Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
And none of it addresses the real problem of animal rape by presidents.
Furthermore, consider this:
You park in a driveway, but you drive on a parkway.
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Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
And none of it addresses the real problem of animal rape by presidents.
Furthermore, consider this:
You park in a driveway, but you drive on a parkway.
Also, you ship things by truck, yet ships carry cargo!
Oh, the humanoidity!
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wow.You folks do realise that most of what you propose is beyond the powers constitutionally granted a President. how about some real answers here?Hell, the presidents we've had since FDR (and a few earlier ones) don’t bother limiting themselves to the Constitution, in promises or the real exercise of power, so why should these posters? Our vaunted constitutional republic is a hollow shell, at this point.Consider this:
Since the 'New Deal' we have seen a massive expansion of the federal government into infrastructure, education, healthcare, retirement and a whole bunch of other areas that are not found among its enumerated powers.
The Tenth Amendment makes it crystal clear that all powers not granted are withheld from the federal government, and reserved to the states and the people. Why has this law, which Jefferson once called 'the whole theory of the Constitution', been ignored?
Over the last several decades we have seen the continual erosion of civil liberties in the name of 'War'- war on drugs, war on poverty, war on terror, etc. We have been asked, over and over again, to trade freedom for security. As Franklin warned us, we are losing both.
Since WW2 we have fought many wars, but never with a formal, legal declaration of war. Our Constitution places the power and responsibility to declare war with Congress, and ONLY with Congress.
What a sad little one sided world you must live in.
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Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
And none of it addresses the real problem of animal rape by presidents.
Furthermore, consider this:
You park in a driveway, but you drive on a parkway.
I think that we should all be asking "What would Joss Whedon do as president?"
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I think that we should all be asking "What would Joss Whedon do as president?"Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
And none of it addresses the real problem of animal rape by presidents.
Furthermore, consider this:
You park in a driveway, but you drive on a parkway.
A large vessel to send us all to the 'Verse. Or unleashing the hordes of pent up vampire angst.
Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
And none of it addresses the real problem of animal rape by presidents.
Furthermore, consider this:
You park in a driveway, but you drive on a parkway.
I withdraw my candidacy
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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I think that we should all be asking "What would Joss Whedon do as president?"Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
And none of it addresses the real problem of animal rape by presidents.
Furthermore, consider this:
You park in a driveway, but you drive on a parkway.
I think we should all be working on a write-in campaign.
Oooh! I thought of something else I'd do. Tear down the statue of liberty and replace it with a statue of Seoni!
Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
And none of it addresses the real problem of animal rape by presidents.
Furthermore, consider this:
You park in a driveway, but you drive on a parkway.
Also, you ship things by truck, yet ships carry cargo!
Oh, the humanoidity!
I think that we should all be asking "What would Joss Whedon do as president?"Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
And none of it addresses the real problem of animal rape by presidents.
Furthermore, consider this:
You park in a driveway, but you drive on a parkway.
I'm moving to Canada if this happens.
What a sad little one sided world you must live in.
Instead of launching a petty personal attack, you might have actually tried to address my points.
There was a point?Instead of launching a petty personal attack, you might have actually tried to address my points.
What a sad little one sided world you must live in.
Actually at TOP, he raises some interesting points. He may be a budding minarchist, if I am getting my political stuff right.
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Instead of launching a petty personal attack, you might have actually tried to address my points.
Instead of recycling the same strawmen that have been provided in every other politics thread since the creation of the internets, and requesting the strawmen on the opposite side be presented, you could just search the forums for a similar politics thread and read that.
Also, the Tenth Amendment doesn't work that way. At least not according to legal scholars. Or the Supreme Court. But, hey, you're the first layman to read it and make the argument that it says something different, so maybe this novel theory of yours will take root in American jurisprudence and blossom into a new era of states rights, where we all have flying cars and no animals are raped by heads of state.
Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
A poster expressed amazement at my earlier statement about the abuse of power and the decline of constitutional government, so I provided a broad outline of where we've gone wrong, as I see it. I can back up every point with facts, well-reasoned historical and legal arguments, etc.
If you would like to engage in a rational discussion of these ideas, I'd be happy to do so. I do not expect that you will necessarily agree with me.
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Instead of launching a petty personal attack, you might have actually tried to address my points.Instead of recycling the same strawmen that have been provided in every other politics thread since the creation of the internets, and requesting the strawmen on the opposite side be presented, you could just search the forums for a similar politics thread and read that.
Also, the Tenth Amendment doesn't work that way. At least not according to legal scholars. Or the Supreme Court. But, hey, you're the first layman to read it and make the argument that it says something different, so maybe this novel theory of yours will take root in American jurisprudence and blossom into a new era of states rights, where we all have flying cars and no animals are raped by heads of state.
Ah man flying cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Consider this:
Everything you've posted above can, has, and likely will be disputed.
A poster expressed amazement at my earlier statement about the abuse of power and the decline of constitutional government, so I provided a broad outline of where we've gone wrong, as I see it. I can back up every point with facts, well-reasoned historical and legal arguments, etc.
If you would like to engage in a rational discussion of these ideas, I'd be happy to do so. I do not expect that you will necessarily agree with me.
These boards has seen those discussions Ad nauseam. The straw men have been burnt. Just tired of the same old same old.
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Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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A poster expressed amazement at my earlier statement about the abuse of power and the decline of constitutional government, so I provided a broad outline of where we've gone wrong, as I see it. I can back up every point with facts, well-reasoned historical and legal arguments, etc.
If you would like to engage in a rational discussion of these ideas, I'd be happy to do so. I do not expect that you will necessarily agree with me.
Yeah...I've seen how that works in other threads, and I'll pass.
Anyone else want to play strawman rape tag with ewan? I'm dedicated to making off-topic remarks and snarky comments, but surely one of you good folks still enjoys the novelty of an internet discussion of politics.
Anyone?
Ok, how about this? We talk about something other than politics. I've been playing this really cool game with my friends. It's called Pathfinder. You pretend to be a hero slaying dragons and stuff.
Or, you can pretend to play the game and just come here and talk about politics. That's fun too. Not as fun as running with scissors though. I recommend doing that first and then engaging in an internet discussion of politics.
Instead of launching a petty personal attack, you might have actually tried to address my points.Instead of recycling the same strawmen that have been provided in every other politics thread since the creation of the internets, and requesting the strawmen on the opposite side be presented, you could just search the forums for a similar politics thread and read that.
Also, the Tenth Amendment doesn't work that way. At least not according to legal scholars. Or the Supreme Court. But, hey, you're the first layman to read it and make the argument that it says something different, so maybe this novel theory of yours will take root in American jurisprudence and blossom into a new era of states rights, where we all have flying cars and no animals are raped by heads of state.
It's not a novel theory. It's often called 'strict construction' and it's been around since the beginning of our current Constitution. Have you ever read the VA or KY resolutions? I suggest that you do some research on states' rights, federalism, the debates over the nature of the Union, etc.
Are you only familiar with your own views, or have you taken time to read the views of others?
If you are interested in the views of legal scholars, you should look up Dr. Kevin Gutzman. He's just a starter for you.
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Consider this:
- Lincoln's name has 7 letters
- Kennedy's name has 7 letters
- In Lincoln's & Kennedy's names the vowels & consonants fall in exactly the same place;***
in the order c, v, c, c, v, c, c
- Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846
- Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946
- Lincoln was elected president in 1860
- Kennedy was elected president in 1960
- Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln
- International bankers may have arranged the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy
- Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address on November 19, 1863
- Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963
- Lincoln was loved by the common people and hated by the establishment
- Kennedy was loved by the common people and hated by the establishment
- Lincoln was succeeded, after assassination, by vice-president Johnson
- Kennedy was succeeded, after assassination, by vice-president Johnson
- Andrew Johnson was born in 1808
- Lyndon Johnson was born in 1908
- Andrew Johnson's name has 13 letters
- Lyndon Johnson's name has 13 letters
- Andrew Johnson had a pug nose and slicked-back hair
- Lyndon Johnson had a pug nose and slicked-back hair
- Lincoln was sitting beside his wife when he was shot
- Kennedy was sitting beside his wife when he was shot
- Rathbone, who was with Lincoln when he was shot, was injured (by being stabbed)
- Connally, who was with Kennedy when he was shot, was injured (by being shot)
- Rathbone's name has 8 letters
- Connally's name has 8 letters
- Lincoln's wife held his head in her lap after he was shot
- Kennedy's wife held his head in her lap after he was shot
- Lincoln was shot on a Friday
- Kennedy was shot on a Friday
- Lincoln was shot in a theatre named Ford
- Kennedy was shot in a car made by Ford
- Kennedy was shot in a car named Lincoln
- Lincoln's bodyguard was away from his post at the door of the President's box at the theatre
- Kennedy's bodyguards were away from their posts on the running-boards of the President's car
- Lincoln was shot in a theatre and his assassin ran to a warehouse
- JFK was shot from a warehouse and his alleged assassin ran to a theatre
- Lincoln's assassin had a three-worded name, John Wilkes Booth
- Kennedy's alleged assassin had a three-worded name, Lee Harvey Oswald
- John Wilkes Booth has 15 letters
- Lee Harvey Oswald has 15 letters
- John Wilkes Boothe was born in 1839 (s/b 1838)
- Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939
- Lincoln didn't die immediately after being shot
- Kennedy didn't die immediately after being shot
- Andrew Johnson was a heavy drinker with crude behaviour
- Lyndon Johnson was a heavy drinker with crude behaviour
- There were conspiracy theories that Johnson was knowledgeable about Lincoln's assassination
- There were conspiracy theories that Johnson was knowledgeable about Kennedy's assassination
- Days before it happened Lincoln told his wife and friends about a dream he'd had of being shot by an assassin
- Hours before it happened Kennedy told his wife and friends it would be easy for an assassin to shoot him from a crowd
- Lincoln had 2 sons named Robert and Edward. Edward died young and Robert lived on.
- Kennedy had 2 brothers named Robert and Edward. Robert died young and Edward lived on
- the whole world cried when Lincoln died
- the whole world cried when Kennedy died
- Lincoln's funeral train travelled from Washington-DC to New York
- Kennedy's brother's funeral train travelled from New York to Washington-DC
- Jefferson Davis was the name of the president of the Confederate states while Lincoln was president of the Union states
- Jefferson Davis Tippit was the name of the police officer killed allegedly by Kennedy's alleged assassin
1. Give my political enemies everything they want.
2. Wait. If my enemies are right, the country is a better place, and I can stop being the problem and get out of the way. If they are wrong, then they are discredited and they can stop being the problem and get out of the way.*
*This only works if people make rational decisions based on the available evidence. So, y'know, probably not in the US. But we can always hope, right?
Consider this:
- Lincoln's name has 7 letters
- Kennedy's name has 7 letters- In Lincoln's & Kennedy's names the vowels & consonants fall in exactly the same place;***
in the order c, v, c, c, v, c, c- Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846
- Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946- Lincoln was elected president in 1860
- Kennedy was elected president in 1960- Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln
- International bankers may have arranged the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy
- Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address on November 19, 1863
- Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963- Lincoln was loved by the common people and hated by the establishment
- Kennedy was loved by the common people and hated by the establishment- Lincoln was succeeded, after assassination, by vice-president Johnson
- Kennedy was succeeded, after assassination, by vice-president Johnson- Andrew Johnson was born in 1808
- Lyndon Johnson was born in 1908- Andrew Johnson's name has 13 letters
- Lyndon Johnson's name has 13 letters- Andrew Johnson had a pug nose and slicked-back hair
- Lyndon Johnson had a pug nose and slicked-back hair- Lincoln was sitting beside his wife when he was shot
- Kennedy was sitting beside his wife when he was shot- Rathbone, who was with Lincoln when he was shot, was injured (by being stabbed)
- Connally, who was with Kennedy when he was shot, was injured (by being shot)
- Rathbone's name has 8 letters
- Connally's name has 8 letters- Lincoln's wife held his head in her lap after he was shot
- Kennedy's wife held his head in her lap after he was shot- Lincoln was shot on a Friday
- Kennedy was shot on a Friday- Lincoln was shot in a theatre named Ford
- Kennedy was shot in a car made by Ford- Kennedy was shot in a car named Lincoln
- Lincoln's bodyguard was away from his post at the door of the President's box at the theatre
- Kennedy's bodyguards were away from their posts on the running-boards of the...
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It's not a novel theory. It's often called 'strict construction' and it's been around since the beginning of our current Constitution. Have you ever read the VA or KY resolutions? I suggest that you do some research on states' rights, federalism, the debates over the nature of the Union, etc.
Are you only familiar with your own views, or have you taken time to read the views of others?
If you are interested in the views of legal scholars, you should look up Dr. Kevin Gutzman. He's just a starter for you.
If you're interested in legal scholars and strict construction, or the evolution of American legal jurisprudence and constitutional interpretation, you can go to law school. That's what I did.
I'm aware of the arguments. I'm also aware of the poor strawmen versions you've presented. I'm not interested in discussing the topic with you based on what you've presented. Best of luck finding someone who is.
These boards has seen those discussions Ad nauseam. The straw men have been burnt. Just tired of the same old same old.
I don't think that you've presented any strawmen, nor have I. I simply stated my views in strong, clear terms. You posted 'wow', so I thought I'd give you some further explanation.
If you've had bad previous experiences in political discussions, I understand. There's no need to be personally rude to me when I am being polite to you, though.
I don't even go on the 'Conservatives chatroom' anymore, because one word of criticism about illegal settlements in the West Bank or the handling of Iraq and a man gets labeled a 'Jew-hater, Muslim-loving, anti-American traitor.'
It's tiresome to deal with people whose only means of responding to political differences is by personal insults.
Not only that, I can back up every point with facts, well-reasoned historical and legal arguments, etc.
Please do, then.
Consider this:
- Lincoln's name has 7 letters
- Kennedy's name has 7 letters- In Lincoln's & Kennedy's names the vowels & consonants fall in exactly the same place;***
in the order c, v, c, c, v, c, c- Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846
- Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946- Lincoln was elected president in 1860
- Kennedy was elected president in 1960- Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln
- International bankers may have arranged the assassinations of Lincoln and Kennedy
- Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address on November 19, 1863
- Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963- Lincoln was loved by the common people and hated by the establishment
- Kennedy was loved by the common people and hated by the establishment- Lincoln was succeeded, after assassination, by vice-president Johnson
- Kennedy was succeeded, after assassination, by vice-president Johnson- Andrew Johnson was born in 1808
- Lyndon Johnson was born in 1908- Andrew Johnson's name has 13 letters
- Lyndon Johnson's name has 13 letters- Andrew Johnson had a pug nose and slicked-back hair
- Lyndon Johnson had a pug nose and slicked-back hair- Lincoln was sitting beside his wife when he was shot
- Kennedy was sitting beside his wife when he was shot- Rathbone, who was with Lincoln when he was shot, was injured (by being stabbed)
- Connally, who was with Kennedy when he was shot, was injured (by being shot)
- Rathbone's name has 8 letters
- Connally's name has 8 letters- Lincoln's wife held his head in her lap after he was shot
- Kennedy's wife held his head in her lap after he was shot- Lincoln was shot on a Friday
- Kennedy was shot on a Friday- Lincoln was shot in a theatre named Ford
- Kennedy was shot in a car made by Ford- Kennedy was shot in a car named Lincoln
- Lincoln's bodyguard was away from his post at the door of the President's box at the theatre
- Kennedy's bodyguards were away from their posts on the running-boards of the...
Ah, I hadn't realized this was the sort of thing you learned in law school. :)
Consumate the victory with my wife on the Presidential desk in the oval office?
You know it's happened before, but damn me if I'm going to miss that opportunity.
(Or has this already been said in the thread? I'll admit to not reading the whole thing... I'm flawed.)
Actually at TOP, he raises some interesting points. He may be a budding minarchist, if I am getting my political stuff right.
I'd call myself a paleoconservative, but minarchists and libertarians do get my sympathy on a number of issues.
You folks do realise that most of what you propose is beyond the powers constitutionally granted a President. how about some real answers here?
I am very sure that the president has the power to have Justin Bieber waterboarded and shot out of a cannon at the cast Jersey Shore...
To quote the great political philosopher Denis Leary.
"Two words--nuclear f!!!ing weapons, OK? Russia, Germany, Romania - they can have all the democracy they want. They can have a democracy cakewalk right through the middle of Tiananmen Square and it won't make a lick of difference, because we’ve got the bombs, OK? John Wayne's not dead - he's frozen! And when we find a cure for cancer, we're gonna thaw out the Duke and he's gonna be pretty pissed off. You know why? You ever taken a cold shower? Well, multiply that by 15 million times. That's how pissed off the Duke's gonna be."
Day 1: All religions except conservative Christianity are outlawed, under penalty of extreme torture and loss of citizenship. The Constitution is put on hold in favor of the Book of Leviticus.
Day 2: All religions except Islam are banned, under penalty of extreme torture and loss of citizenship. The Constitution is put on hold in favor of Sharia law.
Day 3: All religions are banned, under penalty of extreme torture and loss of citizenship. A modified Constitution is used, in which every clause that doesn't mention God (i.e., ALL of them) get the added statement: "By the way, there is no God, and anyone who says there is is stark raving nutso and gets sent to Guantanamo."
Day 4: Reinstate the actual Constitution. Ask people if they're really still so dead-set against the idea of separation of church and state.
Day 5: Resign.
You folks do realise that most of what you propose is beyond the powers constitutionally granted a President. how about some real answers here?I am very sure that the president has the power to have Justin Bieber waterboarded and shot out of a cannon at the cast of Jersey Shore...
He ought to have such power, at any rate. We'd need an amendment, of course.:)
I removed a post and the replies to it. Do not make bigoted, hateful, or racially insensitive statements.
Also, flag it and move on.
Its supposed to be a game. Not a flamewar. :)
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I think that some people think that the flamewar is the game.I removed a post and the replies to it. Do not make bigoted, hateful, or racially insensitive statements.
Also, flag it and move on.
Its supposed to be a game. Not a flamewar. :)
You mean it isn't? Then why did they give me this flamethrower?
I think that some people think that the flamewar is the game.I removed a post and the replies to it. Do not make bigoted, hateful, or racially insensitive statements.
Also, flag it and move on.
Its supposed to be a game. Not a flamewar. :)
I am sure, but I was enjoying reading everyone's responses, before the trolling started.
I missed the comments and replies that Ross removed, but I'm glad of it.
I agree with Solnes about the undesirability of trolling and flamewars.
1. Send out for hookers and blow.
2. Have Jessica Alba summoned to the Oval Office.
3. Do my wife on the desk in the Oval Office.
4. Do Ms. Alba and my wife on the desk in the Oval Office.
5. Renew my PF subs.
~Adds votes.~
Lets see here, add the one, and carry the... now subtract..... and.... that's one!
You mean it isn't? Then why did they give me this flamethrower?I think that some people think that the flamewar is the game.I removed a post and the replies to it. Do not make bigoted, hateful, or racially insensitive statements.
Also, flag it and move on.
Its supposed to be a game. Not a flamewar. :)
I was hoping that you'd burn down that house next door, man those people get on my nerves.
1. Send out for hookers and blow.
2. Have Jessica Alba summoned to the Oval Office.
3. Do my wife on the desk in the Oval Office.
4. Do Ms. Alba and my wife on the desk in the Oval Office.
5. Renew my PF subs.
~Adds votes.~
Lets see here, add the one, and carry the... now subtract..... and.... that's one!
So you dont count my vote...what am I a hanging chad?????