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A couple questions about the smoke/choking/poison bombs the ninja gets...
1) If the ninja throws the choking bomb into a square it occupies, does the ninja have to save as well? Im guessing yet, but just wanting to make sure.
2) Does the ninja just GET these after taking the trick, or do you have to purchase them? Cause, if ive got to buy them AFTER taking a trick, then to heck with that.
My issue with this is, I hate class features that simulate gear. Shouldnt anyone be able to thrown down a smoke bomb if they buy one at a store? Can the ninja give his smoke bombs to a friend to use? Why not? Its supposed to be a physical item. Atleast with the alchemist they come up with somekind of in-game explaination as to why the alchemist cant pass his bombs out.
I noticed this too. I assumed that since use (at least in part) Ki, ninja emanates these bombs as magical tricks or powers (for an example of this, take a look at Taki in Soul Calibur II).
But.. in this case, it should be pointed out bombs are magic.
IF bombs are not magic, it should be at least pointed out something about how ninjas create them, in a way similar to alchemysts.
Otherwise, my willing suspension of disbelief will be beaten hard. ;)
The bombs are extraordinary abilities, so no magic's used & apparently the ninja just pulls them out of their batman utility belt, much like what the gunslinger does with that "Secret Stash" feat does.
Great! So what about a naked ninja?
Seriously, this is gamism at its purest and should be IMHO addressed.
Great! So what about a naked ninja?
Seriously, this is gamism at its purest and should be IMHO addressed.
I actually agree, the bombs are flavorful and fun but dont make a whole lot of sense. your tied up and stripped of possessions but you can still unleash a cloud of smoke? huh?
I actually agree, the bombs are flavorful and fun but dont make a whole lot of sense. your tied up and stripped of possessions but you can still unleash a cloud of smoke? huh?
Great! So what about a naked ninja?
Seriously, this is gamism at its purest and should be IMHO addressed.
I LOVE the bombs. Simply, they need an explaination (how the ninja makes them?).
I'm totally fine with an (Ex) explaination (you can do them only with a reagent bag) or a (Su) explaination (you create them as expansion of Ki).
But in the current way it is just handwave the creation.
My issue with this is, I hate class features that simulate gear. Shouldnt anyone be able to thrown down a smoke bomb if they buy one at a store? Can the ninja give his smoke bombs to a friend to use? Why not? Its supposed to be a physical item. Atleast with the alchemist they come up with somekind of in-game explaination as to why the alchemist cant pass his bombs out.
I noticed this too. I assumed that since use (at least in part) Ki, ninja emanates these bombs as magical tricks or powers (for an example of this, take a look at Taki in Soul Calibur II).
But.. in this case, it should be pointed out bombs are magic.
IF bombs are not magic, it should be at least pointed out something about how ninjas create them, in a way similar to alchemysts.
Otherwise, my willing suspension of disbelief will be beaten hard. ;)
My take on abilities like the bomb is that they can't just walk into a store and buy them. They know how to make them. It's not common knowledge at all.
I didn't look too hard so I might have missed something, but I thought these smoke bombs were alchemical items from the APG. The smoke pellets -- they cost 25 gp and are on page 185.
If drug smugglers can hide drugs in their butt or plastic baggies in their stomach and vomit them up, then cant ninja puke/poop out a smoke bomb?
gives new meaning to "dropped the bomb" huh?
I didn't look too hard so I might have missed something, but I thought these smoke bombs were alchemical items from the APG. The smoke pellets -- they cost 25 gp and are on page 185.
Are the bombs the same? I should have missed it...
Smoke pellets only make a 5 foot square, Smoke Bombs is 15 ft radius and lasts like a Smokestick. Totally different league.