Honestly, I wuld have never throught of that.
Nah, thats what Polymorph is for...or animate dead...
Honestly, I wuld have never throught of that.
Actually it wasn't my ... first ... thought!
My guess is that there would be no offspring of such a union. Just because "it" may have a female form does not mean that it would have famale funtionality.
It is possible to physically 'mate' but not produce offspring. Some species just dont mix. And somehow I am extremely doubtful paizo will ever include a fertility evolution.
Clearly, you fellas don't watch enough (too much?) Japanese anime...
As soon as I saw the tentacle evolution, I started wondering how many tentacles you could put on a Eidolon...
I also like how some assume it will be a male summoner with a female Eidolon. The reverse is also possible.
Off the cuff, since the Eidolon is an outsider with a "fiendish" trend, I'd suggest half-fiend -- if that sort of thing is allowed in your games.
It is possible to physically 'mate' but not produce offspring. Some species just dont mix. And somehow I am extremely doubtful paizo will ever include a fertility evolution.
I was also thinking that a Summoner's Eidolon would be effectivly a "robot" so it would have the appearance and feel of a woman, but none of the internal (fertility type) abilities.
I bigger problem would be the "sentience" of the Eidolon. Would it/she be aware of her enslaved condition and therefore hate her master? Or would she become both incredibly needy and possessive of her master?
I love these boards!
I consider myself a pretty sick puppy and then I realize that there are whole realms of depravity that I've yet to consider.
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Clearly, you fellas don't watch enough (too much?) Japanese anime...
As soon as I saw the tentacle evolution, I started wondering how many tentacles you could put on a Eidolon...
I also like how some assume it will be a male summoner with a female Eidolon. The reverse is also possible.
Off the cuff, since the Eidolon is an outsider with a "fiendish" trend, I'd suggest half-fiend -- if that sort of thing is allowed in your games.
Not really commenting on the other stuff, but I really don't see the fiendish trend. It could just as easily have a celestial or any other outsider type trend.
What about the witch and her octopus familiar...
*shudder*
I love these boards!
I consider myself a pretty sick puppy and then I realize that there are whole realms of depravity that I've yet to consider.
What about the witch and her octopus familiar...
*shudder*
How about the wizard and his raven familiar polymorphed into a comely elf?
And I picked raven so the familiar can talk dirty to him.
What about the witch and her octopus familiar...
*shudder*How about the wizard and his raven familiar polymorphed into a comely elf?
And I picked raven so the familiar can talk dirty to him.
There are all sorts of things wrong with what you just said there...
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I love these boards!I consider myself a pretty sick puppy and then I realize that there are whole realms of depravity that I've yet to consider.
Welcome to life in general, dude. As the Apostle Paul said "Brothers, be knowledgeable of what is good, and be as babes in evil..."
So I find that statement is quite applicable most of the days of my life. To be quite bold, I only recently found out what the word "Sodomy" meant. (And I'm not that young, nor sheltered, I just choose not to pay much attention to everything that comes my way.)
Back on topic, I think this is an excellent Idea. I don't think it would be an issue in any campaign I ran, nor would I think it to be an issue of the Eidolon necessarily hating or needing their master. In fact, I don't see why you can't just increase the Eidolon's Intelligence Score as you gain levels.
I don't see this as being an issue of perversion either, because the two entities could very much love each other, their relationships being borne out of affection and friendship rather than carnality. If one of my players was just doing this to be horny at the gaming table, I'd not allow it, but if the player built the Eidolon right, I don't see any issues, especially if they increased it's Intelligence score.
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Here's what I'm thinking for Half-Eidolon:
The Half-Eidolon is the offspring of a Summoner and their Eidolon. Most of these unions are made by consensual partners, the Eidolon and Summoner not viewing their relationship as Master and Servitor, but rather seeing each other as partners and sharing their love for one another often times, if the Summoner is skilled enough, leads to the birth of a Half-breed. Unlike most Half-breeds, the Half-Eidolon is usually brought up in a caring environment, a physical seal of the Eidolon's commitment to it's summoner. The Half-Eidolon also bears a measure of it's Otherworldly parent's power, able to take on a limited number of evolutions and the ability to change it's form from the standard Bipedal form it was born in, to a form it chooses to practice from a young age.
Type: Outsider (Native)
+2 to STR or CHA, -2 to CON or INT
+2 bonus to Disguise skill checks
Alter Form (Su) 1/day: The Half-Eidolon gains the ability to shift it's base form from Bipedal to either Serpentine or Quadrupedal (Chosen at first level). The Half-Eidolon's Ability scores are not altered while in this altered form, but gains natural attacks and evolutions as an eidolon of their size and form. They may change back to the base Bipedal form at any time, but must wait until the next day to change into their chosen alternate form. This is a Supernatural Ability
Size: Small or Medium (If small, it gets all appropriate modifiers)
Evolutions: The Half-Eidolon chooses any 1 point Evolution from the Summoner class features list. At 6th level, increase the number of evolution points available to 2 plus 1 for every three levels thereafter. A Half-Eidolon cannot choose the Large or Huge size increase, or any evolution that requires a feature that the Half-Eidolon does not possess. Every time the Half-Eidolon gains a level, they may "respend" their evolution points to change their options.
Alignment: Most Half-Eidolon's are born to a Summoner and their Eidolon, and the resulting half-breed is usually a little wild and adventurous, seeking answers to questions they cannot express. Half-Eidolon's thus tend to be Chaotic, but may be Lawful, seeking some sort of solidity to their existance.
Favored Class: Summoner or Bard. The Half-Eidolon was raised with love and care, unlike most half breeds, and thus finds no opposition to finding their own strength of will suitable to the art of the Summoner. The few who came from more carnal relationships find the life of a wandering bard more to their liking.
Adun, Half-Eidolon (Outsider, Native) Fighter 1, Chaotic Good
+STR: 16 +3
DEX: 14 +2
CON: 13 +1
-INT: 9 -1
WIS: 11 +0
CHA: 15 +2
FORT: +3
REF: +2
WILL: +0
BAB: +1
AC: 18
T: 12 FF: 16
CMB: +1
CMD: +1
Evolutions:
Spell Like Ability: True Strike 1/day, Bipedal
Alter Form: Serpentine 1/day
Outsider Traits
Size: Medium
+2 to Disguise Skill Checks
Skills:
Intimidate: +6 (Class, Trained)
Disguise: +4
Feats:
(1) Power Attack
(F) Cleave
Attacks:
Greatsword: +4, 2d6 +4, x2
Claws: +4, 1d6 +3, x2
Armour:
Breastplate: +6 AC, etc.
Other Gear:
Backpack
Bedroll
Flint and Steel
3 Sunrods
10 days trail rations
Welcome to life in general, dude. As the Apostle Paul said "Brothers, be knowledgeable of what is good, and be as babes in evil..."
I love these boards!I consider myself a pretty sick puppy and then I realize that there are whole realms of depravity that I've yet to consider.
In a demonstration of my level of depravity, when I read "and be as babes in evil ..." my brain immediately went to ... "be as babes in evil ..."
This is horrifying and wrong.
Horrifying? Silly perhapse, but Horrifying?
As to Wrong: It should be written in Pathfinder RPG Format
With the structure, I might suggest statting it up as a Template, applied to the summoner's base race.
That said: I still see Eidolons as effectively sentient robots, so I do not forsee them breeding with a mortal being.
...That said: I still see Eidolons as effectively sentient robots, so I do not forsee them breeding with a mortal being.
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I might have expected them to have the 'construct' type with the (extraplanar) subtype in a similar fashion to retrievers if they were sentient robots.
The only reference to type and subtype that I can find them as having, however, is that of 'outsider'.
My point was that an Eidolon is "not real" in the sense that this thread is going.
Yes, I understand that they have a Constitution Score, but that does not make them the same as a "living being."
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...That said: I still see Eidolons as effectively sentient robots, so I do not forsee them breeding with a mortal being.
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I might have expected them to have the 'construct' type with the (extraplanar) subtype in a similar fashion to retrievers if they were sentient robots.
The only reference to type and subtype that I can find them as having, however, is that of 'outsider'.My point was that an Eidolon is "not real" in the sense that this thread is going.
Yes, I understand that they have a Constitution Score, but that does not make them the same as a "living being."
Exactly, The class description states that you are just summoning a portion of the eidolon's essence, not the actual entity itself.
I think it reasonable to assume that some summoners are going to pick something incredibly sexy looking of the opposite gender...
Somewhere in here - past my thoroughly creeped outness - is an " "interesting" " idea (I'm double quoting that). Assume, however, that mixed drinks and Barry White have no special effects on ediolons and that any "adventurous romance" (though I could think of much shorter words for this) is going to get you nothing more than the MOST AWKWARD morning after ever. I mean, might be time to change classes after than @#$%.
Not saying something like this CAN'T happen (we've got the owlbear after all and that baby's parents didn't meet at the club), but trust such things to the "Mad Wizards" of first edition lore and keep your wandering hands off your ediolons (you'll probably go a lot worse than blind if you don't).
I'm so glad this didn't come up when we released the druid.
...someone with Charisma of 15+ is sufficiently self-assured that they can derisorily dismiss such reactions with 'let the plebs talk - their opinions do not matter'.
Too true. I would say that nothing comes of it though. As has been said above, you're summoning up mainly an impression of the creature, not it's true being, and though an eidolon can certainly be shaped to look like a duck and sound like a duck, it will never truly be a ducks. And you're not a duck either, so even if it was a real duck, you wouldn't be getting any ducklings. (I think my metaphor just ruined the whole duck pond.)
(And for James Jacobs, a taxonomic query - are eidolons possibly related to haveros?)
Playing the role of James Jacobs today will be Wes Schneider: No. Haveros have more to do with Lovecraftian ideas of things that come from the voids between the stars, where eidolons are more things that come from the rampant potentiality between the planes and similarly ill defined places of endless possibility.
Not really commenting on the other stuff, but I really don't see the fiendish trend. It could just as easily have a celestial or any other outsider type trend.
Claws, Horns, Poison, Tentacles, and "burned skin or cold breath" (for the resistance evolution) don't read as celestial to me. Definitely reads as a more fiendish trend.
Does it have to be? No. But the trend is there.
Yes, I understand that they have a Constitution Score, but that does not make them the same as a "living being."
Actually, it does. Constitution defines a creature as "living." Name one living creature that doesn't have a Con score, or one non-living that does, in the game.
Exactly, The class description states that you are just summoning a portion of the eidolon's essence, not the actual entity itself.
So... The children of deities are from the mortal parent and the god itself? There is no way for an aspect of a deity to create offspring? That dangerous ground to tread with regards to most mythologies.
I'm so glad this didn't come up when we released the druid.
It did, and has. Maybe you just missed those threads.
as per ability... Aasimar are the children of angels (which are outsiders) and mortals. I would assume it's POSSIBLE.
That being said, this thread is so wrong in oh so many ways...
Exactly, The class description states that you are just summoning a portion of the eidolon's essence, not the actual entity itself.So... The children of deities are from the mortal parent and the god itself? There is no way for an aspect of a deity to create offspring? That dangerous ground to tread with regards to most mythologies.
Including Golarion's:
(Character names removed from the spoiler to minimize actual spoil potential, because I think naming the source would be an even bigger spoiler. This is GM-only text.)