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First and foremost: stop thinking about the day job roll as a skill check--it's not a skill check.
The day job roll is a skill sub-system, established just for Pathfinder Society, so folks can get a little extra money from their non-Pathfinder "career" (assuming they have one). To that end, we keep the roll balanced across all classes and races.
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Elsewhere, it's been noted that players cannot Take 10 on Day Job rolls; they must be *rolled*.
If a player has not used his faction-shirt reroll during a game, can he use it on the Day Job roll?
Page 20 of the guide states that faction t-shirt rerolls can be take "during the course" of the scenario.
Page 23 of the guide states that the Day Job roll happens "at the end of every scenario".
By those two definitions I would say that you cannot reroll a Day Job roll.
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Elsewhere, it's been noted that players cannot Take 10 on Day Job rolls; they must be *rolled*.
If a player has not used his faction-shirt reroll during a game, can he use it on the Day Job roll?
Page 20 of the guide states that faction t-shirt rerolls can be take "during the course" of the scenario.
Page 23 of the guide states that the Day Job roll happens "at the end of every scenario".
By those two definitions I would say that you cannot reroll a Day Job roll.
Just to knit-pick and play devil's advocate.
"At the end of the scenario" is still within the scenario. It doesn't say 'after the end of the scenario.' If a page is at the end of a book, it's still in the book.
I know this isn't the intent of the rule. But the wording of the rule should be changed so that the Day Job roll happens 'after the scenario, when the chronicle is received.'
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Yeah, but Diego is right, you can not use your shirt on Day Job rolls. This has been asked before. Don't ask me to find the thread, because I won't.
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If I had some shirt wearers who had not used their reroll during the course of the scenario, but wanted to with the day job roll, I would have no problem with it. They went to the trouble of buying the shirt from Paizo, and we're talking about, at most, an extra 50 gp. If that is all I have to do to make a player happy, then so be it.
T-shirt rerolls *can* be used on Day Job rolls. :)
Hyrum.
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Like I said Diego is dead wrong. You can use your shirt for Day Job rolls. It's right here in this thread. :-p *Throws Diego under the bus.*
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I also had always just assumed the t-shirt rerolls could be used on Day Job rolls as it was still "within" the scenario. Good to know we've been legal!
I had always assumed too as well, untill this question was posted.
Reading the RAW I think it is much more ambiguous - as I already expressed earlier.Hyrum cleared this up well, but maybe the next guide should correct this.
T-shirt rerolls *can* be used on Day Job rolls. :)
Hyrum.
Is there a reference for this? If the quoted post is itself a reference, how can I show that the above answer is right?
There's a GM in my local lodge that likes to assume the answer is 'no' whenever he doesn't personally care for an idea. He apparently hates Day Jobs, since he doesn't always record them properly (didn't use the chart, just guessed what he thought it should be), and just tonight he said we can't use a shirt reroll on them. He's also added extra enemies to an encounter (he said so after it was done) when he thinks we've had things too easy, so I guess he also isn't aware of the "provide a consistent experience" concept. It's a shame that I now feel like I should avoid whatever he's running.
When Hyrum posted that, he was the campaign coordinator, so it should still be a good ruling unless M&M rules different.
Is this the only reference, though? We're having a Pathfinder GM training course at our local lodge, and I would like to use this as an example. I don't know where the GM I mentioned came up with this 'no rerolls for day jobs' idea, apart from just making it up, but I would like to be able to present a stronger case.
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T-shirt rerolls *can* be used on Day Job rolls. :)
Hyrum.
Is there a reference for this? If the quoted post is itself a reference, how can I show that the above answer is right?
There's a GM in my local lodge that likes to assume the answer is 'no' whenever he doesn't personally care for an idea. He apparently hates Day Jobs, since he doesn't always record them properly (didn't use the chart, just guessed what he thought it should be), and just tonight he said we can't use a shirt reroll on them. He's also added extra enemies to an encounter (he said so after it was done) when he thinks we've had things too easy, so I guess he also isn't aware of the "provide a consistent experience" concept. It's a shame that I now feel like I should avoid whatever he's running.
Talk to your local VC about this GM.
Talk to your local VC about this GM.
I don't want to cause him trouble with GMing, as he's actually a good GM in most respects, roleplaying NPCs well and generally running a fun game. It's just cases like this, whether you can use shirt rerolls on day jobs, whether you can use a whetstone on a piercing weapon... stuff like that, in which I think he's being unreasonably dismissive because it's not an option he cares for. Adding mooks to encounters is probably a big no-no for Society games, but our local VC was playing in the game when this happened, and it's not like any characters died or spent terribly important resources because of it. I'm just looking for a better case to present to the guy so he'll know in the future. If this is the only resource, then it will probably end up being a continuing argument.
Myself, I'd err on the side of being permissive, especially since the difference in gold is unlikely to matter. It mostly defrays the cost of ammunition, spellbook-scribing materials, and the like.
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Talk to your local VC about this GM.I don't want to cause him trouble with GMing, as he's actually a good GM in most respects, roleplaying NPCs well and generally running a fun game.
If he's a good GM, he'll be willing to be corrected. Good GMs can tell the difference between "you need to do X differently" and "you're a bad GM", and don't feel the need to defend themselves from either statement.
Most things done wrong are done wrong by good GMs.
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where is the day job chart i mean to figure out stuff
The Day Job table is in this document which you should become familiar with at your earliest convenience.
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The Day Job table is also on page 3 of the Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Pathfinder Society Field Guide which is part of the Core Assumption (i.e. the Pathfinder Society Organized Play assumes that every player has a copy of this). So if you are planning on playing PFS regularly you should probably pick up a copy, at least in PDF form if nothing else.
The Rules may have changed, but its good that this thread has been updated, since its one of the first google searches on pfs day jobs.
