EDIT: Check out this thread thread
I believe it makes sense, and I don't know whether it is a specific exception or if there is some underlying rules reason to allow augmented summoning to work with slas
With that pointed out, I really am going to have to emphasize my note about erratas...
5. Eidolon companion has to be near summoner or it loses hit points. That is a weird mechanic.
Actually, that makes sense. Like it gets less real the further it gets away. What does NOT make sense is that it doesn't gain them back after getting closer to the Summoner.
Which is completely counter how every OTHER magic modifying feat works.
Also, would that mean that the Eidolon, as a summoned creature, would benefit from Augment Summoning.Lets see how many other exception rules the summoner has.
1. Summoner shares magic items with its companion.
2. companion can't wear armor.
3. Bipedal Eidolon gets reach at large but no extra reach going huge. I guess its arms stop growing
4. Eidolon is summoned sorta even tho technically its not considered summoned. see ritual below. Can't be dispelled and can attack through a magic circle but can be dismissed and banished.
5. Eidolon companion has to be near summoner or it loses hit points. That is a weird mechanic.
6. Spell like ability can only have one active, takes a standard to cast ands lasts a minite a level. Augment summoning apparently works on the SLA because the powers that be said so.
7. Eidolon is summoned with a ritual? Since it is summoned with said ritual apparently augment summoning don't work.
This class is going to be a rules nightmare for months to come.
This is a good list, and hopefully the PTB take a look at it. They really should clean this up to be more streamlined.
Though I will also say that I am a fan of how the class performs with the above exceptions. I just would prefer they keep the same functionality, with fewer rules exceptions.
And for my part, I'm also perfectly happy with the spell list; they're primary class ability is not casting, but their pet. People comparing an animal companion to a custom built Eidolon are comparing a weasel familiar a dire bear animal companion. The Eidolon outclasses pretty much all other pets, and is better than pretty much anything you can summon at an equivalent level... and if it isn't, you can always just summon the better creature, and have it last minutes rather than rounds. No, it isn't "on par" with the big three casters, but it is certainly on par with the rest of the classes, and that is the power level that things need to be designed for.
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As far as fixing the rules inconsistencies, my suggestions:
1. Summoner shares magic items with its companion.
Don't let it do this
2. companion can't wear armor.
Keep this, it actually makes things more simple
3. Bipedal Eidolon gets reach at large but no extra reach going huge. I guess its arms stop growing
Get rid of this. It isn't even that overpowering, as reach at higher levels is expected, just control the level at which Huge can be gained.
4. Eidolon is summoned sorta even tho technically its not considered summoned. see ritual below. Can't be dispelled and can attack through a magic circle but can be dismissed and banished.
They need to pick one and go with it... Preferably making it not count as a summoned creature, as otherwise the summoner becomes "the most easily defeated class"
5. Eidolon companion has to be near summoner or it loses hit points. That is a weird mechanic.
It seems like over-complication. I would just say that if they are separated by X distance for more than Y rounds (Y = very low number, 1-3), the eidolon dissipates, or something. The summoner is their anchor after all. The hp thing just seems... wonky.
6. Spell like ability can only have one active, takes a standard to cast ands lasts a minite a level. Augment summoning apparently works on the SLA because the powers that be said so.
This is fine imo. It is a special class ability that mimics a specific spell, but isn't exactly like it. The rules are pretty much all covered by the text in the ability, and pretty intuitive.
7. Eidolon is summoned with a ritual? Since it is summoned with said ritual apparently augment summoning don't work.
Just make it not count as "summoned" for all purposes. Which would be ironic, given the class name, but very functional given the rules of the game.
Actually, it shouldn't lose HP - its hit die should be halved, then quartered, then it should go away. And the hit die should restore when it comes back. The fact that it doesn't is the most atrocious of all.
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I love that the summoner's SLA was fixed, though I'm sad to see the 'spells of the summoner's specialty available at comparable character level to full casters' gone. I don't get why the SLA doesn't include gate at the same time the wizard does, either.
Was it stated anywhere that the spell list was changed because PCs could argue that they are buying scrolls from summoners and thus the economy was messed up? Or was it for another reason? I'm just curious what the reason behind this change was.
Summoner still looks very good, I hope I can play one in Pathfinder Society someday if we ever get it here.
This is what happens when I assume someone elses statements to be true.
I thought the Summoner had no access to SM 7-9 at all and have based this thread on that using the (SP) as a solution. But it's already there in the final playtest pdf. Unless there was a correction made to the final draft, I see that they do have access to those Summon Monster spell-like abilities.
So why were there people saying they didn't have access to them? They have it as a spell-like ability which is fine.
I guess ignore this thread now, cause I mistakingly thought otherwise.
This is what happens when I assume someone elses statements to be true.
I thought the Summoner had no access to SM 7-9 at all and have based this thread on that using the (SP) as a solution. But it's already there in the final playtest pdf. Unless there was a correction made to the final draft, I see that they do have access to those Summon Monster spell-like abilities.
So why were there people saying they didn't have access to them? They have it as a spell-like ability which is fine.
I guess ignore this thread now, cause I mistakingly thought otherwise.
Because people want the spamability of the standard summon spells, rather than the SLA and its longer duration.
Personally, I like the longer duration and the open spell slots, and I think it fits the power curve of PF better. I also like that it differentiates them from druid; if you want pet spam, go druid, but if you want super pets that crush, go Summoner.
Ah I see, but that would overwhelm the battlefield. Probably no different than a Sorcerer spamming SM 4-9 if they took that many, but not many Sorcerers do that anyway.
I guess the question now is can they at least be allowed to use those spells from spell trigger items like scrolls? As probably an added benefit specific only to the Summoner.