Hi,
I am thinking of making a character based off of Iron Man and wanted to know if you had any ideas of what class would be the best.
A Paladin has the toughness and durability, and use a bow to represent the firepower.
A Magus can have the right type of firepower and use Mage Armor to create the look, but lacks the durability.
A Wizard has the magic ability to create everything but has no fighting ability.
Any suggestions?
Actually, In a clash with the brotherhood of evil mutants back in 1986, in cross over issues of xmen and the avengers, the Brotherhood considered iron man the most powerful avenger, although some of them really feared wonderman more, he was easily taken out by rogue.
Arcane duelist doesnt need the arcane armor feat chain. It's like a magus in that respect.
Magus would have access to alot more rays than the bard.
Personally, I would look deep into a gunslinger/inquisitor for this build.
Alternatively? If you have all the PDFs (just three bucks each) for the advanced options alchemist and advanced feats alchemist, you could make him an alchemist/gunslinger as spagyric devices would give him his "powered suit" and work in synergy with wielding two blunderbuss's as "blasters"
You could make him fly and add strength with spagyric devices, maybe take a few levels of inquisitor for the armor and judgements? If you don't want spells there is a PDF for the full BAB/no caster inquisitor...
You'd need to tack on the armor somehow, both the slinger and the alchemist are light armor types.
Ok, here is my take on Iron-Man in D&D
Iron man at his start to Iron Man today
Would go with Wizard/Fighter/Eldritch Knight.
Stage 1 = Tony Stark = W 1
Stage 2 = W 5 / F 1 /Ek 1
Stage 3 = W 7 / F 1 / EK 1
Stage 4 = W 7 / F 1 / EK 10
Stage 5 = W 9 / F 1 / EK 10
Tony Stark, started out as a Pampered, Rich-boy, who was a engineer. Would change the Engineer to Wizard in a D&D world. He did not start out as a fighter.
Stage 2 = Take the Item Creation Feats as soon as possible = Craft Wondrous Items & Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Wands.
This is Iron Man, the first, the proto-type (steel colored)
Stage 3 = Take the item creation Feats as soon as possible = Forge Ring
This is when Iron man, gets his start as the Red and Yellow suit
Stage 4 = Now your getting into the feel and fun of using your magic items. In your armor, your the man, with all the Blasters, Force Shields, Magic Senors, Fly, Armor, etc.
Iron Man the Hero. Has different suits.
Stage 5 = Went with extra level as wizard, because his true strength lyes in his armor and magic. It is the Magic items he creates, that give him the enjoyment as Tony Stark the Person.
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He is bloody Rich ( Ignore Wealth limits for level ), when creating magic items for his armor/wear. Otherwise treat him as if he was +5 level higher than what is listed for is wealth.
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Iron Man, is not the best fighter in the Marvel world. His strength and power comes from his power suit. In a magic world, that would be the Magic armor and suit. Tony Strak, also love creating new things and new inventions, so that is were true strength, as a wizard/engineer.
Magic Items should be treated as Disposable items to him. He is not worried about them being used up or breaking, because he can always build or make more. After stage 3, he should have more than one suit built up, and ready to go.
(note to DM, most if not all magic items should be built into the armor. Any magic item not built into the armor, should be large, heavy, and come from his +5 wealth level limit.)
Lastly, As a Main Character. Tony Stark works best as a NPC. As his wealth level breaks the game, vs most other players.
Anyway, that how i see Iron-man.
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Listed below an example of a magic item = That could be built, based on lower wealth levels, or one could look at it as lower tech levels. As the character advance in level, better wealth and income would allow better & more stable magic items.
Example of magic item
Boots of Overland Flight
Note: The above assume the boots as a Wondrous item.
User can activate the boots, to gain the Overland Flight spell, as the spell, as if cast by a 9th level wizard. These boots may be activated up to 5 timer per day.
(If the boots are created at lesser cost, with a total number of charges before dis-enchanted, then this uses up one of the charges per activation. The boots, still can not be activated more than 5 times in a daily period.).
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Use-Activated (SL 5 x CL 9 x 2,000) = 90,000
Duration = Overland Flight 1 hour/level = zero x 90,000 = 90,000 gp
Charges per Day = Divide by (5 divided by charges per day) = In this case lets just say ability is usable 5 timer per day max = 1 modifer x 90,000 = 90,000 gp
(Middle Iron-Man type)
Total Charges item has before item is Disenchanted. Used to reduce over all cost of item, for lower level character and limited use-sage.
50 Charge = 1/2 cost = 45,000 gp retail / 22,500 gp creation.
25 Charge = 1/4 cost = 22,500 gp retail / 11,250 gp creation.
12 Charge = 1/8 cost = 11,250 gp retail / 5,625 gp creation.
Below Recommended to simulate technology constantly needing to be repaired or recharged.
(Early Iron-man type)
6 Charge = 1/16 cost = 5,625 gp retail / 2,813 gp creation.
3 Charge = 1/32 cost = 2,813 gp retail / 1,407 gp creation.
1 Charge = 1/64 cost = 1,407 gp retail / 704 gp creation.
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medium Charisma, high Intelligence, medium Wisdom
regular physical stat (as an average human, so 10 or 11)
he relies on science/tech and not magic, so any non-spellcasting class with high skill point count works
however he doesn't sing much and is not great at inspiring people (he works best alone), so forget about bard
rogue seems the best class overall (disable device seems right up his alley); rogue/alchemist is probably it: bombs!!
give him the Master Craftsman feat, and all other magic craft feats.
give him a lot of different Craft skills
give him magic items that increase craft skills or speed it up perhaps via fabricate spell (to replicate the "Jarvis" suite of robots and computers shown in the movie)
for the suit I like the intelligent armor suggested in a previous post
It's not Pathfinder, but you could go with a Warforged Warlock. :p
You could always skip the middle-man and play a Magitech Templar
How about the Juggernaut that is currently in alpha design from Dreamscarred Press. This new class will be in Psionics Expanded and may just fit your bill.
Magus 7/Fighter3 with the trait Armor Expert, and Mithral Folding Plate and Sash of the war champion. Full movement in full-plate, and you can get into and out of the armor a lot like in the movie. You have the fly spell, and spell to act like the high tech weapons in the armor.
Ok now that a couple of years has gone by on this thread & a bunch of archetype/class options are available.
I'm starting up a new campaign & my wife is really interested in playing an Ironman concept. My brain thought some type of archetype of Artificer from Tome of Secrets, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anybody had some homerun ideas/concepts?.... It'd really help me out.
Also I believe Anachronistic Adventures had some sort of "Tinkerer" class in the Investigator book. Not sure how that works or if your GM will allow it though.
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Ok now that a couple of years has gone by on this thread & a bunch of archetype/class options are available.
I'm starting up a new campaign & my wife is really interested in playing an Ironman concept. My brain thought some type of archetype of Artificer from Tome of Secrets, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anybody had some homerun ideas/concepts?.... It'd really help me out.
Dreamscarred Press, Aegis.
Summoner, Synth archtype.
Those two give the basic character concept of a custom "suit". Aegis is probably more suitable and less difficult to construct and use.
I'll be sure to check that out. I've gotta check & see if there have been any archetypes for the Tome of Secrets material as well
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If you just want to use base Pathfinder material to create what an Iron Man analog would probably be in a 'typical' Pathfinder setting: How about a Gun Tank?
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Another vote for synthesist here.
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If you just want to use base Pathfinder material to create what an Iron Man analog would probably be in a 'typical' Pathfinder setting: How about a Gun Tank?
In a "normal game" bullet defection is pretty much useless, then you trade away feats (for a class that is normally feat starved) for armor training, in general it is a poor archtype.
If we're talking pathfinder only; Synth would be significantly more useful, have the advantage of being able to do what the concept requires and allow you to spend your wealth on shoring up the loose ends. The Gun Tank would require you to spend all your wealth to get even close to the concept and still fall short in many respects.
INTERESTING! I hadn't even considered the synthesist. Summoner doesn't has access to the more (in my mind) Ironman like spells-Evocation stuff, but there's probably a way around that.
The Gun tank is cool as well, but won't work for my home game.
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another +1 for summoner[sythesist]... the suit becomes supernatural instead of mechanical, but its probably the closest you'll get.
well... the closest across all levels- if you're focusing on higher levels a blaster wizard with craft construct could build a shield guardian golem to hide inside (and use fly spells on)
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I put a gnome pyromaniac in a synthesist suit with alchemist (grenadier) levels to simulate Iron Man in our gestalt game.
I run gestalt as well, so that'd work.
i forgot about construct armor! that is a nice fit- though you'd need to figure out what you'll do about the ASF%
in a gestalt campaign synthesist/blaster sorcerer would work really well
I tried the Words of Power sorcerer gambit for Iron Man, but our campaign was just too low of a level to pull it off.
Alchemists can crank out bombs with smoke, stink and other effects, they can pick up the explosive missile discovery, my GM handwaved the "goblins only" restriction on rocket bombs, etc. The grenadier can also salt regular weapons with alchemical goodies like flash powder. I plan on getting a tumor familiar for Jarvis when I have a discovery or feat slot available...possibly a bat so I can take advantage of its "radar".
I'm only 3rd level and I can already pull of a lot of these tricks. I'd have had to wait a lot longer and have fewer "missiles" per day going the sorcerer route. If your campaign is starting at a higher level it might be a pretty sweet option, though.
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The construct way of attacking would depend on how it takes order mostly, if you need to use some obscure item to give orders to your golem you are out of luck, if you give orders to your golem with just your voice, could work fine. The way you give orders to a golem, even in the craft construct part is up to interpretation, generally most casters go for voice command.
As for the stats, you most likely would use the golem strength but you still use your base attack bonus, since after all the golem is only moving under your commands.
It definitely give you the look putting it on and off, of course not the most optimal option. Frankly if you just want the optimal option, synthesist summoner do the job just fine.
I have long pondered synthesist summoner for an iron man build, it's the best way to be playing your concept right from day one. My one problem is a reliable way to do the repulsor blast at early levels, I can wait for fly, but a beam attack at early levels is a must. Has anyone found a way around this?
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I have long pondered synthesist summoner for an iron man build, it's the best way to be playing your concept right from day one. My one problem is a reliable way to do the repulsor blast at early levels, I can wait for fly, but a beam attack at early levels is a must. Has anyone found a way around this?
A high UMD and wands are probably your only way to get a decent amount of rays.
He definitely has to have a level of Drunken Brute barbarian.
For visual reference, there are some good medieval depictions of various Avengers, notably in the Avataars mini-series, although my favorite is Kurt Busiek and George Perez' Queen's Vengeance.
They REALLY need to create a "Clockwork Appearance" ability for the eidolon...like Undead and Celestial appearance :)
You may want to check out the Machinesmith from Louis Porter Jr. Design. One of the greatworks I did for their Neoexodus Chronicles: Cutting Edge Machinesmith supplement - the mobius suit - was designed to accomodate an Iron Man or similar concept.
They REALLY need to create a "Clockwork Appearance" ability for the eidolon...like Undead and Celestial appearance :)
You can just fluff it to be clockwork. Your edilidion is form mechanus or something.