Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but I'm really curious as to what race/class the 11 Paizo iconics will be. I love Wayne Reynolds work, and the iconic fighter and sorceress we have already glimpsed are terrific. (Which reminds me -- what race is the sorceress? Probably human, but could be elf or half-elf as far as I can tell?) What other iconics can we expect to see?
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Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but I'm really curious as to what race/class the 11 Paizo iconics will be. I love Wayne Reynolds work, and the iconic fighter and sorceress we have already glimpsed are terrific. (Which reminds me -- what race is the sorceress? Probably human, but could be elf or half-elf as far as I can tell?) What other iconics can we expect to see?
Most will be human. The sorceress is human, but being a sorceress, we wanted her to look strangely exotic in some subtle ways. Coming up next, we'll have an elf rogue and a human cleric. Eventually we'll cover all of the core classes, but the majority of our iconics are going to be human.
Most will be human. The sorceress is human, but being a sorceress, we wanted her to look strangely exotic in some subtle ways. Coming up next, we'll have an elf rogue and a human cleric. Eventually we'll cover all of the core classes, but the majority of our iconics are going to be human.
Thanks James, I'm glad to hear it and really look forward to seeing each of these new iconics unveiled.
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I saw on the Blog that the Iconic Fighter is a two weapon user. He seems interesting and looks good but does this mean the Ranger won't be a two weapon user? Anyone can make an archery ranger. Since the iconics will be given stats as pregenerated characters I was hoping to see a two weapon fighting ranger build that can survive as a warrior.
I'm hoping that each adventure path will have different iconics. Especially since pregens are going to be included.
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I'm hoping that each adventure path will have different iconics. Especially since pregens are going to be included.
Well, we're going to have eleven iconics in total, and if past adventure paths are any indication only four will be featured for each one. So you'll sorta get your wish, in that the four used will likely differ with each path.
Well, we're going to have eleven iconics in total, and if past adventure paths are any indication only four will be featured for each one. So you'll sorta get your wish, in that the four used will likely differ with each path.
I'm hoping that you won't use the same ones repeatedly.
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I saw on the Blog that the Iconic Fighter is a two weapon user. He seems interesting and looks good but does this mean the Ranger won't be a two weapon user? Anyone can make an archery ranger. Since the iconics will be given stats as pregenerated characters I was hoping to see a two weapon fighting ranger build that can survive as a warrior.
Yes, the ranger is an archer. And I'm a little baffled by the comment that "Anyone can make an archery ranger." Can't anyone also make a two-weapon ranger?
That extra feat at 1st level is hard to pass up, isn't it? :)
THE TRUTH
It's a human world and we're all just living in it. Oh. Wait. We're all humans. So it's okay. Cool. ;-)
But seriously, props on Valeros the two-weapon wielding fighter. A definite "thumbs-up" on the first iconic revealed so far. And the tantalizing glimpses of the sorceress makes that one look really nice as well. Keep'em coming, guys...and any word on which deity the iconic cleric will represent?
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It's a human world and we're all just living in it. Oh. Wait. We're all humans. So it's okay. Cool. ;-)
But seriously, props on Valeros the two-weapon wielding fighter. A definite "thumbs-up" on the first iconic revealed so far. And the tantalizing glimpses of the sorceress makes that one look really nice as well. Keep'em coming, guys...and any word on which deity the iconic cleric will represent?
--Neil
The iconic cleric is a worshiper of Sarenrae, the goddess of the sun and redemption. For the FR fans out there, Sarenrae's kind of like a cross between Eilistraee and Lathander, I suppose.
The iconic cleric is a worshiper of Sarenrae, the goddess of the sun and redemption. For the FR fans out there, Sarenrae's kind of like a cross between Eilistraee and Lathander, I suppose.
I'm sorry but the times I've seen that deity's name come up my eyes keep seeing "saran-wrap". I think my players would have a field day with me if I introduced a deity of plastic food coverings. :P
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I'm sorry that I was unclear in my earlier post. It is true that anyone can make a two weapon ranger also but as a DM since 3.5 edition came out (I haven't been able to play a character myself)I have not seen one survive for long. Maybe it is my friends who tried to play them. I have also been reading the boards over the years and many opinions are that a character with d8 hit die, light armor, and -2 attacks is not an ideal melee fighter. Even the Player's Handbook 2 suggests that if a ranger is the party's melee fighter then the cleric should have a lot of healing and buffs to keep him on his feet. I was just hoping to see what the creative minds at Paizo would do to design a melee ranger that survives. Like what feats you guys would give him, what would have been your spell choices, etc. No big deal really, I was just curious what you all would do.
Can you not go Half-Orc with the Barbarian if possible? Every Barabrian I see is a bloody Half Orc...
PS The fighter and sorceress look awesome.
I love the iconic sorceress. Will you do more with her tatoos than just make them ornamental (by which I mean: do they do cool stuff)?
Didn't you already do an iconic elf rogue for Dungeon.
Half-orc barbarian? Bah! Halfling barbarians unite!
where are you guys 'seeing' these icons? What did I miss?
When can we expect minis of the iconics?
I love the iconic sorceress. Will you do more with her tatoos than just make them ornamental (by which I mean: do they do cool stuff)?
Didn't you already do an iconic elf rogue for Dungeon.
Half-orc barbarian? Bah! Halfling barbarians unite!
hear hear!! halfling barbarians are scrappy, mean, tenacious bastards in a fight. half orcs are just brutes. halflings are so mean, they'd bite your kneecaps!
and you really can't make a melee ranger, i've tried. every one i've ever done over the past 5 years has always died after 2 or 3 levels. it's best to make a 2 wpn fighter, the'll survive longer at least. but with a d8 hit dice and usual low con scores, don't expect to build a tank. in a pinch, between a cleric and a ranger, i'd take the cleric.
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Are any of the other characters on the pathfinder covers (I understand these are not final) iconics? If so I'm guessing we have a paladin, a barbarian, a rouge (????), and a... camper (???).
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Are any of the other characters on the pathfinder covers (I understand these are not final) iconics? If so I'm guessing we have a paladin, a barbarian, a rouge (????), and a... camper (???).
Those are placeholder images. So far, we've revealed only the fighter and the sorcerer. Next up is the rogue, and then the cleric. They should be ready within a month or so to show off.
I just read the entry on Seoni, and already she looks to be my favorite of the iconics. My interest was piqued as soon as I saw her in the art previews, and having now gotten some info about her, she's even cooler than I expected. Though, I was a bit bummed to find there was no high-res image included in the entry like there was with Valeros.
Speaking of Valeros... I can't quite put my finger on just why, but he's a breath of fresh air compared to nearly every other pre-generated fighter I've seen. Maybe it's cause the guy seems like he knows how to have fun, as opposed the brooding, angst-ridden warriors that are a dime a dozen.
Oh, and Wayne Reynolds' artistic contributions? Absolutely stunning. Nearly every new illustration of his leaves me awestruck. I'm finding it difficult to lavish praise on his work without gushing like a giddy fanboy, so I'll leave it at that.
...So far, we've revealed only the fighter and the sorcerer. Next up is the rogue...
And we're all expecting a sexy female elven rogue, right? I mean, bring on some more babes, man. Don't get me wrong. Seoni the sorceress is definitely a step in the right direction. But give us Wayne's take on a female elven rogue, too, please. Plus, since there was a previous male elven rogue from earlier APs...it'd be nice to include a female elf this go round.
The iconic cleric is a worshiper of Sarenrae, the goddess of the sun and redemption. For the FR fans out there, Sarenrae's kind of like a cross between Eilistraee and Lathander, I suppose.
Cool. I was kind of hoping it would be the Dawnflower. But I'm curious. I've seen you personally refer to her as Sarenrae a couple of times now. And yet, the blog entry spelled her name as Saranrae. So would the real goddess of the sun and redemption please stand up? ;-)
Is it Sarenrae or Saranrae?
--Neil
So as far as the names of the iconics . . . we have Valeros the fighter, and Seoni the sorcereress . . . The wizard (?) that was posted as the third of the three pathfinder wallpapers . . . can you shed some light on his name?
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So as far as the names of the iconics . . . we have Valeros the fighter, and Seoni the sorcereress . . . The wizard (?) that was posted as the third of the three pathfinder wallpapers . . . can you shed some light on his name?
The mouseover lists him as Karzoug. He's the Runelord of Greed according to one of the Blogs. The BBEG, not a party member.
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Yup; the third guy is Karzoug; not an iconic, but the main villian of Rise of the Runelords.
And it's supposed to be spelled "Sarenrae" with an e. Rhymes with:
Bear-in-ray
With the accent on the first syllable.
Spelling it with an A makes it look like saran wrap. Which is not the intent.
Though, I was a bit bummed to find there was no high-res image included in the entry like there was with Valeros.
Whoops - you can find the high-res version here.
Spelling it with an A makes it look like saran wrap. Which is not the intent.
See, I'm not going crazy. That was the problem I posted about above. :)
Great work on the iconics guys. I can't wait to see the rest of them although I would have preferred a bit more racial variety. I get that humans are versaitle and all but this is a great opportunity to add real flavor to your setting. Distinct flavor like you did with goblins. It seems like a wasted opportunity. It's a minor complaint however. The Iconics look far and away more interesting than any WotC has come up with.
I'm anxiously waiting for my first issue. I'm loving the Blog. Keep up the great work!
See, I'm not going crazy. That was the problem I posted about above. :)Just 'cuz you're right doesn't mean you're not crazy, Rhoth. ;D
He he... ;)
Are you implying James is crazy too? :P At least I'd be in good company (I hope...)
And thanks for getting the shortened version of my online nickname correct. You don't know how many people I've had to tell "you forgot the first 'h" over the years. :D
Though, I was a bit bummed to find there was no high-res image included in the entry like there was with Valeros.Whoops - you can find the high-res version here.
Ah, thank you! :)
I'd also like to express my gratitude for the generous resolution size on the Valeros' image. I don't believe I've ever been fortunate enough to see anything by WAR so up-close before. Every little nick in Valeros' armor, the fletching of his arrows, the metal pieces on his belt, the scars on his face... Simply awesome to behold!
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Are you implying James is crazy too? :P
Yes.
At least I'd be in good company (I hope...)
Yes. Yes you would be. :)
And thanks for getting the shortened version of my online nickname correct. You don't know how many people I've had to tell "you forgot the first 'h" over the years. :D
No worries, mate. My name is frequently misspelled, too, so I try to be conscious of how other people spell their names (and then, by extension, get it right). :)
Well, there is a full-screen desktop wallpaper featuring the tattooed temptress.
Well, there is a full-screen desktop wallpaper featuring the tattooed temptress.
Aye, said wallpaper is adorning my desktop as I type this. :) Though, I believe Welverin's referring to the '1000 by 1684 pixels' treatment that Valeros received. I must admit, once you've gotten such a close-up view of Wayne Reynolds' art... well, you get addicted.
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Tattooed temptress large as life. Not sure if we've linked to this image before, but here it is. 1000x1672 pixels of iconic goodness.
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Can you not go Half-Orc with the Barbarian if possible? Every Barabrian I see is a bloody Half Orc...
PS The fighter and sorceress look awesome.
Yes, let's have us a dwarf or even a gnome for the barbarian, please. The half-orc can make a fine monk or druid.
And something other than half-elf for the bard. A half-elf paladin might be interesting, for example.
Tattooed temptress large as life. Not sure if we've linked to this image before, but here it is. 1000x1672 pixels of iconic goodness.
Sha-ZAM! That's the one we were looking for.
Much thanks to you good sir!
Tattooed temptress large as life. Not sure if we've linked to this image before, but here it is. 1000x1672 pixels of iconic goodness.
WOW, There is so much detail
QUESTION: How are guys statting up the iconics -- Point buy? If so 25, 28, 32? Thanks!