Greatest, Bad TV Line of all time:
In movies, it is the norm, in movies that go straight to DVD it is expected, but on a TV show?
Go to 34min:45sec of "Our Mrs. Reynolds", and listen to Jaynes' quip.
I was laying on the floor laughing so hard my roomy asked me what was wrong with me --- that discussion is for another time.
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I love Castle all on it's own, but this weeks episode was just a whole nother level of awesome.
Alexis: Besides, didn't you wear that, like five years ago? It's time to move on.
Castle: (dressed as Mal) But, I like it
:-D
Pure gold.
Mal Returns. Or, does he?
Nathan Fillian as Mal just this past week on TV:
First 3-4 minutes all that's required to see...
Best. Episode. EVER!!! :)
It shall never be deleted from my DVR. At least until I can buy Season 2 on DVD, that is... :D
it was very cool
I love Castle all on it's own, but this weeks episode was just a whole nother level of awesome.
Alexis: Besides, didn't you wear that, like five years ago? It's time to move on.
Castle: (dressed as Mal) But, I like it
:-D
Pure gold.
Hilarious, but the better line was --
Alexis (Disgusted, confused look): What are you supposed to be?Castle: A space cowboy!
Alexis: There is no such thing.
I love Castle all on it's own, but this weeks episode was just a whole nother level of awesome.
Alexis: Besides, didn't you wear that, like five years ago? It's time to move on.
Castle: (dressed as Mal) But, I like it
:-D
Pure gold.
No kidding! Totally for the fans. Castle is well written and I am glad they were able to treat space cowboys with at least a little respect.
Watch Castle. You will be glad you did.
Just watched that episode here in Oz where I have been waiting for a Firefly in-joke. Nat must've kept the costume and good on him for doing so.
Castle stands up on it's own as a TV show too.
Cheers
Mark
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Oh, I wish...
Amen to that.
Aside, did anyone think the FBI Visitor was going to have a spear shoved through his gut on V? ;-)
A new graphic novel due in November will explore the backstory of Shepherd Book. Written by Zack Whedon from an outline provided by his brother Joss, THE SHEPHERD'S TALE will shed some light on Book's background and reveal the secrets people were left asking after FIREFLY and the movie SERENITY.
Oh, I wish...
he has been on castle two seasons now. Good show
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Oh, I wish...he has been on castle two seasons now. Good show
Speaking of which, we just bought Heat Wave. Anyone read it yet?
(and I'm two books away from completing my Dresden Files collection! Whoo hoo!)
Just curious—how many Firefly fans watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
I think Buffy was one of the best shows ever (although I refused to watch it for the first three years or so because I hated the name). The way Buffy evolved over the first four seasons suggest to me that what we saw of Firefly was just Joss establishing setting and character so that he could really make things interesting in future seasons.
A little late to the party but, I got a kick out of the campy movie. Then the series appeared and I was turned off by a misconstrued statement that it was a girl's show (me being younger I wasn't going to be that guy) and missed the first couple of seasons. Then I actually watched an episode and voila became a huge fan. Thankfully I learned to watch something before judging it now so I'm not as ignorant as I used to be. But Firefly went the same route as Farscape for me, I discovered it as it was dying a death of corporate greed...
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Not only were all of those shows—including Firefly—launched and cancelled by Fox between Family Guy's last episode in 2002 and the first episode in 2005, but they didn't even include a bunch of the reality shows that suffered the same fate.
I'm pretty sure that not all of the shows listed fell into that period. I'm fairly sure that Dark Angel came before Family Guy was cancelled (and I think it might have come before Family Guy first aired). I'm less sure about Wonderfalls, but I don't remember ever hearing about Family Guy before I saw Wonderfalls. The only other show on the list that I watched was Firefly, which DID come in that time period.
A new graphic novel due in November will explore the backstory of Shepherd Book. Written by Zack Whedon from an outline provided by his brother Joss, THE SHEPHERD'S TALE will shed some light on Book's background and reveal the secrets people were left asking after FIREFLY and the movie SERENITY.
I'm not sure this is a great idea. Sometimes some things are best left as unanswered questions.
My biggest problem with Whedon is that he sometimes doesn't know when to call it quits. Buffy had a great ending at the end of the fifth season, but they brought it back for two more seasons that were not anywhere near the quality of the previous few, at least in my opinion. Angel was cancelled before this could really happen to it, and from what I've read about the sixth season comic books, not a moment too soon. And I prefer that Firefly burned bright and hot for a short lifespan than to exist for longer but be greatly dimmed. I think Firefly was easily his best TV work, and only rivaled in his entire body of work by his turn on Astonishing X-Men, in my less than humble opinion.
I think Adam Baldwin used his infamous "I'll be in my bunk" line on Chuck this week.
I think Adam Baldwin used his infamous "I'll be in my bunk" line on Chuck this week.
He did indeed. Some things are just instant classics.
I think Adam Baldwin used his infamous "I'll be in my bunk" line on Chuck this week.He did indeed. Some things are just instant classics.
Oh, I missed it! When was it, and I'll watch it again online?
Firefly had 15 good episodes...when Star Trek TNG came on I was in the second season before I could say the same thing. And I do worry that it would have rough keeping up the quality for the 4 or 5 seasons it would have taken to get to were the Serenity movie took us. As it was, Serenity made a good end cap to the series.
However I would love to see an anthology series set in the 'Verse.
A one off episode with the firefly crew every now and then, but with stories of other groups...frontier marshals, Companions turned spies, maybe some prospectors taking their chance in Reaver territory...
River's little > madness < .
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Firefly was a brilliant piece of television. I have the boxed set signed by Summer Glau and Jewel Staite.
Every time I watch it, I get sad at the end because I know there'll never be any more than what there is. Like seeing a perfectly sculpted statue trapped, half finished in stone.
But I love it, it convinced me that Cowboys could be fun and interesting. Then I went and watched "The Good, The Bad and the Ugly" and "Fist Full of Dollars" and "For A Few Dollars More". I learned a lot about great story telling.
Also Wash is the bomb-diggity.
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I still say they need to bring Wash back as a discovery in a Blue Sun facility of a dozen clones - Our Wash being the one that escaped.
All the Clones are of some pilot the Blue Sun Corporation sent on a test flight through a Hypergate - some plan to see if it was possible to send colonists to some faraway solar system further afield.
I still say they need to bring Wash back as a discovery in a Blue Sun facility of a dozen clones - Our Wash being the one that escaped.
All the Clones are of some pilot the Blue Sun Corporation sent on a test flight through a Hypergate - some plan to see if it was possible to send colonists to some faraway solar system further afield.
This would be an awesome fanfic.
1st Post. The entire series is being repeated over here in the uk on the horror channel of all places. Yay!
1st Post. The entire series is being repeated over here in the uk on the horror channel of all places. Yay!
Of course it's being shown on the horror channel- it's FIREFLY!
;-)
REAVERSSSssssss.......... !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still say they need to bring Wash back as a discovery in a Blue Sun facility of a dozen clones - Our Wash being the one that escaped...
I'd like to see them try an old tv trick I loved with Wash.
Back in my youth, the Magnum PI tv show (yea, I'm that old)had John Hillerman who played the butler play "half-brothers" who looked the same but acted and spoke totally different.I can just see it now: Wash's half-brother Dirk walks onto the ship with black hair and a mustache, but backlighting makes his hair seem yellow. Zoe come out and embraces him...and then gets it's not Wash.
This one would be close to Wash in temperment, but every few episodes, a new "half-brother" shows up giving Tudyk a chance to ham it with different characters while still keeping him on the show.
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Wll, for one thing, I doubt we'll actually see any more live-action Firefly. For another, I don't like the idea of "ressurecting" Wash. Yes, he was a great character. But ressurecting him, or giving him half-brothers that look/act just like him, etc. just waters the character down. One of the biggest traps that some fantasy/sci-fi can fall into is death becoming rather meaningless, as characters are brought back far too often.
I have to agree. As much as I like Walsh and entertain the idea of them not killing him, his death heightens risk. Who else might get the axe? It would also make his death less poignant. I would very much like to see Zoe's character develop through this death.
It should have been River who got the tree. She blabed about Miranda and had no other purpose so Wedon should have offed her instead.
I agree from a narrative perspective, she is the least useful. I doubt he would have ever considered dropping his Mary Stu.
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I think Serenity's weak spot is that it is a summation of Season 4, when we didn't see seasons 2-3,
Serenity is River's story. "Inbetween"
About the only thing that would be a constant would have been Jayne.
I honestly don't know where he'd have gone with 'Serenity 2, electric boogaloo'. If the comics are any indication, Zoe's pregnancy would have been a centerpoint. I'd love to see 'sane' River and Jayne bond, kind of him taking Simon's place as a 'big brother' figure, for Simon and Kaylee to become a couple.
I agree from a narrative perspective, she is the least useful. I doubt he would have ever considered dropping his Mary Stu.
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Did you just compare Firefly to "Bad Fan Fic"?
Well, yes, but in the context that Firefly is still 'good'. River is a Mary Sue; a palatable one, but one nonetheless. Wesley Crusher was a much greater offense, in my opinion.
Also, in my opinion, there is some very good Fan Fic out there. Writers ten times greater than some of the drek that gets published.
I have not read the novels. I have heard they are much better than the movie. I do consider the movie version of Twilight to be Bad Fan Fic. However, having said that, I do not classify Bella a Mary Sue. In fact, I believe the author tried so hard to not make her one, she went in the opposite direction and made her so weak she became just as uninteresting as a character as any Mary Sue.
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I don't think it's possible to do a good continuation of the Firefly storyline past Serenity, at least not without heavy ret-conning. Too much changed in a way that made storytelling difficult.
River, in particular, was re-written between the series and the movie. In the series, the Feds want her for what she is. (Remember, they have strict orders to bring her in alive.) In the movie, this is switched so that they're hunting her to kill her off, because of what she knows, and once the crew reveal the secret of Miranda, the Feds more-or-less stop hunting her. The character was changed from someone who could process information inhumanly well, to someone who could literally read minds. In the series, when she attacks Jayne with a butcher knife, she gets one good slice in, and then he man-handles her. The crew holds him back from killing her, right then. In the movie, she's a super-efficient hand-to-hand killing machine. Who has a magic kryptonite word that Simon (and presumably Alliance mooks) know.
In the series, Reavers are ridiculously scary boogie-men. A single Reaver is a threat to an entire Alliance ship. The Serenity crew don't even consider being able to fight off a handful of them. In the movie, they're just biker orcs. River (admittedly a hand-to-hand killing machine) takes on an entire platoon of them, single-handedly, and kills them all with handaxes. Really, the next time the crew encounters Reavers, there's not going to be a lot of dramatic tension.
I don't think it's possible to do a good continuation of the Firefly storyline past Serenity, at least not without heavy ret-conning. Too much changed in a way that made storytelling difficult.
The only way to continue that setting, is to follow up the results of the Miranda revealation. Quite possibly a second civil war.
And, there are certainly reasons for the Alliance to keep hunting River, but it is mostly for revenge at that point.
Did you just compare Firefly to "Bad Fan Fic"?Well, yes, but in the context that Firefly is still 'good'. River is a Mary Sue; a palatable one, but one nonetheless. Wesley Crusher was a much greater offense, in my opinion.
And everybody, except Eugene Wesley Roddenberry himelf, knew it.
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Courtfool is wise beyond his dog years.
Courtfool is wise beyond his dog years.
Don't go starting nasty rumors like that about me!
I don't think it's possible to do a good continuation of the Firefly storyline past Serenity, at least not without heavy ret-conning. Too much changed in a way that made storytelling difficult.
River, in particular, was re-written between the series and the movie.
Ah, but remember that the Serenity movie was what Whedon planned on spending 4 seasons getting to. Also remember that he was shy on whether the Blue men were government or Blue Sun. It would be easy to see that the company would want to get back it's next big product...but over time they could have resolved that by having the government back out of the project for fear of information leaking out. The existance of a psychic assassin would be bad for an "enlightned" government. That would happen about season 3, probably with a cliffhanger that would be resolved at the beginning of season 4.
Then someone in the government--perhaps the very person whose memory River saw--finds out just how extensive River's powers might be. Then they would need to find her and hide or destroy the memory. That would be season 4's ending, setting the stage for what finally happens in it's last season which was condensed into a 2 hour movie. You could easily imagine 2 or 3 episodes where the doctor and river leave serenity then are reuinited later, where we are introduced to Mr.Universe and even a slow introduction to the Operative of Parliment. And remember also that it took a command code to activate her combat abilities...the doctor knew her safe word, but not neccessarily her activation code. That would have happened in season 4 or 5 as the Operative goes after her.
As for the reavers--their boogieman quality was their reputation. Over time they would be seen more often, the crew would have scrapped with them, barely escaping, but seeing them less as their reputation for monsters as insanely violent humans that are tought to kill but killable nonetheless. Don't forget--their battle at the beginning of the Movies was while running away, not standing and fighting. They had no choice but to stand against them at the end of the movie, and they held them at a chokepoint where they were easier to deal with.