i dont believe you can sneak attack with splash weapons.
i dont believe you can sneak attack with splash weapons.
Correct:
Splash weapons cannot deal precision-based damage (such as the damage from the rogue's sneak attack class feature).
I believe you can get that extra damage with Vital Strike, though.
I believe you can get that extra damage with Vital Strike, though.
except that the bomb description specifcally states that you can use vital strike ;)
although 30d6 bombs would be nice ;)
kind like playing warhammer 40k hehehe
Thank you You have saved my gnome alchemist from some perhaps less then wise rogueish activities.
I think ill stick with Alchemist.
just boost your INT as high as possible it'll get your average damage up signifcantly, and give you a bunch more extracts as well.
and make sure you take fast bombs to boost your damage
although on a side note with the ferral mutgaen you'd get 1d6 sneak damage on your 3 natural attacks which aint half bad
While it won't let Fizzbang sneak attack with bombs, I approve of taking a level of rogue - everyone's better with a level of rogue!
Stay classy,
Kuldak
While it won't let Fizzbang sneak attack with bombs, I approve of taking a level of rogue - everyone's better with a level of rogue!
Stay classy,
Kuldak
why not 2 , evasion is a beautiful thing ;)
So you can use point blank shot for the + to hit but not for the + to damage?
I believe you can get that extra damage with Vital Strike, though.except that the bomb description specifcally states that you can use vital strike ;)
although 30d6 bombs would be nice ;)
kind like playing warhammer 40k hehehe
Actually, it doesn't. The Bomb description states that Vital Strike does not multiply the extra d6's from levels. From this one could infer that Vital Strike works with bombs, but it's not stated explicitly. In fact, by a strict reading of RAW, since Vital Strike and bombs use different standard actions, they are not compatible. I don't know how PFS rules this, but allowing this anyway at your table should be just fine regardless.
So you can use point blank shot for the + to hit but not for the + to damage?
Why not? "Bombs are considered weapons and can be selected using feats such as Point-Blank Shot and Weapon Focus." PBS is not precision damage. It would not apply to the splash though, just the direct hit.
So you can use point blank shot for the + to hit but not for the + to damage?Why not? "Bombs are considered weapons and can be selected using feats such as Point-Blank Shot and Weapon Focus." PBS is not precision damage. It would not apply to the splash though, just the direct hit.
*taps fingers* excelleeeeent. Is there a definition of precision based damage?
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So you can use point blank shot for the + to hit but not for the + to damage?Why not? "Bombs are considered weapons and can be selected using feats such as Point-Blank Shot and Weapon Focus." PBS is not precision damage. It would not apply to the splash though, just the direct hit.
Ah, but applying it to the direct damage means it would apply to the splash as well...
Bombs are considered weapons and can be selected using feats such as Point-Blank Shot and Weapon Focus. On a direct hit, an alchemist’s bomb inflicts 1d6 points of fire damage + additional damage equal to the alchemist’s Intelligence modifier. The damage of an alchemist’s bomb increases by 1d6 points at every odd numbered alchemist level (this bonus damage is not multiplied on a critical hit or by using feats such as Vital Strike). Splash damage from an alchemist bomb is always equal to the bomb’s minimum damage (so if the bomb would deal 2d6+4 points of fire damage on a direct hit, its splash damage would be 6 points of fire damage).
Same paragraph mentions PBS and splash damage equaling minimum direct hit damage. That +4 damage mentioned could easily be +3 INT +1 PBS.
Is it bad to have an Alchemist bomb thrower named "Enola Ghey"?
Nice reference, but that Alchemist would probably need to have a cohort by the name of Tibbets.
-Brooks
Ah, but applying it to the direct damage means it would apply to the splash as well...
Good point.
Is there a definition of precision based damage?
Nope.
James Jacobs sayeth: precision damage is a handy way of summarizing "extra damage from critical hits, extra damage from sneak attacks, and extra damage from a duelist's precise strike ability."
Which is awkward, since if critical hits are precision, and Bombs are splash weapons, and splash weapons cannot deal precision damage, then Bombs cannot crit, even though the Bombs description implies they can.
And is not how I would read the Critical Hits section of Combat:
Exception: Precision damage (such as from a rogue's sneak attack class feature) and additional damage dice from special weapon qualities (such as flaming) are not multiplied when you score a critical hit.
Which implies, to me, that the crit itself is not precision damage, since it calls out precision damage as not being part of the crit damage.
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Actually not only does it not imply that but it specifically states that Bomb damage is not multiplied by critical hits or feats, just like sneak attck damage is not affected that way either.
Umm... No, actually it does state it can crit.
On a direct hit, an alchemist’s
bomb inflicts 1d6 points of fire damage + additional
damage equal to the alchemist’s Intelligence modifier.
The damage of an alchemist’s bomb increases by 1d6
points at every odd-numbered alchemist level (this
bonus damage is not multiplied on a critical hit or by
using feats such as Vital Strike).
Only the bonus damage from leveling doesn't get multiplied on a crit, but the base damage (1d6+int) would.
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Actually, it doesn't. The Bomb description states that Vital Strike does not multiply the extra d6's from levels.
So you'd spend a feat just so your bombs do a single extra d6?
Best feat for alchemists looking to maximize bombs is still Deadly Aim. Slap that on a sticky bomb and deal awesome damage both rounds.
Best feat for alchemists looking to maximize bombs is still Deadly Aim. Slap that on a sticky bomb and deal awesome damage both rounds.
Unfortunately Deadly Aim won't work with bombs since it specifically states it can't be used with touch attacks. Bombs are splash weapons and therefore use a ranged touch attack to hit.
Deadly aim does not work with splash weapons.
For the record, a 5th level alch with 18 int bomb damage would be
3d6+4 (1d6+4+2d6)
Critical
4d6+8 ([1d6+4] X 2 +2d6)
Vital strike
4d6+4 (1d6+4+1d6+2d6)
Critical Vital Strike
5d6+8 ([1d6+4] X 2 + 1d6 +2d6)
The best option for highest alch damage per round is two weapon fighting, haste, and rapid shot.
Hope this helps.
splash weapons dont get the sneak from a bomb will the spell target bomb admixture allow it then ?
This thread is 9 years old. Since you're asking a new question you might be better off starting a new thread about this.
As to your question: My gut says "No", but I'm not 100% sure.
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There is a way to get Sneak Attack Damage with Bombs, sort of. Take the Explosive Missile Alchemal Discovery. That lets you put a bomb on a regular piece of ammunition such as an arrow or musket ball. You aren't technically getting SAD on the Bomb: you get SAD on the Musket Ball. And you get Bomb Damage on the Musket Ball. You get Deadly Aim on the Musket Ball.
I like this idea, but Explosive Missile specifies: "arrow, crossbow bolt, or one-handed firearm bullet", so no musket (not sure if you meant that exactly, just putting this here for people who are looking into this).
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For that, you'd need to be a Gun Chemist - not technically a bomb, but close enough.
Herolab is wrong. There's even an FAQ about not stacking abilities bonuses like that.
Do ability modifiers from the same ability stack? For instance, can you add the same ability bonus on the same roll twice using two different effects that each add that same ability modifier?
No. An ability bonus, such as "Strength bonus", is considered to be the same source for the purpose of bonuses from the same source not stacking. However, you can still add, for instance “a deflection bonus equal to your Charisma modifier” and your Charisma modifier. For this purpose, however, the paladin's untyped "bonus equal to her Charisma bonus (if any) on all saving throws" from divine grace is considered to be the same as "Charisma bonus (if any)", and the same would be true for any other untyped "bonus equal to her [ability score] bonus" constructions.
so unless hero-lab is calculating it wrong both int to damages stack
They shouldn't - as per this FAQ, an ability score/modifier bonus is considered to have the ability score in question as the source and thus for untyped bonuses, the "no stacking from same source" rule is active.
Not that I claim to understand understand why one would take 4 levels in Rogue for 2d6 of conditional Sneak Attack damage, when staying with Alchemist would have increased the bomb damage by 2d6 unconditional damage.
would a small musket count as a 1 hander for a medium sized person?
No, because the rules for "Inappropriately Sized Weapons" is based on the light/one-handed/two-handed classificaiton system, but ranged weapons have their own classification ("ranged"), regardless of the hands required (those form a sort of sub-classification).
Seriously though, if you want to be a firearms using Alchemist, be a Gun Chemist.