Also, references aside, Hamar is giving me serious Conan flashbacks (the original short stories, not the films; speaking as someone who has read most of them many, many times).
Excellent, that is partially who I am trying to base him on but not completely.
My existential crisis with Kurt is that he was only a couple months older than me. The fact that I age on while he remains forever 27 is somehow disconcerting to me.
I was going to make a really bad joke (At least I THINK it was bad, I am really too tired to remember to be honest) ;P
But,... yeah, I get that. :)
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Also, references aside, Hamar is giving me serious Conan flashbacks (the original short stories, not the films; speaking as someone who has read most of them many, many times).Excellent, that is partially who I am trying to base him on but not completely.
Yeah I’ve read all of REH’s treatment of Conan (and a lot of his other heroes) as well as some of the DeCamp Conan , but REH was a master of the genre. Right up there with Fritz Lieber for sword and sorcery
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Also, references aside, Hamar is giving me serious Conan flashbacks (the original short stories, not the films; speaking as someone who has read most of them many, many times).Excellent, that is partially who I am trying to base him on but not completely.Yeah I’ve read all of REH’s treatment of Conan (and a lot of his other heroes) as well as some of the DeCamp Conan , but REH was a master of the genre. Right up there with Fritz Lieber for sword and sorcery
I have a few of DeCamp's books that I like a lot. (Not sure I've read any of his Conan?)
I've never been able to get into any of Fritz Lieber's stuff, I've read a couple of his books, but I never really 'got into them'. His writing style doesn't click with my brain I guess?
REH is one of those guys who seems to be so enjoyable and easy to read, but I can't put my finger on why. He just is.
:)
My theory is he paints a fictional world very well. Some of his work is a bit jarring to modern sensibilities, but you can’t deny the power of his prose. Much like his penpal HP Lovecraft
I think I pretty much agree with everything you just said Guy.
(It is past midnight here, and I am tired from running between rehearsals for TWO different shows I am in) :P
(What?!?! I'm a glutton for punishment, and applause) :)
ANYway, The primary difference between Tolkien's and ANYONE else's writing (In My Own Opinion) is that Tolkien was a Historian first and foremost. I think that shows in his writing.
(I mean, It's not like if I didn't know I would point at a Tolkien novel and yell, 'THAT was written by a Historian!', but you know what I mean)
:)
I've read all the Robert E Howard books, most if not all the Fritz Lieber stuff, all the Lovecraft stories, and these guys were definitely from a different time with different sensibilities, Tolkien was free om a similar time and likely had similar attitudes but it doesn't come through as blatantly in his writing. We're living in a different age and it's not fair to judge people from different eras to the standards we have today. If you do that almost everyone seems racist/sexist/homophobic. In 40 years I'm sure youths from that era are gonna hate something we believe today.
Howard and Tolkien are the two giants of fantasy though, Tolkien ruled high fantasy and nobody was better at the pulp fantasy than Howard, everyone that came afterwards were kind of trying to escape their shadows.
Oh I totally agree. My guess on what the future will come down upon is animal riding/eating/etc. should we perfect meat culturing to scale and we no longer have factory farms.
I'm currently against factory farming.
As am I. But I don’t find scenes of people eating turkey legs offensive. My thought is if we go beyond eating animals to cultured meat then people might find depicting animals being eaten as gross and vile. Changing mores and all that.
Or for that matter many farm scenes. Or an innocuous book like Charlottes Web when the main theme is preventing Wilbur from becoming pork chops
Tolkien was a linguist more than anything, his first job out of WWI was working for the Oxford English Dictionary, and if he was any sort of historian it was in translation of historic English literature, his first published work was a translation of a middle English text Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and he worked on translations of other English texts like the Anglo-Saxon Beowulf (which was written in England albeit not in English). I mean the man invented languages and writing styles for his stories including elven and dwarven alphabets. I'm sure he studied history very intensively, when you're a master of old languages you can't help but also be a historian on the side, but he was a professor of English language and literature. I don't think he ever taught history at all.
(I mean, It's not like if I didn't know I would point at a Tolkien novel and yell, 'THAT was written by a Historian!', but you know what I mean)
:)
See, THAT is interesting. I did not know (all) of that.
I was under the impression that he was a History teacher at Oxford. (Or was it Harvard? Ah whichever.) Every article I remember reading calls him a 'Historian'.To be fair, I think you are correct. I do not think that you can study 'ancient' languages without being at least a LITTLE bit of a Historian as well. :)
Oh, just an FYI, Karrin's last reply was meant to come as a direct response to Justin during the meeting with the guide and not at the meeting with Renkar. Reason being is that she was trying to sell the story that we're going to the location for Justin's research and, for Karrin's backstory, he's supposed to be in charge of that.
LOL, oh yes, I got that part.
(EDIT- Although It WAS past midnight here when I read that. So I totally did respond as if you had said that in the Rose and Renkar, instead of at Rovuk's.)
;P
I thought it was funny because I figured that while Justin likes giving orders, he doesn't really WANT the responsibility of 'official' leadership. (At least not yet) But OOC I am aware that Karrin is trying to foist that mantle off onto someone else. (Since her primary target for that role, [as well as the title of 'Most Beefy Arms'] had to take off on his own.) ;)
I just figured that was Karrin's (not-so)'subtle', passive/aggressive way of once more promoting another schmuck, I mean Justin, to the leadership role. ;)
Or for that matter many farm scenes. Or an innocuous book like Charlottes Web when the main theme is preventing Wilbur from becoming pork chops
I guess I'm not up on the whole "Cultured Meat' thing. (?!?)
Is THAT what we are now calling 'Factory Farms'?Doesn't seem very 'Cultured' to me! ;P
Tolkien was a linguist more than anything, his first job out of WWI was working for the Oxford English Dictionary, and if he was any sort of historian it was in translation of historic English literature, his first published work was a translation of a middle English text Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and he worked on translations of other English texts like the Anglo-Saxon Beowulf (which was written in England albeit not in English). I mean the man invented languages and writing styles for his stories including elven and dwarven alphabets. I'm sure he studied history very intensively, when you're a master of old languages you can't help but also be a historian on the side, but he was a professor of English language and literature. I don't think he ever taught history at all.
(I mean, It's not like if I didn't know I would point at a Tolkien novel and yell, 'THAT was written by a Historian!', but you know what I mean)
:)
Of course, there's also this.
Of course, there's also this.Tolkien was a linguist more than anything, his first job out of WWI was working for the Oxford English Dictionary, and if he was any sort of historian it was in translation of historic English literature, his first published work was a translation of a middle English text Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and he worked on translations of other English texts like the Anglo-Saxon Beowulf (which was written in England albeit not in English). I mean the man invented languages and writing styles for his stories including elven and dwarven alphabets. I'm sure he studied history very intensively, when you're a master of old languages you can't help but also be a historian on the side, but he was a professor of English language and literature. I don't think he ever taught history at all.
(I mean, It's not like if I didn't know I would point at a Tolkien novel and yell, 'THAT was written by a Historian!', but you know what I mean)
:)
Nice,...
I'm currently against factory farming.As am I. But I don’t find scenes of people eating turkey legs offensive. My thought is if we go beyond eating animals to cultured meat then people might find depicting animals being eaten as gross and vile. Changing mores and all that.Well yes, this is why I said people in 40 years might find our beliefs offensive. I like eating meat, I've been adding more vegetarian (can't do vegan) options but I still eat meat, and it's entirely possible that the people of the future will see this as abhorrent. I don't think I'm a bad person, just someone from my time, and like all people I'm a product of my age. If I think it's unfair for people of the future to judge my beliefs then it's only fair to give people of the past a bit of a pass on the stuff they believed.
In cases of writers like Lovecraft, who had some really racist segments in his stories, it's more of a result of him being isolated. People didn't really mix back then. Since the civil rights movements of the 60s people have become far more tolerant and Lovecraft was writing before the horrors of the second world war were discovered.
Humans have been eating meat since we were wandering around in loincloths. Not sure that is ever going to change. Some people may opt to not eat meat for a variety of reasons many of which I agree with. I still eat meat, pretty much every day and I don't see myself stopping.
We have goggles for this quest? I think we borrowed them or bought them right?
We have goggles for this quest? I think we borrowed them or bought them right?
yeah, leather clothing and/or smoked goggles should fall under the 5GP to 10Gp range I think?
(It is not leather armor, it is just another set of 'clothes', and the NICE outfits cost 10GP at most usually.)
Goggles MAY have a 'negative to perception' built into them, as they are dark enough to protect eyes from the brightness of the glaring light.
(Think to prevent snow-blindness) I'm guessing any negatives will be less than, or at least not any worse than, the negatives we would get from trying to fight/do anything withOUT them protecting us from the glare!
;P
Humans have been eating meat since we were wandering around in loincloths. Not sure that is ever going to change. Some people may opt to not eat meat for a variety of reasons many of which I agree with. I still eat meat, pretty much every day and I don't see myself stopping.
Mmmm,... MEAAAAAAT!
I once heard it said, "Salad is NOT food. Salad is what food EATS!"
:)
I LOVE my meat.
I also (sometimes, sorta, kinda) like some vegetables. Especially when served with MEAT! :)
I am perfectly fine with those who choose to eat veggies. For whatever reasons. But PLEASE stop trying to get ME to give meat up!
It. Aint. Happenin'.
;P
I had a co-worker who a vegetarian once. For him it was a life-style choice. (His wife was Buddist I think? So for her it was personal/religious)
The POINT is, he tried to convince me that,...
"Meat has no flavor".
?!?!?!?!?
Seriously, he once spent OVER an hour trying to convince me that the ONLY thing that you ever tasted with meat was any seasonings that were used with/in/on it. That Meat itself was flavorless.
THEN he spent another hour trying to convince me that he could make "Chicken" fajitas but with TOFU, and that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between his tofu fajitas and Chicken fajitas.
Yeah,.... NOPE. SORRY, NADA. NUH-UH. NO WAY HOSEA!
I'll buy that that you can make 'good' Tofu Fajitas,
I'll even buy that you make them so good that I'll like them.
But NO WAY can you possibly make tofu indistinguishable from chicken.
And Sorry, but meat + fire = 'YUMMY" no other seasonings required. (Even if I like them!) ;P
<Drops Mic, THEN drops meat on grill, pops open an alcoholic beverage, and proceeds to enjoy the non-existent yet somehow still-yummy smells coming from the grill)
;)
EDIT- <As an afterthought, stir frys some veggies to go with his MEAT. Just to make the vegetarians not as cranky. Who says the old wizzie isn't a people person?!?> ;P
I think the problem there is that you're thinking that vegetarian options have to mimic meat and I'd say that's usually a pretty big fail, I mean the "beyond meat" bugger isn't bad but it's clearly not hamburger, but when I eat vegetarian options I usually have food that just never had meat in it to begin with. Like there's a ton of Indian options that don't have meat in them, one of my favorite pasta sauces has no meet at all. Things like ratatouille are really good but have no meat. I couldn't give up meat entirely, I love a roast chicken, steak, bacon, sausage, most meats really, and don't get me started on sea food. Vegetarian meat substitutes are usually pretty bad though and if you're going to try a vegetarian option don't try the vegetarian meat substitution.
Mmmm,... MEAAAAAAT!
I have a friend who has been Vegan since 1988. When I hang with him, meat is not an option, I eat Vegan. The food is damn good but I won't do it everyday :-)
I've been pescatarian for the last 17 years (can't give up sushi).
I decided to try it ut while enjoying a steak at a high-end steakhouse. Went full on no land/air meat the next day, out of curiosity of how it would affect my training and flexibility (was working on my 1st degree at the time). Loved the results and never looked back.
Or for that matter many farm scenes. Or an innocuous book like Charlottes Web when the main theme is preventing Wilbur from becoming pork chopsI guess I'm not up on the whole "Cultured Meat' thing. (?!?)
Is THAT what we are now calling 'Factory Farms'?Doesn't seem very 'Cultured' to me! ;P
No , cultured meat is the next food revolution. All the meat, without the innate cruelty
Should this technology succeed (and I kinda think it has to) it will bring about several social upheavals:
-The thought of slaughtering a live animal and eating it will become much less mainstream. It will never disappear, certainly, but it will eventually be considered atavistic and cruel (much as hunting is these days)
-factory farms will disappear. This will be a distinct bonus in many ways: morally, resource-conservation, and climate change (a lot of greenhouse gasses come out of livestock by way of farts)
-livestock populations themselves will crash, but those that are left will live much more happier lives (and likely their full span as more pets than food)
-lab meat opens up a whole range of alternative meats that are not economic or morally possible today: lark’s tongue, beetle, monkey, dog, human. If it’s just meat cells grown on a lattice, any type of meat can be scaled up. You could have hummingbird mcnuggets
Or for that matter many farm scenes. Or an innocuous book like Charlottes Web when the main theme is preventing Wilbur from becoming pork chopsI guess I'm not up on the whole "Cultured Meat' thing. (?!?)
Is THAT what we are now calling 'Factory Farms'?Doesn't seem very 'Cultured' to me! ;P
No , cultured meat is the next food revolution. All the meat, without the innate cruelty
Should this technology succeed (and I kinda think it has to) it will bring about several social upheavals:
-The thought of slaughtering a live animal and eating it will become much less mainstream. It will never disappear, certainly, but it will eventually be considered atavistic and cruel (much as hunting is these days)
-factory farms will disappear. This will be a distinct bonus in many ways: morally, resource-conservation, and climate change (a lot of greenhouse gasses come out of livestock by way of farts)
-livestock populations themselves will crash, but those that are left will live much more happier lives (and likely their full span as more pets than food)
-lab meat opens up a whole range of alternative meats that are not economic or morally possible today: lark’s tongue, beetle, monkey, dog, human. If it’s just meat cells grown on a lattice, any type of meat can be scaled up. You could have hummingbird mcnuggets
Like the Jetsons?
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Or for that matter many farm scenes. Or an innocuous book like Charlottes Web when the main theme is preventing Wilbur from becoming pork chopsI guess I'm not up on the whole "Cultured Meat' thing. (?!?)
Is THAT what we are now calling 'Factory Farms'?Doesn't seem very 'Cultured' to me! ;P
No , cultured meat is the next food revolution. All the meat, without the innate cruelty
Should this technology succeed (and I kinda think it has to) it will bring about several social upheavals:
-The thought of slaughtering a live animal and eating it will become much less mainstream. It will never disappear, certainly, but it will eventually be considered atavistic and cruel (much as hunting is these days)
-factory farms will disappear. This will be a distinct bonus in many ways: morally, resource-conservation, and climate change (a lot of greenhouse gasses come out of livestock by way of farts)
-livestock populations themselves will crash, but those that are left will live much more happier lives (and likely their full span as more pets than food)
-lab meat opens up a whole range of alternative meats that are not economic or morally possible today: lark’s tongue, beetle, monkey, dog, human. If it’s just meat cells grown on a lattice, any type of meat can be scaled up. You could have hummingbird mcnuggets
Oooooo,...
It's FAKE meat. Made from,... meat?!? O_oSo it's basically the Star Trek Replicator. More or less. :)
Hummingbird McNuggets! NOw I want DINO steaks! Dino -Sized!
:)
I think the problem there is that you're thinking that vegetarian options have to mimic meat and I'd say that's usually a pretty big fail, I mean the "beyond meat" bugger isn't bad but it's clearly not hamburger, but when I eat vegetarian options I usually have food that just never had meat in it to begin with. Like there's a ton of Indian options that don't have meat in them, one of my favorite pasta sauces has no meet at all. Things like ratatouille are really good but have no meat. I couldn't give up meat entirely, I love a roast chicken, steak, bacon, sausage, most meats really, and don't get me started on sea food. Vegetarian meat substitutes are usually pretty bad though and if you're going to try a vegetarian option don't try the vegetarian meat substitution.
Mmmm,... MEAAAAAAT!
Noooooo,... the only problem is that he was trying to convince me that meat has no flavor of its own. He was (And presumably still is) certifiably insane. :)
I have no problem whatsoever with others choosing to eat a primarily vegetable-based diet. (Whether Vegan or Vegetarian, or whatever)
I might even try some of the things they introduce me to. As you pointed out, there are a great many curry dishes that do not include meat, and are yummy. ;) And I (unlike my mother) actually DO like a few vegetables. But seriously, I usually prefer them WITH meat. (Pot roast or Fajitas anyone?!?) :)
But I refuse to avoid what I like just because someone else doesn't like it. If I have to watch you chow down on an avocado and bean sprout sandwich, (Which isn't bad, with enough Miracle Whip) then YOU have to watch ME enjoy the heck out of a cheeseburger! ;P
EDIT- Dangit, We need to change the subject. It's almost midnight here, and all this talk is making me HUNGRY! ;P
Or for that matter many farm scenes. Or an innocuous book like Charlottes Web when the main theme is preventing Wilbur from becoming pork chopsI guess I'm not up on the whole "Cultured Meat' thing. (?!?)
Is THAT what we are now calling 'Factory Farms'?Doesn't seem very 'Cultured' to me! ;P
No , cultured meat is the next food revolution. All the meat, without the innate cruelty
Should this technology succeed (and I kinda think it has to) it will bring about several social upheavals:
-The thought of slaughtering a live animal and eating it will become much less mainstream. It will never disappear, certainly, but it will eventually be considered atavistic and cruel (much as hunting is these days)
-factory farms will disappear. This will be a distinct bonus in many ways: morally, resource-conservation, and climate change (a lot of greenhouse gasses come out of livestock by way of farts)
-livestock populations themselves will crash, but those that are left will live much more happier lives (and likely their full span as more pets than food)
-lab meat opens up a whole range of alternative meats that are not economic or morally possible today: lark’s tongue, beetle, monkey, dog, human. If it’s just meat cells grown on a lattice, any type of meat can be scaled up. You could have hummingbird mcnuggets
Oooooo,...
It's FAKE meat. Made from,... meat?!? O_oSo it's basically the Star Trek Replicator. More or less. :)
Hummingbird McNuggets! NOw I want DINO steaks! Dino -Sized!
:)
We’ll it’s meat grown in a lab. So, it’s real, objectively, and identical to the meat cells an animal would grow. So, is it ‘fake?’ Well, I don’t think so. I think it will take getting used to for some folks, but I imagine once the tech is straight they’ll undercut the factory farms pretty quick. If you have lab steak for $2/lb and ‘real’ steak for $15/lb that taste identical, it’s pretty easy to predict who will win that battle.
Oh yeah, I get that.
I'm all kinds of down for getting a T-Bone for $2 instead of $15.
;P
If anyone wants to do a similar side quest like Justin, just let me know.
Also, there’s a climb check due on the page. I’m going to assume anyone who didn’t make the roll soon is basically AFK semi-permanently and we are going to write them out of the narrative.
Hey Pat, in case I haven't actually SAID it, (Cuz I cant recall if I have, lousy short-term memory at times)
Thanks for the side-quest! I'm having a blast!
:)
I hope that the craziness calms down soon, (and everyone stays safe! as well as sane) and that all of our online friends can re-join us in the main thread.
:)
Hamar already has his side (con)quest :-)
Hamar already has his side (con)quest :-)
Lol,
yes. Yes he did. ;)
I'll roll in a moment, sorry it's been a little crazy
It's been a LOT of crazy!
Everyone take care!
Pat, '
I just want to apologize,
I was so happy to be playing the side-quest, that I kinda went into 'Journal-mode' as opposed to 'PbP mode'.
:D
Sorry, I'll try to keep the 3 pages of background for the JOURNAL and not dump it all in the thread! :)
A small update:
With the store where I work going out of business, the colleges all being shut down, and everything here in town being locked down like something from a zombie movie, the only way I can make a living is by going back to working odd jobs, which means spending a lot of time out in the boondocks with no internet or cell service.*
Due to all of this, for the foreseeable future, I will likely be alternating between being totally AWOL and being glued to my computer.
A small update:
With the store where I work going out of business, the colleges all being shut down, and everything here in town being locked down like something from a zombie movie, the only way I can make a living is by going back to working odd jobs, which means spending a lot of time out in the boondocks with no internet or cell service.*
Due to all of this, for the foreseeable future, I will likely be alternating between being totally AWOL and being glued to my computer.
Understood. You were cool enough to alert me. I’m sure everyone’s going to be facing difficulties coming up. I’m very fortunate to have gotten a white-collar job where I can telework. Three years ago I’d be fukked. Stay safe man, and post when you can.
Pat, '
I just want to apologize,
I was so happy to be playing the side-quest, that I kinda went into 'Journal-mode' as opposed to 'PbP mode'.
:DSorry, I'll try to keep the 3 pages of background for the JOURNAL and not dump it all in the thread! :)
.
Lol. It’s fine. We just can’t take the side quest too far. You did manage to get to the plane of Mineral with all your limbs intact. Just no running down to Deadtown just yet.
I'll roll in a moment, sorry it's been a little crazy
Understood. You’ve been posting regularly, but there’s one person *cough* Flash *cough* who hasn’t.
Pat, '
I just want to apologize,
I was so happy to be playing the side-quest, that I kinda went into 'Journal-mode' as opposed to 'PbP mode'.
:DSorry, I'll try to keep the 3 pages of background for the JOURNAL and not dump it all in the thread! :)
.
Lol. It’s fine. We just can’t take the side quest too far. You did manage to get to the plane of Mineral with all your limbs intact. Just no running down to Deadtown just yet.
<Salutes>
Oui Mon Capitain Monkey!
:)
Um,... yet?!?
O_o
The skinny wizzie was sorta hoping he could avoid THAT part entirely.
Yeah,... No. He not THAT lucky.
;P
Besides, what's a few (hundred?!?) Undead between friends? Right?!
I mean, it's nothing that a few (dozen) fireballs can't fix!
:D
Nope. Yer Right. No jumping into Deadtown. Got it.
;P
(Besides, it's not like he wants to start re-decorating UnderSigil in a 'Fire Sale' motif, and then discover that SHE doesn't like the style. THAT would be,... B. A. D.)
;P
Understood. You were cool enough to alert me. I’m sure everyone’s going to be facing difficulties coming up. I’m very fortunate to have gotten a white-collar job where I can telework. Three years ago I’d be fukked. Stay safe man, and post when you can.
Ugh!
I can only imagine what some people are going through right now.This IS the first time I have NOT complained about being salary for the 12 years since I got this job (at a University).
Turns out being salary DOES have benefits. Who Knew? ;P
(Still have to go in to the University. I am considered 'Essential Personnel'. And it is hard to Tele-anything when you run a auditorium.) ;P
I am 54 years old. I have seen stuff from the Moon landing (I was VERY young , but I DO recall it!), Vietnam (on TV), SARS, been through Hurricane Katrina. etc etc.
THIS is some messed-up STUFF. Everyone please take care of yourself.
Seriously, I know I joke a lot, and ramble,...
But David, Pat, and everyone, take care and Prayers for all.