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heh Planescape is gold, it does not get much more fantasy then that, but planescape would have hurt him with its 18th century slang and dress
and hippopotamous dressed like englishmen in a saffari... that is scary even for me :P
And I'm an inclusive person. My motto is: "many like it, keep it in." I don't like exclusive persons. Their motto is: "many hate it, keep it out." They're better off with wizards products. Paizo's more of the live and let live mentality. If you don't like that it's not just your world, Golarion isn't for you. And I'm grateful for that.
Amen!
and hippopotamous dressed like englishmen in a saffari... that is scary even for me :P
AH spelljammer
I like the Andoran Eagle Knight uniform, and the gnome schoolgirl (hmmm, maybe I have a uniform fetish…).
I kind of thought it was the not at war, hanging out around the castle, going to the ball uniform.
As wearing full plate all day can get a little uncomfortable.
The Eagle Knights struck me as the kind of people that were into a bit of flash and bling.
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Multiple Choice
This whole thing taught me a very valuable lesson.
Was it:
A. Never listen to Chris Mortika
B. Trying to sympathize with another's different perspective is always a mistake: Hit 'em first; hit 'em hard.
C. Never refer to page numbers.
D. Never leave the Off Topic section.
E. There is no lesson and no learner: Tat tvam asi.
The bad thing is that with you as the notable exception, nobody did try and listened to Chris.
I kind of thought it was the not at war, hanging out around the castle, going to the ball uniform.
Yeah, not everyone can have ballroom armour like Aribeth from NWN (what else to call an armour that wonderfully shows off your cleavage and leaves a load of very vulnerable and critical areas (heart, lungs, neck) wide open for frontal assault) and I think a proper chivalric order needs something to look really good in.
Honestly, I rather liked the Andoran Eagle Knight's uniform... But perhaps that's got something to do with the uniforms for my own setting's preeminent military academy.
Of course, I also very much loved Galt. I'd love to see an entire AP set in Galt. It interests me a lot more than, say, the land of Gothic Horror that just didn't live up to what I'd expect.
Now, if only I had a copy of the Guide to Korvosa, so I could see these offensive outfits...
As the thread moves inexorably back towards its previous discussion, ignoring M's multiple choice poll.
Of course I'm critical of the Andoran Knight illustration (my memory says this got pretty thoroughly discussed on the boards back at the time), though I don't have a problem with the uniform itself.
Now, if only I had a copy of the Guide to Korvosa, so I could see these offensive outfits...
It's not the gnomette, but I think that one hotter, anyway (the girl, not the guy)
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Yeah, not everyone can have ballroom armour like Aribeth from NWN (what else to call an armour that wonderfully shows off your cleavage and leaves a load of very vulnerable and critical areas (heart, lungs, neck) wide open for frontal assault) and I think a proper chivalric order needs something to look really good in.
I kind of thought it was the not at war, hanging out around the castle, going to the ball uniform.
teaser :P
bait :Pdistration :P
for being a paladin our elven friend was pretty much into elven tactics of distraction and ambushes...
if they stare she cuts their head... if they try to sue an obvious weakness she dodges and cuts the arm...
its all about tactics.
She was only half-elven. And a paladin. Not that I'm complaining.
She was only half-elven. And a paladin. Not that I'm complaining.ah more to my case, she is family... somewhere along the line... maybe :P
Are you trying to fix me up with your sister?
To be honest, I don't like Galt so much... not because I don't like the 'modernity' of having the French Revolution in my D&D, but because it feels more like a parody of the French Revolution thrown in a stew pot with satired "<Bleep> the system!" modern anarchy, and spiced with a dash of the Holy Grail:
Peasant: "Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."
That guy could totally live in Galt. Mind you, this is working from memory from the Campaign Setting Book and the brief visit in the Eindo Kline segment, but it seems like it's all being played over the top as a joke.
The funny thing is that if Galt existed in Terry Pratchett's Discworld, I wouldn't bat an eye, and I'd probably love it. Since I generally adore humor and whimsy (including dark stuff) in fantasy (and why I like the Golarion goblins,) it feels a bit weird that the tone of Galt sets me off. Maybe I need to rethink my thoughts on the matter.
Man, I do love those soul stealing guillotines, though!
Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games
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Dear Pathfinder Designers,
While in the last weeks during reading the CG for pathfinder I was really pleased and positively surprised, till I came across... Galt.
*blank expression* You're kidding right? I've read most of the thread and I am ... well ... confused. You don't like Galt, don't play there. Don't buy the adventures that support that section. Wala. Done.
You don't like one little section and you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater (English expression meaning you get rid of something as valuable as a baby when you're done with something as not valuable and insignificiant as the baby's bath water)?
My favorite sections of Golarion: Mendev and Lastwall. I focus on them, come up with maps for them, write up NPCs for them, etc.
Yay, happy to hear it - I actually wrote up both of those countries for the Campaign Setting, and it is neat to me to hear someone mention those as their favorites!
And, FWIW, I'm with the chorus that says, "Don't like Galt, don't use Galt. Pretend it's not there. Replace it with a big forest. Problem solved." The idea that "I don't like this one thing so the entire setting is ruined for me" is... well, I'll just call it silly and leave it at that.
Yeah, not everyone can have ballroom armour like Aribeth from NWN (what else to call an armour that wonderfully shows off your cleavage and leaves a load of very vulnerable and critical areas (heart, lungs, neck) wide open for frontal assault) and I think a proper chivalric order needs something to look really good in.
I kind of thought it was the not at war, hanging out around the castle, going to the ball uniform.
You forgot about the inside of the thighs - pretty vital artery there (or is it a vein? I keep getting those two confused, much easier in Swedish).
The funny thing is that if Galt existed in Terry Pratchett's Discworld
I for one welcome some Pratchett in my Golarion.
To be honest, I don't like Galt so much... not because I don't like the 'modernity' of having the French Revolution in my D&D, but because it feels more like a parody of the French Revolution thrown in a stew pot with satired "<Bleep> the system!" modern anarchy, and spiced with a dash of the Holy Grail:
Peasant: "Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."
That guy could totally live in Galt. Mind you, this is working from memory from the Campaign Setting Book and the brief visit in the Eindo Kline segment, but it seems like it's all being played over the top as a joke.
Man, I do love those soul stealing guillotines, though!
Love Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Taldorian: (yelling) BE QUIET!
Peasant: You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!!
Taldorian: (coming forward and grabbing the man) Shut *UP*!
Peasant: I mean, if I went 'round, saying I was an emperor, just because some moistened bink had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!
Taldorian: (throwing the man around) Shut up, will you, SHUT UP!
Peasant: Aha! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!
Taldorian: SHUT UP!
Peasant: (yelling to all the other workers) Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP, HELP, I'M BEING REPRESSED!
Taldorian: (letting go and walking away) Bloody PEASANT!
Peasant: Oh, what a giveaway! Did'j'hear that, did'j'hear that, eh? That's what I'm all about! Did you see 'im repressing me? You saw it,
didn't you?!
If you are sceptical about how terrifying Galt can be take a look at Tarins thread.
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Wow, such a heated topic revolving around Galt. Hahah, who cares about what that place violates in someone's idea of fantasy.
What caught my eye was Alkenstar. Carappola. They have rifles. Guns! Blow you away! Bang!
This seems like a major departure to the medievalites. In Alkenstar, they even have a six shooter. Blam! Blam! Blam! Blam! Blam! Blam!
Yes, this isn't medieval RPG if you don't want it to be.
Believe it or not, my first go at D&D (as a DM) was with a class that never existed. My friend called it a "Techno". I called it grenades and a Double-Barrel Shotgun. He defeated three Tiamats all at once. I threw everything at that guy.
After that..... and the Barrier Peaks, anything goes in my book. Hobbits be damned.
Zuxius
My favorite sections of Golarion: Mendev and Lastwall. I focus on them, come up with maps for them, write up NPCs for them, etc.
Yay, happy to hear it - I actually wrote up both of those countries for the Campaign Setting, and it is neat to me to hear someone mention those as their favorites!
You earned it. If you look at the Cities of Golarion thread, you'll see more than a few people clamoring for Vigil details. That's no coincidence.
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I can understand the OP's issues, although Galt isn't a big deal for me.
There's a picture of someone in a suit and tie that irks me just a bit, as well as the Pith helmet that has already been mentioned. More because they just look silly that being an actual issue of great concern.
I must say, though, that a great many people that I have converted to Pathfinder, talked about (But don't game with) Pathfinder with and noticed buying Pathfinder, or asking about it at the FLGS aren't using Golarion at all (Sorry James and Co). Cool World and all, but a sizable percentage of folks weren't looking for a new Campaign setting, but rather the continuation of their already existent settings with viable rules (PF, obviously).
So, does nobody run their own settings anymore? The OP is free to create whatever he likes, with no need to step foot into Gloarion, or, as mentioned, just snip bits out that he doesn't like. As far as future products turning towards a less 'fantasy' slant, I doubt that the folks at Paizo are looking to alienate their base, but rather, to expand their World in new and refreshing ways.
For the Record, the only Pathfinder I am currently running is actually a mini campaign 'Retrovia', where I am converting all of my old (Retro, Baby!) fave 1st adventures to PF, most of which the players (Almost all 20-23, one 30, I am 39) have never heard of. Do you know how awesome it is, running White Plume Mountain, and nobody is quoting the Sphinx Riddles, or 'ready' for when the Ogre Mage (Disguised as a Halfling) attacks? :D
My point is that you can still run Pathfinder in your own setting, or an amalgamation of the elements that you like from their setting/ your own.
My current primary Campaign is actually HARP, not PF, and the same players,while at first a little unsure, have taken quite heartily to Skyships battling amongst the AethyrSea, flying Whales and Elemental-Crystal-Powered Tech, not to mention the modern notions of abolishing blatant and unrealistic racism/speciesism (Orcs and Ogres aren't automatically Evil, nor Elves Good, etc...).The flavor is more Verneian meets Pirates of the Caribbean than Tolkien (I love Tolkien, and an older setting of mine is more 'traditional', but I wanted to try some new things).
Perhaps your players might like some of the elements that you don't. I would ask a few before deciding that you were not going to give it a try.
Sorry for the OT bits...
-Uriel
Perhaps your players might like some of the elements that you don't. I would ask a few before deciding that you were not going to give it a try.
For me, it's not so much a matter of disliking the unusual elements of Golarion; I like the Eberron campaign setting, and it has various modern bits and pieces (railroads, airships). But I think Golarion suffers a little bit from trying to cover too many bases, as if it's trying to be Eberron, Greyhawk, the Forgotten Realms and Mystara at once. It just doesn't quite hang together perfectly for me, as if it was designed by committee.
For my purposes, I'd just try to medievalize the more modern areas by 50% (except maybe for Alkenstar) and de-power some of the more magic-heavy areas (Jalmeray in particular sticks out for me); that should work, I think. It's just a pity that if I have players looking at the art in the campaign books, I'll have to say: "Don't look at that picture -- there aren't any 3-piece suits or schoolgirl uniforms in my Golarion."
Usual disclaimers apply: One man's meat is another man's poison; there's no arguing with taste; YMMV; etc.
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To be honest, I don't like Galt so much... not because I don't like the 'modernity' of having the French Revolution in my D&D, but because it feels more like a parody of the French Revolution thrown in a stew pot with satired "<Bleep> the system!" modern anarchy, and spiced with a dash of the Holy Grail:
Peasant: "Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."
That guy could totally live in Galt. Mind you, this is working from memory from the Campaign Setting Book and the brief visit in the Eindo Kline segment, but it seems like it's all being played over the top as a joke.
The funny thing is that if Galt existed in Terry Pratchett's Discworld, I wouldn't bat an eye, and I'd probably love it. Since I generally adore humor and whimsy (including dark stuff) in fantasy (and why I like the Golarion goblins,) it feels a bit weird that the tone of Galt sets me off. Maybe I need to rethink my thoughts on the matter.
Man, I do love those soul stealing guillotines, though!
man
France waslike that for a while... so was mexicoafter their independance and after the revolution... itsd my country, but is damn true...caudillos and heroes joining themselves to take down the despot and dictator... only to be thrown months or years latter for the same reason... old comrades fighting among themselves for 'La Silla' (Presidential Chair... what in US would mean 'the Oval Office').
for example... google Antonio López de Santa Anna,this was one of our president... he waspresident 11 times in 22 years... i believehe was no more than 6 years in office if you get all of it toguether...
its no joke, it sentirely possible... Galt in the personal hurts and enticnes me quite personaly... its both the french rebulion and the mexican time after independance and the revolution, where warlords came up to take the power they handed to another... why? because they wanted La Silla too!
the Comedian had it right... he knew the joke... Galt is part of it... just because it can be true.
Um, there's always room for schoolgirl uniforms...
:D
-Uriel
Don't get me wrong -- I'm pro-schoolgirl uniforms. But I don't need to see any in the Tomb of Horrors or the Ghost Tower of Inverness. :-)
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Don't get me wrong -- I'm pro-schoolgirl uniforms. But I don't need to see any in the Tomb of Horrors or the Ghost Tower of Inverness. :-)
Um, there's always room for schoolgirl uniforms...
:D
-Uriel
Gods..the Umber Hulk in the Ghost Tower...
"Suddenly, as you backtrack through the Southern tunnel,a great rumbling occurs, followed by an Earthquake-Like eruption of earth and stone. Scrambling up after being thrown from your feet,you behold a massive beast, 12 feet tall, resembling a cross between a huge beetle and a dire ape. It's compound eyes focus upon you and it's adamantium claws clack against the walls in anticipation of your destruction... Around it's waist, a plaid skirt of red and black sits suggestively upon it's supple thighs, and white stockings and little black Mary Jane shoes complete it's outfit. Oh, and there are matching red bows on it's antennae..."
-Uriel
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Don't get me wrong -- I'm pro-schoolgirl uniforms. But I don't need to see any in the Tomb of Horrors or the Ghost Tower of Inverness. :-)
Um, there's always room for schoolgirl uniforms...
:D
-Uriel
Gods..the Umber Hulk in the Ghost Tower...
"Suddenly, as you backtrack through the Southern tunnel,a great rumbling occurs, followed by an Earthquake-Like eruption of earth and stone. Scrambling up after being thrown from your feet,you behold a massive beast, 12 feet tall, resembling a cross between a huge beetle and a dire ape. It's compound eyes focus upon you and it's adamantium claws clack against the walls in anticipation of your destruction... Around it's waist, a plaid skirt of red and black sits suggestively upon it's supple thighs, and white stockings and little black Mary Jane shoes complete it's outfit. Oh, and there are matching red bows on it's antennae..."
-Uriel
gah!!!
the horror!
that way lays madness! madnessI say!
I for one welcome some Pratchett in my Golarion.
Me too.
Hence the idea I should consider rethinking myself on my discomfort with Galt.
Don't get me wrong -- I'm pro-schoolgirl uniforms. But I don't need to see any in the Tomb of Horrors or the Ghost Tower of Inverness. :-)
Um, there's always room for schoolgirl uniforms...
:D
-Uriel
Gods..the Umber Hulk in the Ghost Tower...
"Suddenly, as you backtrack through the Southern tunnel,a great rumbling occurs, followed by an Earthquake-Like eruption of earth and stone. Scrambling up after being thrown from your feet,you behold a massive beast, 12 feet tall, resembling a cross between a huge beetle and a dire ape. It's compound eyes focus upon you and it's adamantium claws clack against the walls in anticipation of your destruction... Around it's waist, a plaid skirt of red and black sits suggestively upon it's supple thighs, and white stockings and little black Mary Jane shoes complete it's outfit. Oh, and there are matching red bows on it's antennae..."
-Uriel
::blink:: Oy ... that's an image that's going to stick in the brain and help advance the rot ::shudder::
"Suddenly, as you backtrack through the Southern tunnel,a great rumbling occurs, followed by an Earthquake-Like eruption of earth and stone. Scrambling up after being thrown from your feet,you behold a massive beast, 12 feet tall, resembling a cross between a huge beetle and a dire ape. It's compound eyes focus upon you and it's adamantium claws clack against the walls in anticipation of your destruction... Around it's waist, a plaid skirt of red and black sits suggestively upon it's supple thighs, and white stockings and little black Mary Jane shoes complete it's outfit. Oh, and there are matching red bows on it's antennae..."
*laughs hysterically*
its no joke, it sentirely possible... Galt in the personal hurts and enticnes me quite personaly... its both the french rebulion and the mexican time after independance...
Perhaps it's my ignorance or the distance from my point of reference (me not being from Mexico or France.)
I don't mean to demean the troubles that France or Mexico have gone through (and I apologize if I come across that way,) it just felt like Galt as written exaggerated the idea of revolution to the point where it was a grim joke... the type that the Comedian might tell, perhaps... but definetly the type that Pratchett would approach when he wanted to lay his finger on the paranoia and fanatacism that happen when Revolution goes wrong.
Gods..the Umber Hulk in the Ghost Tower..."Suddenly, as you backtrack through the Southern tunnel,a great rumbling occurs, followed by an Earthquake-Like eruption of earth and stone. Scrambling up after being thrown from your feet,you behold a massive beast, 12 feet tall, resembling a cross between a huge beetle and a dire ape. It's compound eyes focus upon you and it's adamantium claws clack against the walls in anticipation of your destruction... Around it's waist, a plaid skirt of red and black sits suggestively upon it's supple thighs, and white stockings and little black Mary Jane shoes complete it's outfit. Oh, and there are matching red bows on it's antennae..."
-Uriel
I declare this the best thing ever. You, sir, have anti-convinced me.
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Perhaps it's my ignorance or the distance from my point of reference (me not being from Mexico or France.)
I don't mean to demean the troubles that France or Mexico have gone through (and I apologize if I come across that way,) it just felt like Galt as written exaggerated the idea of revolution to the point where it was a grim joke... the type that the Comedian might tell, perhaps... but definetly the type that Pratchett would approach when he wanted to lay his finger on the paranoia and fanatacism that happen when Revolution goes wrong.
je don't get me wrong, i understand... i was not offended by your notion... it said Galt hurt as when the truth hurts for being true
yes... its a grim parody... but already France consider Mexico the realm of subrealism... and sometimes i have to agree
we have villains as heroes, heroes as villains, non-existant guys as heroes
PS: i agree with the Comedian thing... but by experience and observation I have learned that one person's drama or tragedy is almost always someone else comedy... see any comic show.. half the fun is to see what problems befall people...
Just a related point from the Iomedae! thread: It is difficult to create a fantasy product with names that sound good in English. Expecting it to sound as good to German, Spanish, etc ears is probably expecting a miracle. I've heard tell it's happened a couple of times, but shooting for miracle on a regular basis is probably not really fair. Scratch the "probablies". Though I feel your pain, it really has to be up to fans of Pathfinder of other tongues to massage pronunciation as necessary.It's interesting to note that the name "Galt" weirds me out precisely BECAUSE it's a real-world place—it's a town in central California near where my grandparents live. So the name sounds completely fine to me in English... it just weirds me out that it's the same name as where Grandma and Grandpa once taught elementary school back in the day...
I live in the town that James speaks of.
" Around it's waist, a plaid skirt of red and black sits suggestively upon it's supple thighs, and white stockings and little black Mary Jane shoes complete it's outfit. Oh, and there are matching red bows on it's antennae..."
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DM:"Having dispatched the last of the Trolls. you quickly ascertain that there is no loot worth taking, save a few coins in the nest."
Matt (Playing Khorge Ironheel, Dwarf Rogue) : 'I'm looking for Secret Doors.'
DM: (Rolls a few dice) "You do find an odd door at the back of the cave."
Morgan (Playing Brogan Irohheel, Dwarf Fighter) 'A door, er...OK. I smash through it.Then.we move in, we want to catch the next batch of monsters by surprise."
DM: "The door is easily cleaved in twain. A quick trip down corridor, which is lit by a sickly yellowish light, ends in a chamber unlike any that you have seen before.
A long light fortification of some sort stands some 3 feet high, and behind it are some 2 or 3 Orcs, all dressed in a green livery, bearing a crest showing some dark Queen or other. Standing in front of the fortification, perhaps engaged in some sort of nefarious deal are a bugbear, two duergar and a drider. All turn to look at you as you, the Ironheel Clan, enter...
Morgan: "Yargh, have at them, death to the Under-Dwellers!!!" (I Charge the Bugbear,Greataxe ready)
DM" Suddenly, in your brain, you hear **That is really quite rude...** and you are frozen in place by some magic or Psionic power..."
DM:Nearby, an Illithid slurps noisily at a drink of some sort, probably best left unknown. One of the Orcs smiles and says (With disgusting sincerity) 'Welcome to Starbuck's, Gentlemen, can I get a drink started for you?'. The Duergar point to the back of the strange Queve, indicating 'No Cut-zes'..."
-Uriel
The funny thing is that if Galt existed in Terry Pratchett's Discworld, I wouldn't bat an eye, and I'd probably love it. Since I generally adore humor and whimsy (including dark stuff) in fantasy (and why I like the Golarion goblins,) it feels a bit weird that the tone of Galt sets me off. Maybe I need to rethink my thoughts on the matter.
Speaking as someone who loves the little modern touches in Golarion, I agree that Galt seems particularly Pratchettian. And if I ever need to explain Ustalav to one of my friends in a hurry, I'll just say, "It's this setting's Uberwald."
Damn, now I'm wondering how he'd present the Pathfinder Society itself. Probably as a parody of travel agencies. "Well the Candlestone Caverns are just crawling with gremlins in early summer... I can book your party a ship to Andoran later this month, but one of you will have to sleep in the cargo hold."
I'm a little disappointed that, out of the five "major" nations (Andoran, Cheliax, Taldor, Qadira, Osirion), none of them really strike me as a plain vanilla, medieval England type of setting, at least not from the artwork I've seen so far. It's the same thing with Eberron -- it sometimes seems like it's striving too hard to be different than the "typical" setting (e.g. Greyhawk).Taldor is one such locale. Lastwall is another. Mendev is a third, and you might even include (if you can tolerate a bit of Eastern European flair) Brevoy.
But Taldor is the one you want. We're going to be making that a little more clear in the way we depict that nation artistically going forward.
--Erik
(Two years later...)
Sorry, Erik; I'm not seeing it. I'm still getting Taldor as a country of operas and swordcanes instead of castles and knights on horseback. Oh well.
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I'm a little disappointed that, out of the five "major" nations (Andoran, Cheliax, Taldor, Qadira, Osirion), none of them really strike me as a plain vanilla, medieval England type of setting, at least not from the artwork I've seen so far. It's the same thing with Eberron -- it sometimes seems like it's striving too hard to be different than the "typical" setting (e.g. Greyhawk).Taldor is one such locale. Lastwall is another. Mendev is a third, and you might even include (if you can tolerate a bit of Eastern European flair) Brevoy.
But Taldor is the one you want. We're going to be making that a little more clear in the way we depict that nation artistically going forward.
--Erik
(Two years later...)
Sorry, Erik; I'm not seeing it. I'm still getting Taldor as a country of operas and swordcanes instead of castles and knights on horseback. Oh well.
And foppish noblemen who run around waving their handkerchiefs and shouting "sacre bleu!".
Actually, Brevoy is the most "hardocre medieval" country so far, to me.
Holy Necromancy!
Whats the next you bring on? A cyber-democracy powered by magic?
Wait, we don't have that yet? Tshtshtsh. James, get on it! :p
And foppish noblemen who run around waving their handkerchiefs and shouting "sacre bleu!".
Shouldn't that be "Great scott, old bean!?!" ^^
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I like the patchwork of Golarion, makes any kind of adventure possible.
For the record my version of Pitax is a steampunk country ruled by a Victor Von Doomesque version of Irovetti. I tend to add things rather than remove them, because Golarion exists only as far as the edges of my table. What I dislike I ignore, what I like I emphasize.
Pretty much true of every CS I've ever run.
Hank are you some kind of terminator robot sent from the future to destroy mankind?
As for technology lvl's the exact same thing happened on earth (Simply compare the middle east's relative technology lvl to Europes during the middle ages or even today by comparing first world to third world countries.) So I don't really see there being a problem with having several countries at different technology lvl's
Exactly. I mean look at the "dark ages". Europe was a mess with technology set back 100 years or more. But, China and Japan? Black Death wasn't a problem for them, so they didn't suffer a setback. So, they got better tech. They invented fireworks, hot air balloons, all kinds of stuff that didn't hit Europe until 100-200 years later.
Another difference is to look at Bioware's Jade Empire setting. You have a traditional high-fantasy wuxia setting. Then in Imperial City you run into John Cleese in a Conquistador-like outfit stuck in the Jade Empire. He's got this strange weapon he calls "Mirabelle"... it makes loud noises and hurts very badly at range. Sure, the Jade Empire has fireworks just as China invented fireworks, but they never thought of guns... Europeans made those after they got the fireworks from China.
So, is the "Jade Empire" setting too modern cause another country with guns exists?
Another difference is to look at Bioware's Jade Empire setting. You have a traditional high-fantasy wuxia setting. Then in Imperial City you run into John Cleese in a Conquistador-like outfit stuck in the Jade Empire. He's got this strange weapon he calls "Mirabelle"... it makes loud noises and hurts very badly at range. Sure, the Jade Empire has fireworks just as China invented fireworks, but they never thought of guns... Europeans made those after they got the fireworks from China.
So, is the "Jade Empire" setting too modern cause another country with guns exists?
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That's awesome!
Now I want to play this game and get far enough to meet this guy this time!