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As the casting of Caitlin Blackwood demonstrates, Moffatt goes to some lengths to have young versions of characters resemble their adult incarnations. The young New York waif at the end of Day of the Moon doesn't resemble Alex Kingston either physically or in mannerisms.
We didn't see her *after* she regenerated...
And now we know who she is.
ZOMG!!!!11!one!!!eleventy-five!
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Theory about who she kills:
River is in jail for killing "A Good Man"
In "A Good Man Goes To War" the DOctor replies to someone that "A Good Man" doesn't need rules, and then goes on to say
"Care to find out why I have so many?" Rory is also going to war during this episode.
The whole season has been themed along "You think it's the Doctor they're talking about, but then it turns out to be Rory."
They have been trying very hard to make us think River kills the Doctor.
I think River is going to kill her dad.
That's a surprisingly simple, logical, and Moffet theory. I think you are on to something!Theory about who she kills:
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I was thinking the same..... I am just wondering who teaches her how to pilot the Tardis.
Some non spoilery questions - I must have missed some episodes...
The Sontaran is he from a Tenant episode?
The Lizard woman (Silurian?) and her companion... I must have missed that one.
The blue guy...... I only have vague recollections of not sure what ep he is from.
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That's a surprisingly simple, logical, and Moffet theory. I think you are on to something!Theory about who she kills:
** spoiler omitted **I was thinking the same..... I am just wondering who teaches her how to pilot the Tardis.
Some non spoilery questions - I must have missed some episodes...
The Sontaran is he from a Tenant episode?
The Lizard woman (Silurian?) and her companion... I must have missed that one.
The blue guy...... I only have vague recollections of not sure what ep he is from.
The blue guy is the only that has previously appeared. He was in The Pandorica Opens last series.
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I was thinking the same..... I am just wondering who teaches her how to pilot the Tardis.
Some non spoilery questions - I must have missed some episodes...
The Sontaran is he from a Tenant episode?
The Lizard woman (Silurian?) and her companion... I must have missed that one.
The blue guy...... I only have vague recollections of not sure what ep he is from.
The Sontaran is from The Sontaran Stratagem / The Poison Sky, so yes, Tenant.
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Well that was awesome. Even the before the credits 'bump' "Do I have to repeat the question?"
(Aside, were those parallel universe Cybermen or 'Classic Who' Cybermen?)
And now we know how she knows the Doctor's name in "Silence in the Library."
And yes
Pondering SitL thought:
Still, it's nice, and scary, to see what happens when the Doctor relaxes his rules.
I've seen others online analyzing the poem. What if it's not the entire poem?
Well that was awesome. Even the before the credits 'bump' "Do I have to repeat the question?"
(Aside, were those parallel universe Cybermen or 'Classic Who' Cybermen?)
Seeing as how Sylvester McCoy blew up the last Cyberfleet in existence in The Silver Nemesis, and I believe all of the ones in Good Man had the Cybus logo on them, I'd say they were "Petesworld" Cybermen.
Seeing as how Sylvester McCoy blew up the last Cyberfleet in existence in The Silver Nemesis, and I believe all of the ones in Good Man had the Cybus logo on them, I'd say they were "Petesworld" Cybermen.Well that was awesome. Even the before the credits 'bump' "Do I have to repeat the question?"
(Aside, were those parallel universe Cybermen or 'Classic Who' Cybermen?)
Actually, they had a blank chest piece - they were our universe's Cybermen (and Mr Moffat has stated as much...)
Cheers
Mark
Seeing as how Sylvester McCoy blew up the last Cyberfleet in existence in The Silver Nemesis, and I believe all of the ones in Good Man had the Cybus logo on them, I'd say they were "Petesworld" Cybermen.Well that was awesome. Even the before the credits 'bump' "Do I have to repeat the question?"
(Aside, were those parallel universe Cybermen or 'Classic Who' Cybermen?)Actually, they had a blank chest piece - they were our universe's Cybermen (and Mr Moffat has stated as much...)
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I stand corrected, then.
I wonder how they survived McCoy blowing them all up... But heck, if the Daleks can come back from being erased from time, so too can they.
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They have been hinting that River Song is married to The Doctor in the future.
And it all went to hell in a handbasket...River Soong is the daughter of Amy Pond and a little Timelord DNA...and maybe Rory.
And River is the Doctor's Wife and Grandmother of Susan who we meet at the beginning of the Doctor Who Series.
So he has been snogging Amy's Daughter (and in a way his own - ewwww!).
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There is something about chess that is weirding me out. It seems to be a parallel of the life of Doctor Who. If you think of White pieces being the Black Pieces simultaneously they divide off from their superposition and go in opposite directions against each other when they are not. People moving forward and backward in time against each other when at superposition they are the same chesspiece.
Serves them all right for playing with blackholes.
And River is the Doctor's Wife and Grandmother of Susan who we meet at the beginning of the Doctor Who Series.
Except that she's not, and it's entirely possible (even probable, and one might go so far as to say, canonical) that The Doctor was married well before the show ever began, to a nice Time Lady from Gallifrey who had an old reliable TARDIS that she only took to the Panopticon on Sundays. I know you're kidding, but what is it with this growingly prevalent idea that River is now and can only ever be the Doctor's Only Wife?
Kids these days! ;)
Nah....Susan is Jenny's daughter ;)
Come to think of it...wouldn't Jenny have been a better source of Time Lord DNA for evil clerics with automatic weapons?
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Nah....Susan is Jenny's daughter ;)
Come to think of it...wouldn't Jenny have been a better source of Time Lord DNA for evil clerics with automatic weapons?
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They'd have to know about her. (Plus we don't know if she regenerated or if it was the source that revived her.)
It does make River's comment in the premier more precient (about the Doctor's body).
Ok, mind blowing theory.
Likewise, what if the Doctor didn't send the envelopes, but River did, to put in motion a plan to get around the Doctor's death?
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Some non spoilery questions - I must have missed some episodes...
The Sontaran is he from a Tenant episode?
The Lizard woman (Silurian?) and her companion... I must have missed that one.
The blue guy...... I only have vague recollections of not sure what ep he is from.
We haven’t seen that Sontaron before (the actor has played other Sontarons though). Likewise, we haven’t seen that lizard-woman before (but the actor played the lizard twins in the mining episode).
The blue guy sold River a Vortex Manipulator (?) at the start of the Pandorica ep. We haven’t seen him interact with the Doctor before.
I don’t think we’ve seen Lorna Bucket before … but we might see her younger version in the future I’m guessing. The doctor tells her ‘I remember everyone’, then turns around and asks lizard-woman ‘Who was she?’ – that suggests to me that in her past she meets the doctor in his future, so we might see her in a future episode.
Pity we probably won’t see the adult Lorna again … she’s hot.
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Nah....Susan is Jenny's daughter ;)
Come to think of it...wouldn't Jenny have been a better source of Time Lord DNA for evil clerics with automatic weapons?
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I was actually quite sad that neither Jenny or Jack were included in the Doctor's army. For that matter it would have been nice to see Mr. and Mrs. Smith again as well.
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I was actually quite sad that neither Jenny or Jack were included in the Doctor's army. For that matter it would have been nice to see Mr. and Mrs. Smith again as well.Nah....Susan is Jenny's daughter ;)
Come to think of it...wouldn't Jenny have been a better source of Time Lord DNA for evil clerics with automatic weapons?
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Mark
I'd guess budget and acting constraints. I'd have loved to see Gwen, Jack and Ianto just so it's from before Chidlren of earth (paradox from Gwen's 'never met the doctor' statement? That was from the last big bang. :P)
Heck, in a 'impossible to do, but awesome' moment, the Brigader, Winifred Bambera, Ancelyn, the Sisterhood of Karn, K-9 all from their primes...
And River is the Doctor's Wife and Grandmother of Susan who we meet at the beginning of the Doctor Who Series.
Except that she's not, and it's entirely possible (even probable, and one might go so far as to say, canonical) that The Doctor was married well before the show ever began, to a nice Time Lady from Gallifrey who had an old reliable TARDIS that she only took to the Panopticon on Sundays. I know you're kidding, but what is it with this growingly prevalent idea that River is now and can only ever be the Doctor's Only Wife?
Kids these days! ;)
Well, the Doctor Who Facebook page did just post a video clip of "An Unearthly Child," featuring the search for Susan, just this morning, so maybe it's something more than idle speculation...or they're just trying to fan the flames.
Well, the Doctor Who Facebook page did just post a video clip of "An Unearthly Child," featuring the search for Susan, just this morning, so maybe it's something more than idle speculation...or they're just trying to fan the flames.
Votin' for flame fanning (I almost just wrote fame flanning... which is a Dalek of an entirely different color), me.
Especially considering that if River was Susan's Grandmother, or Jennie was her mother, The Doctor would remember it. Tennant's Doctor acknowledged he'd been a father - "I was a dad, once..."
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
But I've been wrong before, and hey, if they can bring the Cybermen back who's to say they won't have Hartnell's Doctor knowing things his later incarnations didn't.
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And River is the Doctor's Wife and Grandmother of Susan who we meet at the beginning of the Doctor Who Series.
Except that she's not, and it's entirely possible (even probable, and one might go so far as to say, canonical) that The Doctor was married well before the show ever began, to a nice Time Lady from Gallifrey who had an old reliable TARDIS that she only took to the Panopticon on Sundays. I know you're kidding, but what is it with this growingly prevalent idea that River is now and can only ever be the Doctor's Only Wife?
Kids these days! ;)
Kids? Youre the one living in a Monandry...
I'm just thinking River Song is travelling in an opposite temporal direction which will put her in line with the Doctor's Daughter episode...then Grand Daughter Susan...basically thats why you met the females of his family line in reverse to his relationships with their 'maternal parent'.
Nah....Susan is Jenny's daughter ;)
Come to think of it...wouldn't Jenny have been a better source of Time Lord DNA for evil clerics with automatic weapons?
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MarkThey'd have to know about her. (Plus we don't know if she regenerated or if it was the source that revived her.)
It does make River's comment in the premier more precient (about the Doctor's body).
Ok, mind blowing theory.
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As much as I like the idea that it's a elaborate plan by River, the future Doctor acted like he sent the envelopes. Still, the whole series may still turn out to be a plot of Doctor Song's. Which would be cool.
Re: Jack....you'd have thought a walking fixed point in time would be the go to guy for taking on an asteroid of trigger happy priests. Then again the Tardis has a personal problem with Jack. And what happens if you have Jack and Amy in the same room, or Jack and River.....
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Re: Jack....you'd have thought a walking fixed point in time would be the go to guy for taking on an asteroid of trigger happy priests. Then again the Tardis has a personal problem with Jack. And what happens if you have Jack and Amy in the same room, or Jack and River.....
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Well we know what Jack would like to happen in the same room with River and Amy...
(And Rory for that matter, remember the Roman Centurion line from End of days?)
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Just remember River has DNA from the Doctor...they said it was because Rory had sex with Amy in the Tardis on their wedding night. I walways thought the Dr and Amy were deliberatly mated...as part of the agenda of the Aliens from the JFK episodes.Theory about who she kills:
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I don't recall them saying it was specifically the Doctor's DNA, just Timelord DNA. I could be wrong though (have to watch it again).
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I don't recall them saying it was specifically the Doctor's DNA, just Timelord DNA. I could be wrong though (have to watch it again).Just remember River has DNA from the Doctor...they said it was because Rory had sex with Amy in the Tardis on their wedding night. I walways thought the Dr and Amy were deliberatly mated...as part of the agenda of the Aliens from the JFK episodes.Theory about who she kills:
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That is correct, the DNA was specifically mentioned to be Timelord, not the Doctor's. That was why they had the whole discussion about how exposure to the vortex in the TARDIS may have mutated Melody's genetic structure.
The TARDIS planed it all.
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The TARDIS planed it all.Based on her responding to Jenny before she existed... this wouldn't surprise me.
Actually I am beginning to think that River was taken to Galafrey. It would explain a lot, such as how she knows how to fly a TARDIS, how she can read Galafreian, how she knows the Doctor's name, and a few other thing. Plus who would need a weapon against the Doctor more than his own people who he has wiped from the face of the galaxy not once, but twice now. Plus if, as someone up thread suggested, The Flesh is the first steps towards Regeneration then it just adds on more piece to figuring out what is going on.
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Plus who would need a weapon against the Doctor more than his [own] people...The Daleks.
You make a good point here. I do recall reading an article a while back where Moffett said he felt that the Daleks had been over used in the last few years and that he did not intend on using them for awhile, so I do not think the Daleks are behind this.
Actually I am beginning to think that River was taken to Galafrey. It would explain a lot, such as how she knows how to fly a TARDIS, how she can read Galafreian, how she knows the Doctor's name, and a few other thing.
The trouble with that is that River's life has started and ended after the Time War and all of Gallifrey's history is Time Locked. The most predictable thing (and therefore I hope it doesn't happen) is at the end of this series we get a montage of the Doctor and River having a long if disjointed life together (just like in Christmas Carol).
Plus who would need a weapon against the Doctor more than his own people who he has wiped from the face of the galaxy not once, but twice now. Plus if, as someone up thread suggested, The Flesh is the first steps towards Regeneration then it just adds on more piece to figuring out what is going on.
I hope The Flesh isn't proto-regeneration. It just doesn't sit right and I'm not that keen on the magic of the Doctor being given fixed explainations, it cheapens it somehow.
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Re: Jack....you'd have thought a walking fixed point in time would be the go to guy for taking on an asteroid of trigger happy priests. Then again the Tardis has a personal problem with Jack. And what happens if you have Jack and Amy in the same room, or Jack and River.....
I heard that John Barrowman wanted to be in the episode but the schedules didn't work out. But I don't remember the source so it could be a baseless twitter rumor.
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Is it just me, or does the latest trailer for the second half of the series make it look like River, and the woman who has stolen Baby river, are the same person at different points in their timeline?
I know that this doesn't mesh with how we know River dies.
It's just the eye patch thing....
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Is it just me, or does the latest trailer for the second half of the series make it look like River, and the woman who has stolen Baby river, are the same person at different points in their timeline?
I know that this doesn't mesh with how we know River dies.
It's just the eye patch thing....
What if the eye patch lady is the River from the Peteverse? Wouldn't that be a hoot?
Is it just me, or does the latest trailer for the second half of the series make it look like River, and the woman who has stolen Baby river, are the same person at different points in their timeline?
I know that this doesn't mesh with how we know River dies.
It's just the eye patch thing....
If River/Melody can regenerate (as hinted in the first half of the series) it works if River was the Eye Patch Lady first, and it's in that incarnation she kills "a good man". Maybe she gets mortally wounded in the process and regenerates into a slightly nicer person, or riven with guilt she regenerates for a fresh start....
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Well it's been on and all I can say is..Hmmmmm.
Had to laugh though for the rest off you Amy's last line in 'Lets Kill Hitler' is pure Invernessian in it's accent something she doesn't slip into very often..
