PFS21 The Eternal Obelisk -- Updating Monsters **SPOILERS**


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I'll be running PFS#21 this Saturday. The table will probably be Tier 5-6, but just to be prepared I have updated the Elder Xorn in Act 4. As suggested in the Xorn entry in the Beastiary, I added the Advanced and Giant templates (rebuild version). Everything's fine except for the number of hit points seems low.

Do monster get Hit Dice added with these templates. I didn't add any Hit DIce, and have an Elder Xorn with 87 hit points. (as a comparison, the 3.5 MM version has 130).

This doesn't feel like a CR8 challenge to me. It hits like CR8 but will die a lot faster than the normal Xorn will to a level 6 party.

Am I doing something wrong, or thinking too hard? :-)

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squirrelpres wrote:

I'll be running PFS#21 this Saturday. The table will probably be Tier 5-6, but just to be prepared I have updated the Elder Xorn in Act 4. As suggested in the Xorn entry in the Beastiary, I added the Advanced and Giant templates (rebuild version). Everything's fine except for the number of hit points seems low.

Do monster get Hit Dice added with these templates. I didn't add any Hit DIce, and have an Elder Xorn with 87 hit points. (as a comparison, the 3.5 MM version has 130).

This doesn't feel like a CR8 challenge to me. It hits like CR8 but will die a lot faster than the normal Xorn will to a level 6 party.

Am I doing something wrong, or thinking too hard? :-)

Advanced Giant Xorn will have 94 HP. And according to PF monster creation rules, that's just fine - a CR 8 monster is supposed to have circa 100 HP.

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Gorbacz wrote:


Advanced Giant Xorn will have 94 HP. And according to PF monster creation rules, that's just fine - a CR 8 monster is supposed to have circa 100 HP.

Thanks, I thought the chart of CRs only applied to monster creation, so I didn't use that for comparison. fixing a math error gets me to 94 hp.


That chart also applies to advancing a monster. You want to, generally speaking, always make sure a monster's stats are in line with his CR. Some monsters, like dragons, the big cats, some demons, etc don't line up necessarily with their CR on some categories, but that's why, in the end, finding the CR of a creature in 3.5 is as much an art as it is a science.

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