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Limeylongears wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

As a thought exercise I decided to figure out how much I should charge per pie if I wanted to sell pies and break even.

I'd have to charge at least 30 for a fruit pie (10 dollars for ingredients, 20 for an hour of labor (actual labor is closer to an hour and a half).

And 25 for custard type pies.

So yeah, I definitely won't be able to make a profit doing that because no one in the Midwest will want to spend 30 bucks on one pie.

I went into our neighborhood market yesterday. The chichi pie bakery nearby had a table set up with boxes of apple ($45) and bourbon pecan ($60).

I'm glad I can bake.

I saw a latke-and-pastrami sandwich for sale for $31 (in New York, admittedly), and thought, 'Blast my eyes, £26 for a sandwich?!', but if pies are going for $60, that sounds less unreasonable.

what was the name of the place?


NobodysHome wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

As a thought exercise I decided to figure out how much I should charge per pie if I wanted to sell pies and break even.

I'd have to charge at least 30 for a fruit pie (10 dollars for ingredients, 20 for an hour of labor (actual labor is closer to an hour and a half).

And 25 for custard type pies.

So yeah, I definitely won't be able to make a profit doing that because no one in the Midwest will want to spend 30 bucks on one pie.

I went into our neighborhood market yesterday. The chichi pie bakery nearby had a table set up with boxes of apple ($45) and bourbon pecan ($60).

I'm glad I can bake.

Those are downright California prices! Holy cow!

We did our usual "mail order pie" because our local baker retired to become a CPA a few years ago (one of our great local tragedies) and it was $50. Well, $49.99 and then we had to tack on a $10 jar of olives to put the order over $50 to get the free shipping.

(GothBard makes a killer maple pumpkin pie, but at her new job she doesn't get a reasonable amount of time off so it's easier for us to buy than bake.)

checks clock

It's Abscondin' time!


I have finished Prodeus.

If anyone is looking for a retro FPS shooter clone of classic Doom, that's the right game. Even early enemies look very like the ones from Doom - zombie soldiers, imps, and those large brute demons that charge you but lack ranged attack.

It starts very solid, though it gets more and more tedious, with very uneven levels showing up in later stages. The level before the last was excellent (and mixed Doom and Quake vibes). The final mission, on the other hand was a rather small combat arena with more and more enemies spawning all around that place. From the complaints in the review (having "I am disappointed" in the very title), I knew that the final mission is best handled with the swarmer - a launcher that fires bunch of (with alt fire) homing rockets that are the best way of dealing with the hordes of enemies that you need to face. If I hadn't know that before, and haven't saved the ore to buy that weapon in the shop, I'd be still stuck trying to complete that mission (or rage quitted already).

The music is excellent and fitting the game. The graphics is very retro, hard to assign a rate to that as that's a deliberate stylistic choice. The weapons themselves handle well, though switching weapons is a bit problematic - there are multiple weapons under each of 2-6 buttons, and you have to cycle through them if you want to use number buttons, or you can click select weapon button that shows you all of them and lets you pick with mouse, while pausing the the time, but I am not used to that way of selecting weapon.

The enemy selection is less than impressive, especially that multiple units are simply a reskin of earlier ones. The prodeus units (which are mostly, but not all, aforementioned reskin) are damage sponges. Which is problem with the most powerful one which is ridiculous tough, ridiculously powerful AND fast as hell. When two spawn around you just because, you are as good as dead unless you are lucky to be behind cover.

It took me nearly 15 hours to finish, but I have been replaying multiple levels to gather missing ore and buy upgrades.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
David M Mallon wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Because int and wis are two VERY different stats...
Was this at Syracuse?
Eyup....

Some things never change. Not the specifics, just the general tone of the place...


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So... one of the things Global Megacorporation sells is inventory management software. It should be one of our best-selling items, but it's not. Because everyone figures, "How hard could it be?"

Good Egg just took our goodwill towards them, threw it on the ground, stomped on it, heaped on some random animal feces, set it on fire, then danced the Macarena around it. They managed to perform an 8/10 epic fail of inventory management incompetence. (They only get 8 because a form of pie actually showed up and still at least on the day it was supposed to.)

Incompetence Step #1: Oversell
The classic blunder and the reason you need inventory management software. People order days, weeks, or even months in advance. You know how many pies your kitchen can produce. You cut off orders once that limit is reached. And you can easily manage cancellations up to 24 hours in advance by accepting late orders to re-fill.

Instead, we were told at 4:15 pm today that the bakery we'd ordered from had run out of pies, so instead they were going to get us a pie from a discount bulk sales pie shop.

Incompetence Step #2: Punish the customer for your mistakes
So, we were now going to get a discount pie. What did Good Egg do for us? We got store credit in the exact amount of the difference in pie prices. Which, at $30, tells you about what we expect for the quality of the pie we got. A $19 pie in the Bay Area? I am not hopeful. And store credit? "Well, we screwed you over this time, so here's a discount on the next time you want to order from us and get screwed over."

If you messed up your inventory management and you're giving the customer something of obvious inferior quality, you give them cash back, not store credit.

Incompetence Step #3: Don't hire a logistics person
Everything was ordered at least 48 hours in advance. They knew exactly how many deliveries they were going to have to make. And yet they were understaffed and overwhelmed. Because hiring day labor or paying temp drivers would cost money, and overworking your beleaguered staff is oh-so-much cheaper. So we got the pie an hour late and the delivery person pretty much threw it onto the porch. Having heard just how bad drivers have it, I blame corporate for this, not the driver.

Incompetence Step #4: Don't care
We got a HUGE cardboard box with nothing in it except a jar of olives. The pie was in a bubble wrap pack designed to protect a room-temperature pie. Since pumpkin pies need to be refrigerated, the person who packed it shoved an ice pack in with the pie, crushing it because the bubble wrap wasn't designed to have an ice pack in it, whereas the box was.

So yep, we got a late, crushed, discount pumpkin pie, and Good Egg's "apology" to us is to give us store credit in the amount of the difference between the pie prices.

Congratulations, Good Egg. You get public shaming and we'll never do business with you again. Way to cut corners to lose customers!


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Drejk wrote:
The more I read about Elden Ring lore the more appealing that game grows to me.

Yes! Join me!! We all float down and up here!


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I am visiting family in Colorado for Thanksgiving this year. Today was a big day as we did all the shopping for tomorrow. When we got back go the house, there was a pigeon waiting for us at the front door. This was clearly a Brooklyn pigeon by its markings and nyc attitude. It had injured its wing, but did not want to be pitied. That said, I offered it some torn up bread scattered on the lawn for him to find in privacy, away from paying eyes.


Freehold DM wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

As a thought exercise I decided to figure out how much I should charge per pie if I wanted to sell pies and break even.

I'd have to charge at least 30 for a fruit pie (10 dollars for ingredients, 20 for an hour of labor (actual labor is closer to an hour and a half).

And 25 for custard type pies.

So yeah, I definitely won't be able to make a profit doing that because no one in the Midwest will want to spend 30 bucks on one pie.

I went into our neighborhood market yesterday. The chichi pie bakery nearby had a table set up with boxes of apple ($45) and bourbon pecan ($60).

I'm glad I can bake.

I saw a latke-and-pastrami sandwich for sale for $31 (in New York, admittedly), and thought, 'Blast my eyes, £26 for a sandwich?!', but if pies are going for $60, that sounds less unreasonable.
what was the name of the place?

2nd Avenue Deli.


Limeylongears wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:

As a thought exercise I decided to figure out how much I should charge per pie if I wanted to sell pies and break even.

I'd have to charge at least 30 for a fruit pie (10 dollars for ingredients, 20 for an hour of labor (actual labor is closer to an hour and a half).

And 25 for custard type pies.

So yeah, I definitely won't be able to make a profit doing that because no one in the Midwest will want to spend 30 bucks on one pie.

I went into our neighborhood market yesterday. The chichi pie bakery nearby had a table set up with boxes of apple ($45) and bourbon pecan ($60).

I'm glad I can bake.

I saw a latke-and-pastrami sandwich for sale for $31 (in New York, admittedly), and thought, 'Blast my eyes, £26 for a sandwich?!', but if pies are going for $60, that sounds less unreasonable.
what was the name of the place?
2nd Avenue Deli.

They've always been overpriced.

Try Katz'.


NobodysHome wrote:

So... one of the things Global Megacorporation sells is inventory management software. It should be one of our best-selling items, but it's not. Because everyone figures, "How hard could it be?"

Good Egg just took our goodwill towards them, threw it on the ground, stomped on it, heaped on some random animal feces, set it on fire, then danced the Macarena around it. They managed to perform an 8/10 epic fail of inventory management incompetence. (They only get 8 because a form of pie actually showed up and still at least on the day it was supposed to.)

Incompetence Step #1: Oversell
The classic blunder and the reason you need inventory management software. People order days, weeks, or even months in advance. You know how many pies your kitchen can produce. You cut off orders once that limit is reached. And you can easily manage cancellations up to 24 hours in advance by accepting late orders to re-fill.

Instead, we were told at 4:15 pm today that the bakery we'd ordered from had run out of pies, so instead they were going to get us a pie from a discount bulk sales pie shop.

Incompetence Step #2: Punish the customer for your mistakes
So, we were now going to get a discount pie. What did Good Egg do for us? We got store credit in the exact amount of the difference in pie prices. Which, at $30, tells you about what we expect for the quality of the pie we got. A $19 pie in the Bay Area? I am not hopeful. And store credit? "Well, we screwed you over this time, so here's a discount on the next time you want to order from us and get screwed over."

If you messed up your inventory management and you're giving the customer something of obvious inferior quality, you give them cash back, not store credit.

Incompetence Step #3: Don't hire a logistics person
Everything was ordered at least 48 hours in advance. They knew exactly how many deliveries they were going to have to make. And yet they were understaffed and overwhelmed. Because hiring...

logistics are of utmost importance but since noone has a reliable crystal ball is often relegated to the back burner. And the hot seat if something DOES go wrong.


NobodysHome wrote:

So... one of the things Global Megacorporation sells is inventory management software. It should be one of our best-selling items, but it's not. Because everyone figures, "How hard could it be?"

Good Egg just took our goodwill towards them, threw it on the ground, stomped on it, heaped on some random animal feces, set it on fire, then danced the Macarena around it. They managed to perform an 8/10 epic fail of inventory management incompetence. (They only get 8 because a form of pie actually showed up and still at least on the day it was supposed to.)

Incompetence Step #1: Oversell
The classic blunder and the reason you need inventory management software. People order days, weeks, or even months in advance. You know how many pies your kitchen can produce. You cut off orders once that limit is reached. And you can easily manage cancellations up to 24 hours in advance by accepting late orders to re-fill.

Instead, we were told at 4:15 pm today that the bakery we'd ordered from had run out of pies, so instead they were going to get us a pie from a discount bulk sales pie shop.

Incompetence Step #2: Punish the customer for your mistakes
So, we were now going to get a discount pie. What did Good Egg do for us? We got store credit in the exact amount of the difference in pie prices. Which, at $30, tells you about what we expect for the quality of the pie we got. A $19 pie in the Bay Area? I am not hopeful. And store credit? "Well, we screwed you over this time, so here's a discount on the next time you want to order from us and get screwed over."

If you messed up your inventory management and you're giving the customer something of obvious inferior quality, you give them cash back, not store credit.

Incompetence Step #3: Don't hire a logistics person
Everything was ordered at least 48 hours in advance. They knew exactly how many deliveries they were going to have to make. And yet they were understaffed and overwhelmed. Because hiring...

...

Please tell me you're writing them one of your special letters.


lisamarlene wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
...

...

Please tell me you're writing them one of your special letters.

GothBard literally got them on the phone the night before Thanksgiving then sent them photos. With all that she managed to get us a cash refund for the pie and that's it.

"We promise you an artisan pie for your Thanksgiving," followed up by, "Oops, here's a crushed discount pie and a refund for the exact amount of the pie," doesn't cut it.

Still anjry.

But I have time this morning. I'll bake up a secondary dessert. Maybe some banana bread...

Sovereign Court

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NobodysHome wrote:

So... one of the things Global Megacorporation sells is inventory management software. It should be one of our best-selling items, but it's not. Because everyone figures, "How hard could it be?"

Good Egg just took our goodwill towards them, threw it on the ground, stomped on it, heaped on some random animal feces, set it on fire, then danced the Macarena around it. They managed to perform an 8/10 epic fail of inventory management incompetence. (They only get 8 because a form of pie actually showed up and still at least on the day it was supposed to.)

Incompetence Step #1: Oversell
The classic blunder and the reason you need inventory management software. People order days, weeks, or even months in advance. You know how many pies your kitchen can produce. You cut off orders once that limit is reached. And you can easily manage cancellations up to 24 hours in advance by accepting late orders to re-fill.

Instead, we were told at 4:15 pm today that the bakery we'd ordered from had run out of pies, so instead they were going to get us a pie from a discount bulk sales pie shop.

Incompetence Step #2: Punish the customer for your mistakes
So, we were now going to get a discount pie. What did Good Egg do for us? We got store credit in the exact amount of the difference in pie prices. Which, at $30, tells you about what we expect for the quality of the pie we got. A $19 pie in the Bay Area? I am not hopeful. And store credit? "Well, we screwed you over this time, so here's a discount on the next time you want to order from us and get screwed over."

If you messed up your inventory management and you're giving the customer something of obvious inferior quality, you give them cash back, not store credit.

Incompetence Step #3: Don't hire a logistics person
Everything was ordered at least 48 hours in advance. They knew exactly how many deliveries they were going to have to make. And yet they were understaffed and overwhelmed. Because hiring...

*Consumes Good Egg, then spits it out in disgust.*


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
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logistics are of utmost importance but since noone has a reliable crystal ball is often relegated to the back burner. And the hot seat if something DOES go wrong.

I am less forgiving because of my obsessive-compulsive nature. In my chaperoning days, the choir director asked me to manage the kitchen for the big madrigal event: 6 volunteer cooks preparing full meals for 200 guests. So the week before I sat down, took the menu, and itemized every single thing that had to be done and how long it would take to do it. I found the bottlenecks and figured out ways to mitigate them. Put the whole thing in a spreadsheet, added 10% to every time estimate because stuff happens, and then on the day of put it on a big whiteboard so everyone in the kitchen could see what they were supposed to be doing at any time.

It took me 5-6 hours of prep. And yet everyone marveled at how smoothly the kitchen ran that year.

You need ONE obsessive-compulsive person to work out your logistics. If you're a company with tens of thousands of customers, you'd better be hiring someone like that.

Otherwise you get a "Fail" from me.


Sometimes it's a tragedy being a picky cook.

People were trying to share their "Thanksgiving shortcuts" with me. One person kindly advised me, "Oh, I made everything a couple of days in advance. The mashed potatoes, the stuffing, the green bean casserole; everything's already cooked by the day before, so on Thanksgiving day all I need to do is roast the turkey and reheat everything else."

I admire that that person and their family can't tell (or don't care about) the difference between fresh mashed potatoes and reheated day-old mashed potatoes. Because my family wouldn't stand for such shenanigans, so today everything's being made fresh. (Just finished my first 2-hour stint and have about an hour off before the next big prep binge.)


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Wow...

Good Eggs' logistics team gets an F.

Good Eggs' crisis team gets an A+.

We just got the exact original pie we ordered (a pumpkin pie from Three Babes bakery) delivered before 1:00 pm on Thanksgiving. So the crisis team knows what the heck they're doing.

Pleased that Good Eggs managed to make everything right. Displeased that they had to.

EDIT: I mean, if you look at nothing but end results, we ended up getting two pies (one of them admittedly crushed) for free. But their first offer was store credit for the original pie swap. When GothBard complained that the pie was crushed in transit, their second offer was a sincere apology, but, "Things happen." It wasn't until GothBard got a real person's email address and sent them panoramic pictures of the crushed pie with, "This is what we'll be serving our family for Thanksgiving, and we'll be sure to tell them it's from Good Eggs," that we finally got action. So yes, the end result was what I'd've expected. But getting there was WAY too hard.


thanksgiving miracle.


NobodysHome wrote:

Wow...

Good Eggs' logistics team gets an F.

Good Eggs' crisis team gets an A+.

We just got the exact original pie we ordered (a pumpkin pie from Three Babes bakery) delivered before 1:00 pm on Thanksgiving. So the crisis team knows what the heck they're doing.

Pleased that Good Eggs managed to make everything right. Displeased that they had to.

EDIT: I mean, if you look at nothing but end results, we ended up getting two pies (one of them admittedly crushed) for free. But their first offer was store credit for the original pie swap. When GothBard complained that the pie was crushed in transit, their second offer was a sincere apology, but, "Things happen." It wasn't until GothBard got a real person's email address and sent them panoramic pictures of the crushed pie with, "This is what we'll be serving our family for Thanksgiving, and we'll be sure to tell them it's from Good Eggs," that we finally got action. So yes, the end result was what I'd've expected. But getting there was WAY too hard.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if they were getting enough of exaggerated complaints from people trying to get free stuff and all that crap, to make them wary of undocumented claims.


Remind me. Who is Frank, and what is he giving us?


Limeylongears wrote:
Remind me. Who is Frank, and what is he giving us?

Well, The last frank I just saw was a butcher. I bought all the stuff for Thanksgiving from there.


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Also HAPPY TURKEY DAY!


Freehold DM wrote:
Also HAPPY TURKEY DAY!

Weird, I always thought that was October 29th...


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Limeylongears wrote:
Remind me. Who is Frank, and what is he giving us?

Frank gives franks. Of course.

You Brits should be thankful too. After all, those horrible Puritans left your country and came over here to ruin things.


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Oh, can we abuse Puritans? Is that not politics? Woo hoo!

(Gets out sharp knives, pitchforks, and bared ankles...)


Might have been a mistake…


Waterhammer wrote:
Limeylongears wrote:
Remind me. Who is Frank, and what is he giving us?

Frank gives franks. Of course.

You Brits should be thankful too. After all, those horrible Puritans left your country and came over here to ruin things.

We still have plenty left, trust me...


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And I say unto thee, thine long eares are but ye Marke of ye Divil and an stynkyge Idol. How loathsome thou art, capering like a damned impe and wallowing in thy fleshly lustes, as thou gazeth upon ye corn on ye cobbe with a lecherous gleame in thine sin-clouded eyes!


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Wait, Limeylongears is one of the Impuses Impii Imps too?!


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The difference between a bad attorney and a good attorney is so palpable...

I'm doing my annual end-of-year paperwork cleansing. A couple of weeks ago I did my mother's folder: Last will, trust, various powers of attorney, etc. And every single one was an amendment to the previous one. So after 40+ years, her folder is hundreds of pages of likely-contradictory information. It's a complete squirrel's nest.

This was evidenced when my father died and the wrong trust was in effect. All of the trustees (my brothers, my mother, and I) had to meet in person in front of a lawyer and a notary public just to fix the mess my parents' lawyers had made.

So, switch over to GothBard's mother. In 2022 I used Global Megacorporation's legal center to find a recommended estate lawyer for her. Not only did he produce all of the necessary documents, but every single one started with, "All previous versions of this document are hereby invalid."

It made my life so easy. And all it took him was one sentence and the willingness to build everything from scratch based on exactly how she wanted things at that point.

It probably cost her an extra $200-$400 in fees. But holy carp having it all clean is going to save all of us many, many hours of grief down the line. Personal experience tells me so.


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I think we are snowed in.

This is quite ironic, considering.


NobodysHome wrote:

The difference between a bad attorney and a good attorney is so palpable...

I'm doing my annual end-of-year paperwork cleansing. A couple of weeks ago I did my mother's folder: Last will, trust, various powers of attorney, etc. And every single one was an amendment to the previous one. So after 40+ years, her folder is hundreds of pages of likely-contradictory information. It's a complete squirrel's nest.

This was evidenced when my father died and the wrong trust was in effect. All of the trustees (my brothers, my mother, and I) had to meet in person in front of a lawyer and a notary public just to fix the mess my parents' lawyers had made.

So, switch over to GothBard's mother. In 2022 I used Global Megacorporation's legal center to find a recommended estate lawyer for her. Not only did he produce all of the necessary documents, but every single one started with, "All previous versions of this document are hereby invalid."

It made my life so easy. And all it took him was one sentence and the willingness to build everything from scratch based on exactly how she wanted things at that point.

It probably cost her an extra $200-$400 in fees. But holy carp having it all clean is going to save all of us many, many hours of grief down the line. Personal experience tells me so.

Or you could solve the problem by dying penniless, unburdened by material possessions, like you once said you wanted, leaving nothing behind but good memories. Just saying.


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Drejk wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

The difference between a bad attorney and a good attorney is so palpable...

I'm doing my annual end-of-year paperwork cleansing. A couple of weeks ago I did my mother's folder: Last will, trust, various powers of attorney, etc. And every single one was an amendment to the previous one. So after 40+ years, her folder is hundreds of pages of likely-contradictory information. It's a complete squirrel's nest.

This was evidenced when my father died and the wrong trust was in effect. All of the trustees (my brothers, my mother, and I) had to meet in person in front of a lawyer and a notary public just to fix the mess my parents' lawyers had made.

So, switch over to GothBard's mother. In 2022 I used Global Megacorporation's legal center to find a recommended estate lawyer for her. Not only did he produce all of the necessary documents, but every single one started with, "All previous versions of this document are hereby invalid."

It made my life so easy. And all it took him was one sentence and the willingness to build everything from scratch based on exactly how she wanted things at that point.

It probably cost her an extra $200-$400 in fees. But holy carp having it all clean is going to save all of us many, many hours of grief down the line. Personal experience tells me so.

Or you could solve the problem by dying penniless, unburdened by material possessions, like you once said you wanted, leaving nothing behind but good memories. Just saying.

Even if you die penniless there are legal issues you still need to deal with. And I don't think *I* ever said I wanted to die penniless. Certainly without material possessions, but these days monetary wealth is practically equivalent to freedom, so no, money's of critical importance to be sure you're not beholden to someone else for your basic survival needs.


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What if the ancient Egyptians were right, and you can take it with you?


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There's certainly something to be said for having all your internal organs packed in little jars and your brain pulled out through your nose with a special hook. It's a sure-fire way to remove toxins, at least.


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Drejk wrote:


Or you could solve the problem by dying penniless, unburdened by material possessions, like you once said you wanted, leaving nothing behind but good memories. Just saying.

And a good meal for some very happy vultures.

Look bob, we hit the jackpot!


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Small success.

When I woke up from a nap, the cordless electric kettle refused to work (after weeks of having sort of hiccups). As it was 8 PM, going to shop and getting a new one wasn't exactly a great prospect (I would probably be able to reach one of the supermarkets with house appliances before it close around 9 or 10 pm), but it was raining. It was especially annoying because I was in a shop that sells (among the others) house appliances earlier today (though I bought long-johns and new warm slippers).

Thankfully, the symptoms showing for the last few weeks suggested eroded contact point between the base and the kettle itself. I took a file and rubbed the metal parts a few times hoping to remove the (hopefully thin) corroded layer...

And it actually worked. The kettle boils water again. At least for now.


And it didn't last. New kettle needed now. Only serious offers.


The holidays are here, the moderators are out, the spam bots attack.

Flagged two so far.


Well, today marks the first day I actually felt cold in the living room without a sweatshirt on. So I checked, and yes, it was down to 58˚F in the living room. However, by the time I started feeling chilly it was up to 63˚F outside so I just opened up the house.

But perhaps, just perhaps, we might actually have to turn on the heat soon...


It's down to zero degrees centigrade here. Brr.


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It was quite cold indeed when I traversed the moist darkness of the evening and brought the new kettle home.

*sips tea*


Eh, it's the tundra, so I'm already used to the weather. 32 degrees is the new warm until May.


Going downtown! I refuse to spend another Saturday night alone at my apartment.

If that means dipping my toes into some mild alcoholism I'm OK with that.


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Still downtown! Very drunk!!


I moved on to the High Noon Saloon for a benefit show or something.


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It was 60 plus degrees when I arrived in Denver. The next day it was in the teens.

Yikes, even by my standards.


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Freehold is cold?!

It's the end of the world!

Prepare for the Fimbulvetr!

We are all doomed!


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OK, I so rarely buy things that I continue to be appalled whenever I try to use something that should be "simple".

At Shiro's recommendation, I got a Bluetooth-enabled meat thermometer.

I do like to ramble like a grandpa:
Both he and I had the issue that we both bought really nice high-end digital thermometers, but the cord broke after long-time use in the oven door, and of course buying just the replacement cord is impossible (they are mysteriously always out of stock) and I'm not about to spend another $180 on a thermometer whose cord will break again after a couple of years.

In spite of Bluetooth being a local protocol, you are required to have internet access and a cloud account to use the thermometer. "So we can improve our product."

B.S.

But they ensured all they get access to is my phone, aka my electronic doorstop. Hope they have fun tracking it.

To add insult to insult, I also re-installed Pokemon Go and tried to use my Bluetooth Pokemon Plus device. All of a sudden, after one or another upgrade, it wants access to my full Google account to work. It didn't used to, so this is just an overt data grab.

And once again, no. I don't particularly need the Pokemon Plus if the price is all of my Google information. Another product I won't be using again.


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NobodysHome wrote:

OK, I so rarely buy things that I continue to be appalled whenever I try to use something that should be "simple".

At Shiro's recommendation, I got a Bluetooth-enabled meat thermometer.
** spoiler omitted **

In spite of Bluetooth being a local protocol, you are required to have internet access and a cloud account to use the thermometer. "So we can improve our product."

B.S.

But they ensured all they get access to is my phone, aka my electronic doorstop. Hope they have fun tracking it.

To add insult to insult, I also re-installed Pokemon Go and tried to use my Bluetooth Pokemon Plus device. All of a sudden, after one or another upgrade, it wants access to my full Google account to work. It didn't used to, so this is just an overt data grab.

And once again, no. I don't particularly need the Pokemon Plus if the price is all of my Google information. Another product I won't be using again.

Not to be That Guy, but how much does the meat thermometer cost and how much do you use it in the 2 years it works for.


Meat thermometer? o.O

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