Stonehenge Puzzle #2


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Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Here's the place to discuss the second Stonehenge puzzle from Titanic Games. Please don't post the answer, though!


When will it arrive, Gary?

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Patience! :-)

I'll update my post with a link to the puzzle when it's live.

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Here's the new puzzle.


Gary Teter wrote:
Here's the new puzzle.

I feel my head exploding already... and I've only just started looking at the puzzle...

Excellent!

Happy Hallowe'en all!


Definitely going to need a hint here...


Hate the be that kid who slaps his pencil down after completing a test first but... solved it. It took me about 12 minutes but that's only because I knew exactly what I was looking at this time.

Paizo Employee CEO

Yeah, I got it in about the same amount of time. If your first instinct leads you in the right direction, it is pretty easy. The first puzzle was so hard for me because my first instinct was in entirely the wrong direction. Thank god I got this one right, or I would have to give up on the idea that I have brains. :)

-Lisa

The Jade wrote:
Hate the be that kid who slaps his pencil down after completing a test first but... solved it. It took me about 12 minutes but that's only because I knew exactly what I was looking at this time.


The Jade wrote:
Hate the be that kid who slaps his pencil down after completing a test first but... solved it. It took me about 12 minutes but that's only because I knew exactly what I was looking at this time.

Okay nevermind, I've got it now.

Very nice puzzle!


OH BOY A NEW PUZZLE!!!!!!!!!!


I figured out the question easily enough, but finding the answer took a lot of Google searches. Perhaps it's one of those Things I Should Have Learned in School, Had I Been Paying Attention™.
-LB

Scarab Sages

I got it. If getting it takes you to a another design diary by Selinker. I enjoyed this one a lot more because it fed my unearned sense of superiority.

Tam

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

So, folks are a lot quieter on this one. Is it because everybody's figuring it out without help, or is it something else?

Having fun with it? Not?

-Vic.
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I suspect it's because it wasn't as well publicized on BGG. There was a comment from a user earlier today in the thread announcing the original puzzle.

I wouldn't have noticed at all if I didn't subscribe to updates to Stonehenge on BGG. There was nothing in your feed (http://paizo.com/titanicGames&xml=atom), and I sure as heck don't have the time to go check publisher sites manually every day.

Haven't had a chance to look at the puzzle yet, other than a cursory glance. I'm currently assuming it's some sort of cipher, but as I said, no chance to actually look at it.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

dyfrgi wrote:
There was nothing in your feed (http://paizo.com/titanicGames&xml=atom), and I sure as heck don't have the time to go check publisher sites manually every day.

Content on that page won't be changing much. A better feed for you would be the Titanic news feed: http://paizo.com/titanicGames/news&xml=atom .

-Vic.
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Vic Wertz wrote:

So, folks are a lot quieter on this one. Is it because everybody's figuring it out without help, or is it something else?

Having fun with it? Not?

-Vic.
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I enjoyed this one as it allowed me to use a piece of trivia I really thought I'd never get a chance to use... like most pieces of trivia.

Sovereign Court

Not too sure about this one. At first I thought it was a standard cryptogram in which the letters just needed to be replaced with others. I've never been really good with those, and I'm too lazy to spend the time deciphering letters (especially after reading Order of the Stick). Then I thought that seemed overly simple as a solution, if somewhat time-consuming. Now I'm not too sure. I'll give it another try and if that doesn't work I'll wait for the first clue.


The starting point for me was noticing the apostrophe.


I noticed that 5 of the figures face left and 2 face right (although that probably should be counted as 4 figures facing clockwise and 3 counterclockwise). If you're confused about which way to go, you could take a vote...
-LB

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

LurkerBeneath wrote:

I noticed that 5 of the figures face left and 2 face right (although that probably should be counted as 4 figures facing clockwise and 3 counterclockwise). If you're confused about which way to go, you could take a vote...

-LB

The direction the druids are facing is completely arbitrary. I pointed them left or right because I liked the way they look. :-)


Gary Teter wrote:
LurkerBeneath wrote:

I noticed that 5 of the figures face left and 2 face right (although that probably should be counted as 4 figures facing clockwise and 3 counterclockwise). If you're confused about which way to go, you could take a vote...

-LB
The direction the druids are facing is completely arbitrary. I pointed them left or right because I liked the way they look. :-)

I think Lurker was just assigning roles to the randomly placed druids in order to fuel a cleverly concealed clue about which direction to move.

That is what you were doing, right Lurk?

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

The Jade wrote:
I think Lurker was just assigning roles to the randomly placed druids in order to fuel a cleverly concealed clue about which direction to move.

I figured that as well. I just wanted to clarify what's part of the puzzle, and what's just artistic license. (I should also clarify that I didn't create this puzzle, I just did the photoshop work.)


Gary Teter wrote:
The Jade wrote:
I think Lurker was just assigning roles to the randomly placed druids in order to fuel a cleverly concealed clue about which direction to move.
I figured that as well. I just wanted to clarify what's part of the puzzle, and what's just artistic license. (I should also clarify that I didn't create this puzzle, I just did the photoshop work.)

I would have liked to have given a creative clue myself but my artistic license is suspended until January.

ATTICA! ATTICA!

You did the graphics? Neat.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

The Jade wrote:
You did the graphics? Neat.

Gary did the compositing. The druids were drawn by Jeff Carlisle and the 3-D model of Stonehenge was done by Corey Macourek.


Vic Wertz wrote:
The Jade wrote:
You did the graphics? Neat.
Gary did the compositing. The druids were drawn by Jeff Carlisle and the 3-D model of Stonehenge was done by Corey Macourek.

Great job all!


The Jade wrote:

I think Lurker was just assigning roles to the randomly placed druids in order to fuel a cleverly concealed clue about which direction to move.

That is what you were doing, right Lurk?

I didn't know whether the druids' placement was random or clever, so I thought I would assume the latter and try to come up with a reasonable interpretation.

It just occurred to me that the technique used to disguise the parts of the "question" is very appropriate because it has something in common with the answer.
-LB


I liked the 'take a vote' part. Subtle yet effective.

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

A clue! A clue!

We've added a clue to the puzzle for those who need it.


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

I think it took longer to find the answer than it did to find where to look.

Everything else just kind of fell into place.


The Jade wrote:
I liked the 'take a vote' part. Subtle yet effective.

It was also intended as a reference to US election day, although my timing was a bit late.

-LB


LurkerBeneath wrote:
The Jade wrote:
I liked the 'take a vote' part. Subtle yet effective.

It was also intended as a reference to US election day, although my timing was a bit late.

-LB

I caught that. Clever and many levelled. It's a subtle art, giving clues that aren't thinly veiled outright answers.


I still had the little Excel file I created to work out what Haley was saying, which made things a bit easier. Having said that, it also misled me into thinking that I only had one code to crack - but there aren't enough letters available for that, really, are there?

Now I think about it, the first puzzle was made slightly easier by the fact that I'm currently running The Whispering Cairn! I guess there's only so many ways to set up puzzles like this...

Vic, I think the reason people are quiet here is that it's difficult to say much without giving away the solution - which would spoil other people's fun.


This one took me less time to figure out but more time to get around to working on. The post about the apostrophe being the starting point was spot on.
Cheers,
David

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Our current thought is that that next puzzle is probably going to be much, much harder than the second, and even a fair bit harder than the first. In fact, it might even need to be a collaborative effort for a lot of you.

Does that sound interesting?

-Vic.
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I'm definitely voting for a more difficult puzzle!


Vic Wertz wrote:

Our current thought is that that next puzzle is probably going to be much, much harder than the second, and even a fair bit harder than the first. In fact, it might even need to be a collaborative effort for a lot of you.

Does that sound interesting?

-Vic.
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Sure, I enjoyed the banter on the first puzzle's thread.

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6

Not being much for cryptograms, I never tried to solve this one. What's the question that it decrypts to?

(puzzle #3 is already out)

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Right. Answers. Answers are good. Stop reading now if you don't want to know...

This puzzle is a caesar shift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_shift), a code named for Julius Caesar, who gave us our early info about druids. Counting clockwise from the top right capstone, the number of the stone tells you how far back in the alphabet to shift the gibberish word, going back to the Z if you reach the A. So if the fifth stone has a druid saying "JRUJWTW'X," you’d rotate the letters back 5 places to get EMPEROR'S. Getting all the answers right spells "Emperor's sword whose name means 'Yellow Death.'" Julius Caesar's sword whose name means Yellow Death is CROCEA MORS. So the solution URL is http://titanic-games.com/croceamors.

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