I've read through the Gunslinger (mind you, I haven't studied the thing, to learn ALL of its pros and cons yet).. but I kind of like the look..
My group often 'cries' about Guns being in a game (though I like a little flintlock or two here and there)... But the guns are presented in such a way, that they don't seem ALL that different from any other Pathfinder book weapon.
(I do know this isn't the first place the rules on Guns have been placed, but I haven't seen them until now, so I wanted to put in my two cents on them :P)
The Grit, has caught my eye. A Ranger/Rogue's Ki Pool... is what it makes me think of (Or just a Gunslinger's Ki Pool.. if this class is to make it into the final).
The Low number of points you gain in your 'pool' does disappoint me a little.. but the feat to get more points in your 'pool' and the fact you can earn points back, should make up for that.
I for one, am not big on combat classes, but the Gunslinger has caught my eye.
... but that might just because I like Pirates, and I always think 'Pirate' when I think Fantasy Guns...
What do you all think of the class, thus far?
I'm really worried about reloading and deadly aim -- other than that I really like the mechanics present (besides brave and tough -- that one is just wrong).
Grit with the recharge is neat -- but not so neat as to out shine the fighter -- I'm going to play around with it tonight and I'll report what I notice tomorrow -- right now I'm in theorycraft mode.
I think the grit feats are a nice touch -- you could play a fighter and be a gunslinger still at this point with those feat (though it wouldn't be quite as good) which is nice. I kind of want more skill points.stuff and would be willing to trade out some BAB for it -- but I don't see that happening in any way.
It seems solid to me.
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My first thought upon reading the Gunslinger was that Jason really watched too many Westerns when doing his research... ;)
My group often 'cries' about Guns being in a game.
+1. Sometimes my group can be a bunch of stick in the muds.
The Low number of points you gain in your 'pool' does disappoint me a little.. but the feat to get more points in your 'pool' and the fact you can earn points back, should make up for that.
I totally agree. That was my initial thought on Grit as well.
Upon first read, I am quite fond of this Class. I thought MAD might be a bit of an issue at first, but after mulling it over a bit I realized that you really only need DEX and WIS to be high, with maybe CON sitting at a round a 14, so it's actually quite playable.
Going through the list of abilities, I don't think anything really stands out as being too over the top (well maybe Brave and Tough a little). Playtesting might reveal more insight into this, but unfortunately I'm not going to get a chance before the playtest period is up (we will only have one session during that time and my Magus is currently surviving better than expected).
After finishing reading, all I can say is that I haven't been this excited about a new Class since the Inquisitor.... ooooo now there's an idea, a Gunslinging Inquisitor! :D
ooooo now there's an idea, a Gunslinging Inquisitor! :D
+1 mmm that makes me feel all kinds of warm and fuzzy. Especially combining it with the Pirate idea. Inquisitor of Besmara.
My first glance is that I really like the class. It looks well balanced. And while guns are really damn good weapons, their reliance on powder definitely balances them.
Okay so you just got a massive x4 critical hit on the Orc Sorcerer and he is barely standing. He now hurls a fireball at you and oh you rolled a 1 i see... well you know those two horns of powder you bought? Ka-Boom. /Evil GM Face
ooooo now there's an idea, a Gunslinging Inquisitor! :D
A Monk Gunslinger would be nice, with both classes needing high Dex and Wisdom :P
ooooo now there's an idea, a Gunslinging Inquisitor! :DA Monk Gunslinger would be nice, with both classes needing high Dex and Wisdom :P
Having yet to see the Gunslinger .... I have the sudden mental image of a eastern-film 'monk' beating the tar out of somebody, then Wire-Fu-flying through the air, flurrying magical revolvers....
/nerdgasm
ooooo now there's an idea, a Gunslinging Inquisitor! :D+1 mmm that makes me feel all kinds of warm and fuzzy. Especially combining it with the Pirate idea. Inquisitor of Besmara.
My first glance is that I really like the class. It looks well balanced. And while guns are really damn good weapons, their reliance on powder definitely balances them.
Okay so you just got a massive x4 critical hit on the Orc Sorcerer and he is barely standing. He now hurls a fireball at you and oh you rolled a 1 i see... well you know those two horns of powder you bought? Ka-Boom. /Evil GM Face
Then everyone stops playing Gunslingers because all the GMs think they are being clever by blowing up the black powder on a player every other round.
Yup.
A core rulebook to the head usually cures that sort of "evil DM face" along with the thought that predicated it. Preferably a big book like the GMG.
When faced with thoughts of "well this will REALLY screw over the players!" one should always take a second, and perhaps a third thought and mull it over.
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After finishing reading, all I can say is that I haven't been this excited about a new Class since the Inquisitor.... ooooo now there's an idea, a Gunslinging Inquisitor! :D
Solomon Kane!
I was just surprised at HOW different the gunslinger was to the basic fighter architecture. And it's considered an archetype, not a sub-class or new base class or whatever? Wow!
It looks fun. I like the grit recharge mechanic, and the deeds or stunts.
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I was just surprised at HOW different the gunslinger was to the basic fighter architecture. And it's considered an archetype, not a sub-class or new base class or whatever? Wow!
It looks fun. I like the grit recharge mechanic, and the deeds or stunts.
But it IS a sub-class.
Yup.
A core rulebook to the head usually cures that sort of "evil DM face" along with the thought that predicated it. Preferably a big book like the GMG.
When faced with thoughts of "well this will REALLY screw over the players!" one should always take a second, and perhaps a third thought and mull it over.
-S
Screw the GMG, use the Core Rules! That'll teach 'em... (or put him in the hospital)
I was just surprised at HOW different the gunslinger was to the basic fighter architecture. And it's considered an archetype, not a sub-class or new base class or whatever? Wow!
It looks fun. I like the grit recharge mechanic, and the deeds or stunts.
The Class gets bonus feats, a version of weapon training as well as a version of bravery.
The Gunslinger has a lot in common with the fighter to be considered an alternate fighter. It adds the Grit and other abilities at the price of armor training and a good portion of fighter feats.
As far as the touch AC goes, here is my take.
Over all the fighter will attack more often, and does not have to pay 11 gp per attack. Does not have to worry about his weapon exploding, and does not have to worry near as much about tactical movement (Staying within 20 feet of a target and still being able to use your move action to reload.) After looking at it, I think it is pretty well balanced.
Hehe... Shockingly.. Now that I've talked to some of my group, not one of them have 'cried' over the guns yet.. So far its been that the Guns should do MORE Damange XD
Can never tell what they'll think...
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Hehe... Shockingly.. Now that I've talked to some of my group, not one of them have 'cried' over the guns yet.. So far its been that the Guns should do MORE Damange XD
They probably just want the higher damage because then they'll have high damage weapons that can be made by a non-caster. Players are greedy like that.
