Well, first, she's a union welder. Second, she shows up in our driveway with a pickup full of wood and rusted-out car parts.
It's a good thing she's hot, because, frankly, she's much more "manly" than I, or anyone else who lives here. I should ask her if she can finish siding the compound...
Yeah. When she stopped by, she was trying to drum up people to go to an Occupy meeting to plan actions around the primaries. (I think the video of the other woman at the Gingrich event happened after she left.) My anarcho-syndicalist Teamster steward roommate and I both told her that we weren't available for any political activism until after Christmas. She called us a bunch of pussies. Man, she's hot!
Then she admitted that she's only able to do all this stuff because she got seasonally laid off. It's hard to do all this activism stuff when you've actually got a job!
I didn't have the heart to inform her about Paul's position on Right to Work, though...
But, yeah, the Occupy NH group still seems to be a very strange amalgamation of socialists, liberals and libertarians. There's not much else for people with marginal political opinions to do here in the Granite State.
You done with finals?
Welding is hot.
So she's a die hard Dr Paul supporter eh? The primaries are starting aren't they?
Join her in the campaign! When he loses, you'll be there to make her feel better...
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There's nothing I like more than betraying political principals in order to get laid!
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You done with finals?
One more paper to write this weekend. The struggle between lockean style property ownership and fordist redistribution through the lens of the Income Tax Act, the Report of the Royal Commission on Taxation 1966, and the civil libertarian pushback. It's going to be of interest to approximately 2 people in the whole world.
Well, first, she's a union welder. Second, she shows up in our driveway with a pickup full of wood and rusted-out car parts.
It's a good thing she's hot, because, frankly, she's much more "manly" than I, or anyone else who lives here. I should ask her if she can finish siding the compound...
So... when are you gonna ask her to watch Flashdance?
Or just buy her leg warmers for Xmas.
Did you ever see The Full Monty when they were complaining about that movie? Hee hee!
I cannot recommend strongly enough that you learn the dance from The Full Monty.
There is literally nothing that impresses women more.
You can thank me later. :D
Oh hey, King Robert Baratheon is in that movie ;)
Teamsters don't dance.
Who ever said that you or Emma couldn't dance?
Teamsters don't dance.
Somebody has never been to a truck stop bar.
Moro's right, let me correct myself:
Teamsters don't dance well.
How is the occupy movement faring in the US these days? Here in the Netherlands we had a couple of groups but most sites have been disbanded and from what I could tell consisted mainly of the usual suspects: leftist squatters and professional anti-establishment people.
I've not heard much from them since the Zuccotti Park incident. I'm in Brooklyn, BTW.
OWS seems to have been effectively dismantled by police action. Clearing the protestors out was a calculated risk -- using force often fans the flames -- but it paid off this time. Next time: Who knows?
Yep, problem solved. It's like they never existed. Everybody's doing fine with the malcontents out of sight.
Um, what are you guys talking about?
They're still yelling at presidential candidates here in NH, too.
Hey tell your welder friend to keep getting the vote out, 538 is predicting that Paul will win Iowa and has a chance at NH. Based on Polls! Polls!
but for the sake of your love-life, I would keep mum about your "#@$k Ron Paul sideways with a shovel" stance. ;p
Hey tell your welder friend to keep getting the vote out, 538 is predicting that Paul will win Iowa and has a chance at NH. Based on Polls! Polls!but for the sake of your love-life, I would keep mum about your "#@$k Ron Paul sideways with a shovel" stance. ;p
Psh, there goes his pillow talk.
I never understood why people would get upset about the economic rape of the county or the new police state when they could OCCUPY themselves with video games and fantasy RPGs. Get a life, dirty hippies!
As I've tried to point out in my posts, there seems to be quite a sizable base of D&D dorks out there in the Occupy trenches.
Although, I probably do need to get a life.
And I've realized that I made a mistake. Hot (dreadlocked) welder #1 used to work with another hot welder chick. They both left that job and it is Hot welder #2 who is now a member of the Boilermaker Union. Hot welder chick #1 is NOT, unfortunately, union. But she's still hot.
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IMO, this is not an astroturf movement (unions are starting to get involved only now) like the Teaparty demonstrations, but a genuine organic movement...
Silly, spoonfed talking point alert! (Saves thinking critically, I guess...)
Anywhooo, wow. I'm astroturf. And so are the 14 people in my neighborhood who went to a protest in DC. The 15 million people in Tea Party Patriot groups... Astroturf.
Union members waving machine-printed signs in Madison, Wis., last year, a day after Scott Walker's bill went to the state Senate floor (while the Dem Senators spent weeks on the taxpayers' dime in Illinois, on the other hand) -- oh, they're right-minded individuals, though, acting independently.
[gales of laughter]
It really isn't just a river in Egypt, is it?
Keep saying it, I guess. Maybe public-school students will believe it.
Irony: at least one OWW protester landed a job on Wall Street, too. She was holding up a sign that said "ask me for my RESUME," and lo! someone did! Hmph. How about that.
The way to fix things and get us some real fiscal responsibility in government, for example, might be to get rid of withholding taxes, another bad FDR idea (thank God his Supertax didn't fly in 1942, at least!), and make everyone pay up like they used to, on or before April 15.
Then hold elections at every level of government on April 16.
And have any bank exec from a firm which got federal bailout funds serve electable terms, too. And if they don't get a majority vote, NOBODY gets the job. "None of the above" could do as well, considering how much we spent on TARP, methinks...
"Republicans believe every day is July 4. Democrats believe every day is April 15." -- Ronald Reagan
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Templeton, you make little sense.
Silly, spoonfed talking point alert! (Saves thinking critically, I guess...)
Anywhooo, wow. I'm astroturf. And so are the 14 people in my neighborhood who went to a protest in DC. The 15 million people in Tea Party Patriot groups... Astroturf.
Union members waving machine-printed signs in Madison, Wis., last year, a day after Scott Walker's bill went to the state Senate floor (while the Dem Senators spent weeks on the taxpayers' dime in Illinois, on the other hand) -- oh, they're right-minded individuals, though, acting independently.
[gales of laughter]
It really isn't just a river in Egypt, is it?
Keep saying it, I guess. Maybe public-school students will believe it.
Irony: at least one OWW protester landed a job on Wall Street, too. She was holding up a sign that said "ask me for my RESUME," and lo! someone did! Hmph. How about that.
The way to fix things and get us some real fiscal responsibility in government, for example, might be to get rid of withholding taxes, another bad FDR idea (thank God his Supertax didn't fly in 1942, at least!), and make everyone pay up like they used to, on or before April 15.
Then hold elections at every level of government on April 16.And have any bank exec from a firm which got federal bailout funds serve electable terms, too. And if they don't get a majority vote, NOBODY gets the job. "None of the above" could do as well, considering how much we spent on TARP, methinks...
"Republicans believe every day is July 4. Democrats believe every day is April 15." -- Ronald Reagan
I stayed away from this argument months ago (good necromancy job, Citizen Algrith!) and I have no interest in discussing the Tea Party now. Partly because it has been deemed off-topic by the mods, but mostly because I was homeless back then and wasn't following the news.
I will however address the unions: From what I've read, the impetus for the unions' response to Wisconsin legitimately came from the rank-and-file who had to drag the union leadership behind them. And even then, when the rank-and-file was calling for general strikes, the union leadership chanelled all the outrage into electoral recall bullshiznit. And then they lost--big surprise.
When Occupy started, it intersected some legitimate class war that was going on in this country, starting with Teamsters vs. Sotheby's, soon followed by the east coast Verizon strike and the ILWU's battles out in Longview. Under these circumstances, the rank-and-file were truly excited about Occupy, but, true to form, the pro-capitalist union bureaucrats' main focus was to corral the activism into re-electing Obama in 2012. I find this terribly disappointing but not at all surprising.
Even in the recent "general strikes" that have been shutting down the ports on the West Coast, the union leadership has betrayed the movement over and over. None of these "strikes" were actually endorsed by the unions, who never even called for their members to refrain from working. Rather, the ILWU has some awesome contract language about how they don't have to cross any kind of picket lines, and the unions have invoked this language to allow individual workers to decide whether they were going to report to work or not.
This set of circumstances in no way shakes my allegiance to the unions; it does, however, reconfirm my belief in the necessity to oust the collaborationist, pro-capitalist union leadership.
Break with the Democrats!
You're right, of course, Comrade Jeff, about there being harsh penalties. "No strike/no lockout" during the course of a contract is pretty standard language these days. The Teamster-affiliated Brotherhood of Locomotive, something something (BLET) are/were actively scabbing at Longview for exactly this reason.
Of course, this is exactly the same kind of language/laws that Harry Bridges, Farrell Dobbs and A.J. Muste would have laughed at, defied, and then overcome.
We're never going to win shiznit if we play by the bosses' rules. Labor's gotta play hardball to win!
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You're right, of course, Comrade Jeff, about there being harsh penalties. "No strike/no lockout" during the course of a contract is pretty standard language these days. The Teamster-affiliated Brotherhood of Locomotive, something something (BLET) are/were actively scabbing at Longview for exactly this reason.
Of course, this is exactly the same kind of language/laws that Harry Bridges, Farrell Dobbs and A.J. Muste would have laughed at, defied, and then overcome.
We're never going to win shiznit if we play by the bosses' rules. Labor's gotta play hardball to win!
Ooh! Pro-union film clips!
NSFW due to swears and racist language.
Union members waving machine-printed signs in Madison, Wis., last year, a day after Scott Walker's bill went to the state Senate floor (while the Dem Senators spent weeks on the taxpayers' dime in Illinois, on the other hand) -- oh, they're right-minded individuals, though, acting independently.
As someone who was actually there, sir, you are wrong.
Just because someone is a union member doesn't mean everything they do is dictated by said union. This assumption leads to all sorts of insane suppositions, and remember that the Capitol Police are also union. Though, one suspiciously exempt from Walker's "budget reform" bill.|
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Union members waving machine-printed signs in Madison, Wis., last year, a day after Scott Walker's bill went to the state Senate floor (while the Dem Senators spent weeks on the taxpayers' dime in Illinois, on the other hand) -- oh, they're right-minded individuals, though, acting independently.
As someone who was actually there, sir, you are wrong.
Just because someone is a union member doesn't mean everything they do is dictated by said union. This assumption leads to all sorts of insane suppositions, and remember that the Capitol Police are also union. Though, one suspiciously exempt from Walker's "budget reform" bill.
Theres an article out there somewhere about how the fastest growing source of employment in America right now is in security type stuff. Gotta protect all that capital from the mobs.
Theres an article out there somewhere about how the fastest growing source of employment in America right now is in security type stuff. Gotta protect all that capital from the mobs.
When Walker's budget repair bill got examined thoroughly, what came out was that (among other stupid things) it nutted all public sector unions--except police and fire/rescue unions, who of course typically vote Repub and contribute to Republican campaigns unlike other unions. It was pretty blatant political nepotism.
So we're not talking like private security, but the state police. However, to feed into Kirth's suspicions, one of Walker's biggest ideas is the privatization of the state prison system.
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Theres an article out there somewhere about how the fastest growing source of employment in America right now is in security type stuff. Gotta protect all that capital from the mobs.When Walker's budget repair bill got examined thoroughly, what came out was that (among other stupid things) it nutted all public sector unions--except police and fire/rescue unions, who of course typically vote Repub and contribute to Republican campaigns unlike other unions. It was pretty blatant political nepotism.
So we're not talking like private security, but the state police. However, to feed into Kirth's suspicions, one of Walker's biggest ideas is the privatization of the state prison system.
How do privatized prisons turn a profit? Forced prison labour?
How do privatized prisons turn a profit? Forced prison labour?
Tax dollars. They're privately run, not privately funded. And so they constantly lobby to make more things illegal, with stiffer penalties, to fuel their growth (google the American Legislative Exchange Council, ALEC).
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How do privatized prisons turn a profit? Forced prison labour?Tax dollars. They're privately run, not privately funded. And so they constantly lobby to make more things illegal, with stiffer penalties, to fuel their growth (google the American Legislative Exchange Council, ALEC).
Yet again corporations and government put aside their differences and work together to utterly screw the American people. Who says we can't cooperate? :P
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I still find it incredible that we actively pay money to encourage politicians to pass increasingly bizarre laws geared towards putting more and more of us into prison for longer periods of time. And no one will apply the brakes because then they're "soft on crime." The only logical stopping point is when there aren't enough taxpayers left unincarcerated to keep funding the imprisonment of their friends and neighbors inside.
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I still find it incredible that we actively pay money to encourage politicians to pass increasingly bizarre laws geared towards putting more and more of us into prison for longer periods of time. And no one will apply the brakes because then they're "soft on crime." The only logical stopping point is when there aren't enough taxpayers left unincarcerated to keep funding the imprisonment of their friends and neighbors inside.
Whatever; you're just soft on crime.
We are the 99%!
The system is set up to REQUIRE cheating to be near the top. Business students are taught this on a daily basis. Business leaders admit it on a daily basis.
The fact that deregulation, bribery and cronyism has made cheating and dishonesty the smart, even heroic, thing to do gets us where we are.
Stay strong protestors!
That are going about it in the smartest way I think. Teamwork, hardwork, staying independent and refusing to accept a label.
Charismatic leaders are easily corrupted or disappeared. A group while not as efficient at taking specific actions are more difficult ignore and defeat. It is simply a better long term strategy.
Simple messages are easily corrupted and mocked. A broad idea that the majority agrees with, not so much. That is how you generate momentum and keep the perspective of the young and disenfranchised in the news cycle on every topic on every issue. Taking up a specific cause restricts your influence.
I don’t think OWS is doing it right because someone planned this strategy. It is just the natural temperament of the millennial generation.
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We are the 99%!
The system is set up to REQUIRE cheating to be near the top. Business students are taught this on a daily basis. Business leaders admit it on a daily basis.
The fact that deregulation, bribery and cronyism has made cheating and dishonesty the smart, even heroic, thing to do...
I agree, except for the last part -- there is nothing heroic about it. Quite the opposite, in fact. :(
The really sad part is that to the most successful (read: sociopathic) among us, traits like integrity, forgiveness, and kindness are contemptible signs of weakness.
IMO, this is not an astroturf movement (unions are starting to get involved only now) like the Teaparty demonstrations, but a genuine organic movement...Silly, spoonfed talking point alert! (Saves thinking critically, I guess...)
...he said, following with a nonsensical list of spoonfed talking points, as fact-free and devoid of considered thought as any on the thread.
Fox viewers are less informed than people who watch no "news" at all.
