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OTHER THAN PLAYING STRONGEST CLASS IN GAME? NOTHING.
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OTHER THAN PLAYING STRONGEST CLASS IN GAME? NOTHING.
+1. Pierce the heavens, AM BARBARIAN!
Barbarian is the strongest anti-caster martial around. No contest. It's offensively on par with the fighter, and has better saves during rages.
The barbarian is fine. So is the bard.
Following this thread, just to see AM BARBARIAN.
OTHER THAN PLAYING STRONGEST CLASS IN GAME? NOTHING.+1. Pierce the heavens, AM BARBARIAN!
Seconded.
Barbarians are pretty much incredible.
I'm not sure exactly where you got this idea from, From a role-playing perspective all the way to the dpr olypmics barbarians are currently doing pretty well.
They can gain the pounce ability at level 10, have nice buffs to there saves and acs, a mounted barbarian can absolutely destroy when played right, and rage cycling has become more broadly attainable than in the past. I'd say the only thing keeping them from being straight up the strongest martial class in the game is the limit of only one type of totem rage power.
Or urban barbarian and "I freaking turn into a dragon".
Yeah, Barbarians are pretty dang powerful. Had one in a game I'm running and he would regularly knock down my strongest opponents in a couple hits. Luckily he died and was reincarnated as a Kobold. That hit to Strength has made him slightly less of a cannon. On the other hand he is about five times as hilarious as a 2.5ft lizardman.
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BARBARIAN, TO EXPOUND UPON BARBARIAN PREVIOUS STATEMENT, AM COMPLETELY DEFINITELY BEST CLASS IF AM MADE PROPERLY.
FOR START, NON-CRAPPY BARBARIAN AM IMMUNE TO SPELLS. AM HUMAN, WITH SUPERSTITCHIN RAGE POWER AND FAVORED CLASS BONUS. AM ALWAYS MAKING ALL SAVES. THEN AM GETTING SPELL SUNDER. AM GREATEST POWER, ALLOWS FOR SMASHING ONGOING SPELLS. MAZE AM SUDDENLY STANDARD ACTION TO DISPEL AS BARBARIAN, WITHOUT INT CHECK. STILL EVEN HAVE MOVE. AM PUNCH REALITY SO HARD CASTY NO LONGER INVISIBLE.
THEN BARBARIAN GET POUNCE. AM FINAL COMPONENT OF RAGELANCEPOUNCE, GREATEST OF ALL BARBARIAN POWERS. REST AM GRAVY. TASTY GRAVY.
...BARBARIAN WANT MASHED POTATOES NOW.
BARBARIAN, TO EXPOUND UPON BARBARIAN PREVIOUS STATEMENT, AM COMPLETELY DEFINITELY BEST CLASS IF AM MADE PROPERLY.
FOR START, NON-CRAPPY BARBARIAN AM IMMUNE TO SPELLS. AM HUMAN, WITH SUPERSTITCHIN RAGE POWER AND FAVORED CLASS BONUS. AM ALWAYS MAKING ALL SAVES. THEN AM GETTING SPELL SUNDER. AM GREATEST POWER, ALLOWS FOR SMASHING ONGOING SPELLS. MAZE AM SUDDENLY STANDARD ACTION TO DISPEL AS BARBARIAN, WITHOUT INT CHECK. STILL EVEN HAVE MOVE. AM PUNCH REALITY SO HARD CASTY NO LONGER INVISIBLE.
THEN BARBARIAN GET POUNCE. AM FINAL COMPONENT OF RAGELANCEPOUNCE, GREATEST OF ALL BARBARIAN POWERS. REST AM GRAVY. TASTY GRAVY.
...BARBARIAN WANT MASHED POTATOES NOW.
When you can punch magic so hard, it dispels, you're just a beast. We martial characters bow to you, AM BARBARIAN.
Barbarians have been pretty good since the APG. My favorite is the human invulnerable rager barbarian. Take the superstitious human bonus each level to get a Will save out of this world. Top it off with Come and Get Me and smack down your enemies in no time.
ALLIES STILL ABLE TO HEAL BARBARIAN WHILE SUPERSTITCHIN AM THERE. ONLY HALF DAMAGE HEALING, BUT AM STILL HEALING. THIS ALSO ASSUME DAMAGE TO BARBARIAN AM POSSIBLE IN THAT LARGE AMOUNT. WHEN DAMAGE AM AT.RANGELANCEPOUNCE LEVELS OF HEIGHT AND DISTANCE, AM DIFFICULT TO FIND ENEMY THAT CAN DEAL 100 DAMAGE TO BARBARIAN.
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"I freaking turn into a dragon".Explain how please.
Well it's not 100% of course, but:
Invulnerable Totem warrior archetype:Lesser beast totem, beast totem, greater beast totem
animal fury
Dragon totem, dragon totem resistance, dragon totem wings
Grab a level of monk (martial artist is recommended) so you can get stunning fist, dragon style, dragon ferocity, and dragon roar, and elemental fist to get your breath weapon.
Now you have lots of DR, wings, claws and a bite as well as energy resistance and a 'breath weapon' of sorts.
Not completely optimal but is completely fun.
"I freaking turn into a dragon".Explain how please.Well it's not 100% of course, but:
Invulnerable Totem warrior archetype:
Lesser beast totem, beast totem, greater beast totem
animal fury
Dragon totem, dragon totem resistance, dragon totem wingsGrab a level of monk (martial artist is recommended) so you can get stunning fist, dragon style, dragon ferocity, and dragon roar, and elemental fist to get your breath weapon.
Now you have lots of DR, wings, claws and a bite as well as energy resistance and a 'breath weapon' of sorts.
Not completely optimal but is completely fun.
What level would you need to be for that? At least 11. You need...8 rage powers, so there go a ton of your feats. You need Feral Combat Training as well.
"I freaking turn into a dragon".Explain how please.Well it's not 100% of course, but:
Invulnerable Totem warrior archetype:
Lesser beast totem, beast totem, greater beast totem
animal fury
Dragon totem, dragon totem resistance, dragon totem wingsGrab a level of monk (martial artist is recommended) so you can get stunning fist, dragon style, dragon ferocity, and dragon roar, and elemental fist to get your breath weapon.
Now you have lots of DR, wings, claws and a bite as well as energy resistance and a 'breath weapon' of sorts.
Not completely optimal but is completely fun.
I thought you could only have one totem.
I thought you could only have one totem."I freaking turn into a dragon".Explain how please.Well it's not 100% of course, but:
Invulnerable Totem warrior archetype:
Lesser beast totem, beast totem, greater beast totem
animal fury
Dragon totem, dragon totem resistance, dragon totem wingsGrab a level of monk (martial artist is recommended) so you can get stunning fist, dragon style, dragon ferocity, and dragon roar, and elemental fist to get your breath weapon.
Now you have lots of DR, wings, claws and a bite as well as energy resistance and a 'breath weapon' of sorts.
Not completely optimal but is completely fun.
Where do you gather that?
The following new rage powers can be taken by any barbarian that meets the prerequisites. Totem rage powers grant powers in a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers. For example, a barbarian that selects a beast totem rage power cannot later chose to gain any of the spirit totem rage powers.
Well, I never saw that before. Makes sense, I guess.
I still don't see how the Totem Warrior does anything.
Alternatively, "I came from a tribe that worshiped the Spirit Dragon."
From the APG section of PRD
Rage Powers (Ex): The following new rage powers can be taken by any barbarian that meets the prerequisites. Totem rage powers grant powers in a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers. For example, a barbarian that selects a beast totem rage power cannot later chose to gain any of the spirit totem rage powers.
Actually totem warriors still only have one totem but can choose any other rage power.
What level would you need to be for that? At least 11. You need...8 rage powers, so there go a ton of your feats. You need Feral Combat Training as well."I freaking turn into a dragon".Explain how please.Well it's not 100% of course, but:
Invulnerable Totem warrior archetype:
Lesser beast totem, beast totem, greater beast totem
animal fury
Dragon totem, dragon totem resistance, dragon totem wingsGrab a level of monk (martial artist is recommended) so you can get stunning fist, dragon style, dragon ferocity, and dragon roar, and elemental fist to get your breath weapon.
Now you have lots of DR, wings, claws and a bite as well as energy resistance and a 'breath weapon' of sorts.
Not completely optimal but is completely fun.
I didn't say it was quick did I? And I freely pointed out that it wasn't fully optimal either.
Finally I disagree with you about needing feral combat training but that's because I would intend to drop flurry of blows for something else.
From the APG section of PRD
Actually totem warriors still only have one totem but can choose any other rage power.Rage Powers (Ex): The following new rage powers can be taken by any barbarian that meets the prerequisites. Totem rage powers grant powers in a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers. For example, a barbarian that selects a beast totem rage power cannot later chose to gain any of the spirit totem rage powers.
Now go read the UC section on the same subject -- it specifically gives a pass for a totem warrior with beast totem to take dragon totem powers as well.
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...for example, a barbarian who selects a beast totem rage power (See apg) cannot later choose to gain any of the dragon totem rage powers unless she has the totem warrior archetype.
From the APG section of PRD
Actually totem warriors still only have one totem but can choose any other rage power.Rage Powers (Ex): The following new rage powers can be taken by any barbarian that meets the prerequisites. Totem rage powers grant powers in a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers. For example, a barbarian that selects a beast totem rage power cannot later chose to gain any of the spirit totem rage powers.
It would appear that the only purpose of the Totem Warrior archetype is to show thematic rage powers other than totem powers.
From the APG section of PRD
Actually totem warriors still only have one totem but can choose any other rage power.Rage Powers (Ex): The following new rage powers can be taken by any barbarian that meets the prerequisites. Totem rage powers grant powers in a theme. A barbarian cannot select from more than one group of totem rage powers. For example, a barbarian that selects a beast totem rage power cannot later chose to gain any of the spirit totem rage powers.
Now go read the UC section on the same subject -- it specifically gives a pass for a totem warrior with beast totem to take dragon totem powers as well.
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...for example, a barbarian who selects a beast totem rage power (See apg) cannot later choose to gain any of the dragon totem rage powers unless she has the totem warrior archetype.
aaaaaand *headsplode*.
Don't worry it's just MBS (Multiple book syndrome) -- I'm sure you'll feel better soon.
There is a FAQ thread on this very subject. Please wander over and add to the FAQ request.
Totem warrior gives up nothing yet allows you to take multiple totems so there is no reason for a barbarian not to be a totem warrior. The restriction on only one totem chain now has no meaning.
There is a FAQ thread on this very subject. Please wander over and add to the FAQ request.
Totem warrior gives up nothing yet allows you to take multiple totems so there is no reason for a barbarian not to be a totem warrior. The restriction on only one totem chain now has no meaning.
Thanks, forgot to mention that thread here.
I need to check up on this ultra anti-magic barbarian build...
In the mean time, since this seems like the thread to find out, what do you guys think of the Sprint, Bestial Climber, Bestial Swimmer, Primal Scent, Ghost Rager, and Animal Fury rage powers?
To sum up my opinion on the first 4... "Escape? There is no escape!"... And for Animal Fury... Well... It's just fun when you get a bite attack, no? Ghost Rager just makes Barbarians get silly.
Edit: Just finished looking at a bunch of the rage powers.... And I have a new slogan for Barbarians...
Barbarians.... For when you want to make your DM cry.
Not that the chorus needs any more voices, but I agree.
Barbarians can be a good basis for lots of other stuff too, like
my current character. Barbarian rocks so hard you can afford to bleed a little power to do something cool but not really aimed at raw power.
The greatest issue I see with Barbarian is the sheer number of "Once per rage" rage powers. They feel way too much like Encounter Powers. I'm not a fan. I really like the few Rage Powers in Ultimate Combat that cost additional Rage Rounds to use. This is what I really wanted to see for the Barbarian.
After looking through some of the DPR Olympics and running a few searches, all I can really find are 1-3 lvl dips into Barbarian.
RAGE CYCLE TURNS 1/RAGE INTO MINIMUM 1/ROUND. JUST NEED NEGATE FATIGUE SOMEHOW. 17TH LEVEL, HEART OF FIELDS, DIP IN LAME ORACLE...
BARBARIAN NURSE EXTREME ADDICTION TO ALLNIGHT.
The greatest issue I see with Barbarian is the sheer number of "Once per rage" rage powers. They feel way too much like Encounter Powers. I'm not a fan. I really like the few Rage Powers in Ultimate Combat that cost additional Rage Rounds to use. This is what I really wanted to see for the Barbarian.
After looking through some of the DPR Olympics and running a few searches, all I can really find are 1-3 lvl dips into Barbarian.
RAGE CYCLE TURNS 1/RAGE INTO MINIMUM 1/ROUND. JUST NEED NEGATE FATIGUE SOMEHOW. 17TH LEVEL, HEART OF FIELDS, DIP IN LAME ORACLE...
BARBARIAN NURSE EXTREME ADDICTION TO ALLNIGHT.
So AM what is your take on the Totem Warrior issue?
So AM what is your take on the Totem Warrior issue?The greatest issue I see with Barbarian is the sheer number of "Once per rage" rage powers. They feel way too much like Encounter Powers. I'm not a fan. I really like the few Rage Powers in Ultimate Combat that cost additional Rage Rounds to use. This is what I really wanted to see for the Barbarian.
After looking through some of the DPR Olympics and running a few searches, all I can really find are 1-3 lvl dips into Barbarian.
RAGE CYCLE TURNS 1/RAGE INTO MINIMUM 1/ROUND. JUST NEED NEGATE FATIGUE SOMEHOW. 17TH LEVEL, HEART OF FIELDS, DIP IN LAME ORACLE...
BARBARIAN NURSE EXTREME ADDICTION TO ALLNIGHT.
UM... BARBARIAN NOT KNOW HOW TO READ? :D :D :D
The greatest issue I see with Barbarian is the sheer number of "Once per rage" rage powers. They feel way too much like Encounter Powers. I'm not a fan. I really like the few Rage Powers in Ultimate Combat that cost additional Rage Rounds to use. This is what I really wanted to see for the Barbarian.
After looking through some of the DPR Olympics and running a few searches, all I can really find are 1-3 lvl dips into Barbarian.
Well, a one level dip into oracle grabbing the lame curse means that by level 9 (1 + (8/2)) you become immune to fatigue, which is pretty nice. I'm sure their are more effective methods but i can't think of any off the top of my head.
EDIT:- I just got ragelancedpounced by AM BARBARIAN
The greatest issue I see with Barbarian is the sheer number of "Once per rage" rage powers. They feel way too much like Encounter Powers. I'm not a fan. I really like the few Rage Powers in Ultimate Combat that cost additional Rage Rounds to use. This is what I really wanted to see for the Barbarian.
After looking through some of the DPR Olympics and running a few searches, all I can really find are 1-3 lvl dips into Barbarian.
Once you become immune to fatigue, those once per rage powers become once per round.
No offense mate, but I don't think you looked hard enough.
UM... BARBARIAN NOT KNOW HOW TO READ? :D :D :D
Bwahahahahaha! Go AM BARBARIAN! AM BARBARIAN FOREVER!
Yeah, this seems like a joke thread.
UC made it so Barbarians just won the game in terms of Warriors.
APG+UC means having Rage Powers and Barb Levels to qualify for them is more powerful than Feats.
(you get those normally, and Full BAB to qualify, but if Extra Rage Power Feats seem heavily worth it, you know what´s up)
Whether or not you choose the Animal Totem, Superstitious, there´s PLENTY of great Barb options now.
If you are Human, an APG Alt Racial Ability grants 1/day Fatigue/Exhaustion Immunity from LEVEL 1 (for Rage Cycling).
Fighters can hold their own in a niche, and multi-classing with them a bit can be a good idea, but they just can´t match the breadth of the Barbarian´s offensive and defensive abilities.
Plus, barbarians can sunder spells.
And eat magic.
Plus, barbarians can sunder spells.
And eat magic.
TASTES JUST LIKE FRIED KOBOLD THAT AM STILL ON FIRE. NUTRITIOUS AND DELICIOUS.
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TASTES JUST LIKE FRIED KOBOLD THAT AM STILL ON FIRE. NUTRITIOUS AND DELICIOUS.Plus, barbarians can sunder spells.
And eat magic.
Happy 300th post, AM.
Always remember, I started the thread that spawned you...
That's right... AM BARBARIAN... I AM FATHER.
(vaderbreath)
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TASTES JUST LIKE FRIED KOBOLD THAT AM STILL ON FIRE. NUTRITIOUS AND DELICIOUS.Plus, barbarians can sunder spells.
And eat magic.
Happy 300th post, AM.
Always remember, I started the thread that spawned you...
That's right... AM BARBARIAN... I AM FATHER.
THANKS MILLIONS.
WAIT, FATHER? BARBARIAN ALWAYS THOUGHT FATHER MURDERED BY ROGUE CASTY.
WAIT, THAT AM NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. ARCANE TRICKSTERS AM CRAPPY CASTYS.
ALL AM MAKE SENSE NOW. FATHER NOT KILLED BY CASTY...
FATHER AM CASTY.
SMITE EVIL DUST AM NOW DIAMONDS!
So is this a super-high Perform-Acting paladin, or Lawful Stupid as indicated in the vernacular?
Barbarian, look what you've done! You have unleashed this hell upon us!... Good job.
SMITE EVIL DUST AM NOW DIAMONDS!So is this a super-high Perform-Acting paladin, or Lawful Stupid as indicated in the vernacular?
Barbarian, look what you've done! You have unleashed this hell upon us!... Good job.
Wow, i've just become aware how off track this thread got.