47/47/42/37/32/27

.95 + .95 + .95 + .90 + .65 + .4 = 4.8 * 70.5 * 1.3 = 439.92

Anyways I'm hitting the hay someone check for math and possible improvements


outta curiosity btw I'm reading styles and nowhere does it say you actually have to be fighting unarmed which seems a little odd. However because of this little "fun" it allows the fighter to enter tiger stance and take his power attack negative to AC

the eidolon, if it wants to compete in damage, must use dragon style and thus take further penalties to its attack bonus to keep up power attack over the fighter. Huh, learn something new every day.


Why did you not choose the Falcata 15-20 X3 with improved critical?


1. It's 1 handed.

2. because I'm literally over half asleep

Edit: you can't get a 15-20 with a falcata it has an original threat range of 19-20. either that or its a typo in the website


Thomas Long 175 wrote:

1. It's 1 handed.

2. because I'm literally over half asleep

Edit: you can't get a 15-20 with a falcata it has an original threat range of 19-20. either that or its a typo in the website

Falcata are 19-20. I was mistaken, but being X3 they are the best DPR weapons, not that it makes much of a difference when you are doing 400 points of damage.

PS:They can also be used with two hands. The other weapon does have reach and trip. I think I will have to look into it. :)


Get an improved familiar homunculus, give him a nodachi and feats like combat reflexes, outflank, improved critical, seize the moment. Then use as a fighter yourself a nodachi and those feats, then flank and fullattack. Everytime the fighter gets a critical (with 5 attacks it should happen 1-2 times) the homunculus gets two attacks of opportunity. If its crits, the fighter gets back two AoOs. This can be accomplished only with someone who has many feats like the fighter class, so it may be considered in a 'contest'.
Or you can butterfly sting yourself after a nodachi critical from the homunculus and hit hard with the fighter's tetsubo, then quickdraw the nodachi to give your familiar the same possibility to do that.
Two handed fighter (archetype) is the way to go.


wraithstrike wrote:
Thomas Long 175 wrote:

1. It's 1 handed.

2. because I'm literally over half asleep

Edit: you can't get a 15-20 with a falcata it has an original threat range of 19-20. either that or its a typo in the website

Falcata are 19-20. I was mistaken, but being X3 they are the best DPR weapons, not that it makes much of a difference when you are doing 400 points of damage.

Why is that?

19-20 x3 weapon, keen -> x*3*0.2 = 0.6x
18-20 x2 weapon, keen -> x*2*0.3 = 0.6x

The falcata deal less base damage than the fauchard, so the latter is the best DPR weapon (and better for critical feats, but we are not considering those).

Other improvement suggested in the other thread were giant hide armor and the toothed trait for an additional bite attack.


15-20/x2 : DAMAGE*TOHIT*(1+0,3)

17-20/x3 : DAMAGE*TOHIT*(1+0,4)

x2 means: [regular hit] + [Crit%] * [regular hit], at 15-20 that is (1+0,3).


We should also remember guys its not actually a x2 or a x3 for the fighter its a x3 or x4.

also was my math right or not? someone should check everything I did it at like 4 or 5 am


Wasum wrote:

take all archery feats and all feats that increase archery damage. Spend money for all damage increasing items (DEX, STR, Gloves of Dueling, Bracers of Archery, Bow, etc.)

Damage still wont beat the eidolon when it comes to pure DPR (without DR).

Cavalier is ultimately the most damage possible, i did a build for one and dealt 16,000 damage in a single round if i crit. Using a charge you can take gorum swordsmanship and use vital strike at the end of a charge with a few mythic ranks as well basically im in a combat and i will win.


Archery has some of the Highest DPR in the game. Mostly because it starts full attacking ASAP. Rapid Shot and Many Shot help put more arrows down range. You also can start the fight from a greater distance away which is also safer.

If you do go with the Fighter class do not trade away Bravery or Weapon Training. Any archetype that does is strictly considered a downgrade now.


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TURN UNTHREAD! TURN UNTHREAD! Why does it never work?

Anyway, you may want to check the dates on these things. I think after five years the OP already finished what they were doing. And if you want to open the discussion yourself, probably best to start a new thread. A lot has changed in five years.


What an interesting little necro xD

Scarab Sages

In complete honesty, I have an unchained ancestors eidolon who outdamages any fighter I've ever come across, but he also has the fighter template so I don't know if that counts. XD But I personally still think that an eidolon would outdamage a fighter. Fighters are great, dont get me wrong, but they don't get as many attacks for nearly as good bonuses. Ability increases and Str/Dex bonuses make sure of that, even if your eidolon weilds weapons. (IE my own ancestors eidolon with a +2 Impact/Cruel Scythe. I did intimidate build for him with his fighter levels. But sadly, my rules for him are PFS restricted since he's a PFS character, so XD)

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AsimTheAnubite wrote:
In complete honesty, I have an unchained ancestors eidolon who outdamages any fighter I've ever come across, but he also has the fighter template so I don't know if that counts. XD But I personally still think that an eidolon would outdamage a fighter. Fighters are great, dont get me wrong, but they don't get as many attacks for nearly as good bonuses. Ability increases and Str/Dex bonuses make sure of that, even if your eidolon weilds weapons. (IE my own ancestors eidolon with a +2 Impact/Cruel Scythe. I did intimidate build for him with his fighter levels. But sadly, my rules for him are PFS restricted since he's a PFS character, so XD)

Did you say your eidolon has fighter class levels in pfs?

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