
meatrace |

Why he'll be getting mine...
So you like him because he insults and dismisses the struggles of a genuinely diverse group of protesters. This story just goes to show that the reporter, Herman Cain, and probably you just don't get it.

Benicio Del Espada |

Why he'll be getting mine...
Congrats on being fabulously wealthy! Sadly, most of us are not, and wouldn't vote against our own interests.

meatrace |

meatrace wrote:So you like him because he insults and dismisses the struggles of a genuinely diverse group of protesters. This story just goes to show that the reporter, Herman Cain, and probably you just don't get it.I'm pretty sure that Cain does, in fact, get it -- which is even worse.
I don't think he does, I really think he's just hopelessly aloof. His battle cry seems to be "let them eat cake". So, racism isn't a hindrance to success, the poor should blame themselves, and the people who dissent with the corporate agenda are filthy and unwashed.
There are absolute parallels to pre-revolution France, and it's telling that the right are making this comparison as well, and still calling us 99% a bunch of whiners. How disconnected are they?

bugleyman |

I don't think he does, I really think he's just hopelessly aloof. His battle cry seems to be "let them eat cake". So, racism isn't a hindrance to success, the poor should blame themselves, and the people who dissent with the corporate agenda are filthy and unwashed.
There are absolute parallels to pre-revolution France, and it's telling that the right are making this comparison as well, and still calling us 99% a bunch of whiners. How disconnected are they?
It's difficult for me to believe that most of the people who fall in to the upper 1/2% or so genuinely believe in -- or care about -- our so-called meritocracy.
Rather, it seems to me that most of them just want to grab as much as they can and get out before the whole thing comes down. :(

meatrace |

It's difficult for me to believe that most of the people who fall in to the upper 1/2% or so genuinely believe in -- or care about -- our so-called meritocracy.Rather, it seems to me that most of them just want to grab as much as they can and get out before the whole thing comes down. :(
Absent any quotes or first-hand evidence to the contrary, I prefer to assume that everyone argues from a point of genuine belief. They may believe blindly and unquestioningly, or without a fruitful examination of the underlying principles of what they claim to believe, but belief nonetheless.
It seems like the rational middle class, or proponents thereof, are flanked by the poor and very rich which both tend to vote conservatively (for whatever reason). The rich have every reason to believe in the American dream, after all it worked for them! Herman Cain is a (relatively) self-made man, but the assumption that anyone nay EVERYONE can do the same is a faulty one upon which rests his entire ideology.
The thing is: he's sort of right. Anyone who wants to and has the balls and mind to do so can make a KILLING and become rich. Maybe not overnight, but it's possible. My problem is the idea that if you don't work at becoming rich, you deserve to be poor, which is a fault in logic. I don't want to be rich. I could probably throw my life savings on the line and participate in what is a gross manipulation of the financial markets for profit and make out like a bandit. I have no particular desire to be filthy rich, I just want to work a job I don't hate for $15/hr+benefits. Pretty modest goals, but unachievable it seems.
His philosophy is if you don't want to be rich you deserve to be poor. If you don't want to work 2 full time jobs, you deserve to starve, and, to me, that's precisely the disconnect between the two major parties right now. Call it Socialism if you want, but I'm fine with the majority of wealth in the minority of hands...once the basic needs of the majority are met. Education, Health Care, Environmental Protection, Infrastructure, and Defense. Once those are fully funded and everyone is protected from the negative externalities of big business, let them do whatever they like.

bugleyman |

I'm fine with the majority of wealth in the minority of hands...once the basic needs of the majority are met. Education, Health Care, Environmental Protection, Infrastructure, and Defense. Once those are fully funded and everyone is protected from the negative externalities of big business, let them do whatever they like.
Such a situation has never existed (or if it has, I'm unaware of it) -- so that doesn't seem like a particularly practical stance.

meatrace |

meatrace wrote:I'm fine with the majority of wealth in the minority of hands...once the basic needs of the majority are met. Education, Health Care, Environmental Protection, Infrastructure, and Defense. Once those are fully funded and everyone is protected from the negative externalities of big business, let them do whatever they like.Such a situation has never existed (or if it has, I'm unaware of it) -- so that doesn't seem like a particularly practical stance.
I understand it hasn't existed; it's something to work towards. It's a compromise between true socialism and laissez faire capitalism.

TheWhiteknife |

A conservative's take on Cain.
Good video and sums up most of my reservations about him. (Guy didnt touch upon the whole anti-muslim issue.)
Another of main problems:
Herman Cain- Auditing the Federal reserve wont turn anything up!
GAO Federal Reserve Audit- yup, absolutely nothing untoward going on.

meatrace |

Well I will say about tom woods video, that I would vote for Ron before ever casting a ballot for Cain, ten times over Ron Paul wins my vote. But if Paul doesn't get the nomination. I still support Cain.
So as a Ron Paul supporter, and if anyone could tempt me to vote against Obama it would be Ron Paul, why does everyone keep saying he's unelectable? What exactly does he say that is stupider/crazier than the other candidates?

BigNorseWolf |

So as a Ron Paul supporter, and if anyone could tempt me to vote against Obama it would be Ron Paul, why does everyone keep saying he's unelectable? What exactly does he say that is stupider/crazier than the other candidates?
'Hello. I'm a republican. I'm going to try to get elected as a republican without gobs of corporate money convincing you to vote against your own best interests, because the corporations don't like me either '

meatrace |

So as a Ron Paul supporter, and if anyone could tempt me to vote against Obama it would be Ron Paul, why does everyone keep saying he's unelectable? What exactly does he say that is stupider/crazier than the other candidates?
'Hello. I'm a republican. I'm going to try to get elected as a republican without gobs of corporate money convincing you to vote against your own best interests, because the corporations don't like me either '
I do understand that aspect of it, but there are news sources that I thought I could respect that have nonetheless ignored the man. Is it the ultimate evidence that the media corps all work in tandem? Or is there something I'm just not seeing. That's what I'm asking.