Always good to have the knowledgable folks around.
Here's another one: If one was being frisked, when is it legal for the officer to reach into one's pocket or pants? (the object felt and grabbed was a bag of a "dried leafy plant" as documented)
Like F2K said, the test on what is legally considered a frisk (a Terry stop) would be "plain feel." Since bags of dried leafy plants don't feel dangerous (unless there is some ninja contact poison action going on), that's beyond a "frisk" situation at that point.
However, when a "frisk" becomes "effective arrest" is pretty blurry. Then there is the whole "search incident to arrest" issue.
Bella Sara Charter Superscriber
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Actually my friend this is not true...I just checked the stats and I know quiet a few police officers from my days in law enforcement. I have also chatted with real Criminal Justice instructors who work in the field. The opposite is true. Now I am not saying that F2K is full of it all I am saying is that his experience appears not to be the norm...So please if you are going get it right. Thanks
I can't figure out:
1. What exactly you think is not true;
2. The tone of your message; or
3. What the phrase "if you are going get it right" means in the English language.
To be brief, my earlier statement was accurate. People frequently confess in response to entirely innocuous questions. There are several lines of case law on the subject. It happens and it happens frequently. Is it the norm? I doubt it and I didn't say it was. I believe what I said was:
The reason the police do that is because very frequently, the suspect will blurt out something incriminating.
And, as mentioned, in the event they do blurt out something, you just got some admissible evidence outside of Miranda.
Maybe you work with a higher cut of criminal that is smart enough to not admit guilt at the drop of the hat. Federal agents don't normally deal with the run of the mill traffic violations or street questioning where these situations typically arise.
The stuff about the law was completely correct.
So if you are going to challenge me with a tone that suggests you're talking down, please get it right. Thanks.
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No, but the average criminal rolls 3d6, uses either Wisdom or Intelligence for their dump stat, and then gets high or drunk before committing a crime.So I take it police officers all have the "master manipulator" feat from the PHB II?
Or are they using psionics?
I stole the paladin's platinum pieces while I was on guard duty and he was sleeping.
Dammit, why did I say that?
I strongly disagree with putting people in jail who are drug "users" while I still don't buy the whole "legalize everything" movement.
Thats how I feel. I know a lot of cazual users and they can handle. Yet I have seen other drugs devestate whole communities and many of my own family.
I hung out with potheads and occasional users of stronger drugs all through high school. Most are grown up now, a few aren't. I have family who avoid me because they know what I do for a living, but it's okay, it's their life, if that's what they want to do then they know what the potential consequences are.
Because I do not do drugs and I tend to police the area around the youth center I work at, a lot of old friends avoid me. I had to ask a good friend to leave my work, because he was kookoo high on ice to the point of being incoherent. He used to help me with security when we held dances or hoolaulea (music and food events). But know he hates me and is convinced I have been calling vice on him. But he is paranoid, dellusional and not the same man I know and love. sigh..
I hate the fact that the Maui police department is considered the 4 most corrupt in the nation. I am not who are the top three. They say that because we are a small community isolated on an island and that leads toward nepatism and corruption. You woulod think a large police force would be more corruptable, no my little island community police force is hugely corrupt. I knew this for a while one of my cousins main partners in crime (ice use) was a cop, he is still a cop. My cousin spent a few months in jail and has been in rehab and clean for a year know
Actually my friend this is not true...I just checked the stats and I know quiet a few police officers from my days in law enforcement. I have also chatted with real Criminal Justice instructors who work in the field. The opposite is true. Now I am not saying that F2K is full of it all I am saying is that his experience appears not to be the norm...So please if you are going get it right. Thanks
The reason the police do that is because very frequently, the suspect will blurt out something incriminating. Case law is chock full of suspects that yell out things like "I killed her and buried the body in my backyard" when the officer asks "why were you going so fast?" Also, the conversation that you have with a police officer prior to arrest is outside of Miranda. So, if they ask how you are doing and you respond with something incriminating, that statement is not going to be excluded because you had not received your Miranda rights. Finally, if the officer says something to you and you respond with a very sketchy answer, that can be part of the grounds for probable cause to justify a warrantless search.Asking you how you are doing is a surprisingly effective tool of evidence gathering. As F2K said, people love to needlessly confess to the police.
I only worked patrol for 4 1/2 years before I made detective and went on to work other types of cases, but if you are saying that the vast majority of people do not tell the police that they have dope on them, that's true.
What I was referring to was when I actually "patted people down" on Terry stops, which I didn't have the legal right to do on every stop, since I can only pat them down when I can articulate a reason why I think they might have a weapon on them.
When the level of my stops escalated to that, I would pat them down and ask them "do you have any drugs or weapons on you, because if you tell me now and are honest with me, I might go easier on you than if you give me a hard time." That was a surprisingly effective tactic and about 3/4 of the time, they'd just pull their stash out of their pocket and hand it to me.....and at that point if there was a way I could cut them some slack, especially if they hadn't done anything else. If they were DWI or had just committed another offense, then I wouldn't cut them any slack, because the drugs would be an extraneous offense, but if I just stopped them on their way to pick up their kids or get milk and they had a couple of joints on them, why should I ruin their life just for that?
That's the specific 75% confession rate situation I was referring to. I'm a pretty convincing guy I guess, but most officers I know do the same thing with relatively the same success rate. It's a total bluff--I counted on the fact that they "thought" they were going to get "thoroughly" searched in order to get them to "volunteer" the evidence. That's perfectly legal. The real street smart crooks just kept their mouth shut and if they had their dope stashed someplace where it wasn't immediately obvious from a pat down of their outer clothing what it was, then they'd get away with it.
So I take it police officers all have the "master manipulator" feat from the PHB II?
Or are they using psionics?
Let's put it this way--if you HAVE comitted a crime and you can sit down in a room for a few hours with one or two experienced detectives and NOT confess, you're an absolute, total sociopath.
I'm not talking about casual questioning here, just to make that clear--I'm talking about a structured interrogation.
Let's put it this way--if you HAVE comitted a crime and you can sit down in a room for a few hours with one or two experienced detectives and NOT confess, you're an absolute, total sociopath.
I'm not talking about casual questioning here, just to make that clear--I'm talking about a structured interrogation.
Back after a long time away, not in jail mind you, and I have to say that the past two pages of this thread concerning crime and punishment were... page turning. A corpse exploded on ya? Dude. I mean... I would buy the book.
I think that interrogations rely on people's inability to keep their story straight, their fear, and perhaps their lack of experience with being interrogated. It is something you might be able to get used to.
Although not letigious by nature, a client of mine once caused a situation whereby my hand became reft in twain. Amazing that it looks just like a regular hand again... thanks ol' buddy. (talking to the hand)
I asked for some help and it was denied so I had no choice. When I brought suit I had to prepare for my EBT, or examination before trial. Now, I'm known far and wide as a chatty, self-revealing sort and a friend who is a corporate lawyer feared enough to borrow a tape for me from work that instructs people in the art of response to EBT questions, especially how to avoid getting tricked into saying too much.
They tried to trick me a few times at the EBT with questions like "Would it be fair to say...?", but I was ready and responded with, "What does that mean?". I frustrated their best attempts, but also made them laugh, a lot. And when the person I was suing got their turn they blurted out a couple of things in the first three minutes that ended any need to go to court, my attourney said to the defendent's insurance company's attourney, "I've never had anyone hand me a case so fast."
So I guess there really is a technique to controlling the truth in such situations. That said, I never did indulge that slay spree through the gulf states killing drifters with a sweatsock full o' quarters so maybe I don't know what it is to endure interrogation while actually being guilty of something.
I'd probably shake as if there were an earthquake. Really.
A corpse exploded on ya? Dude. I mean... I would buy the book.
The corpse exploding was the bloated body of a 350 pound alcoholic who was one week dead in an apartment without A/C in July in West Texas. We had to help the corpse transporters put the body in a series of bodybags zipped together and as we lifted him, his putrid gas filled body ruptured and his "juices" drained out all over the floor and my uniform pants and boots.
That's the book...gloriously entertaining, isn't it? I had to throw away the pants and the boots and scrub my feet with 25% diluted bleach solution, including under the nails, to prevent gangrene.
Nothing heroic or entertaining about it, I'm afraid. Just disgusting and sad for the poor bastard who died.
Police men scare me; i think of them as one big gang; thank God they have oversight committees and stuff like that and allow citizen ride alongs. I have very little experience with police other than watching them run red lights, sitting out in dark places with there lights off, stuff like that that seems dishonest to me. I have no idea how to gage the profesionalism of the police force where I live, but what I read in the paper alarms me and how they have turned the whole idea of illegal entry and search and seizure on its head; in my mind completely abandoning our protections under the 4th amendment. That police can and will break down your door and enter your home without even announcing themselves is complete crap and the act of cowards. I constantly read about fouled up identities and them entering the wrong establishments and killing people; it is terrible and wrong. And, I dont know how to deal with racial profiling; that bugs me, but to neither of these problems do I have a solution. All I do know is that if the police are investigating you for some suspected thing; it is terrible and the social stigma is horrible. Even if you are found innocent or in there words; there is no evidence, you have to live with people comming up and asking you about what was the deal with that thing back then. It can really bite to be in the wrong place at the wrong time even if you are doing no wrong. Just my two bits; I am very civically minded but police scare me, but then so do gang bangers and people who act like gang bangers cause I am bit niave and cant tell the difference. Police, like government, is difficult to live with, but the alternative is much worse.
The corpse exploding was the bloated body of a 350 pound alcoholic who was one week dead in an apartment without A/C in July in West Texas. We had to help the corpse transporters put the body in a series of bodybags zipped together and as we lifted him, his putrid gas filled body ruptured and his "juices" drained out all over the floor and my uniform pants and boots.That's the book...gloriously entertaining, isn't it? I had to throw away the pants and the boots and scrub my feet with 25% diluted bleach solution, including under the nails, to prevent gangrene.
Nothing heroic or entertaining about it, I'm afraid. Just disgusting and sad for the poor bastard who died.
Didn't mean to hit a nerve. Reading your account was like watching a movie scene that causes anyone with gallows humor to laugh, not the grim reality of smelling the smells, considering the ugliness of mortality, and bleaching my boots. Sorry 'bout that, chief.
Edit: and truth be told, I wasn't even speaking to humor when I wrote that... so I should probably stop apologizing along that vein. I said it was page turning. That meant compelling.
Doube Edit: And by compelling I was referring to the process of reading what everyone had to say about prison on down over the last two pages, not just that fragement from one of your posts.
It's all good, Jade--when I posted a snapshot of my early police experiences, I was replying to Bill Lumberg's speculation that it would be cool to drive around traffic with your police overhead lights on. I was trying to point out that police work is not very heroic or glorious 99.9% of the time--it's just a matter of keeping your community safe while surviving to go home to your family at the end of the day.
That police can and will break down your door and enter your home without even announcing themselves is complete crap and the act of cowards.
What about if your neighbor had your kid hostage and was going to slit her throat if he knew the police was coming? Wouldn't you want the police to have the "option" to go in unannounced then?
Remember that very few search warrants are no knock warrants, but the police can and will go into your house if they show up and someone inside is screaming for help. Would that be cowardice as well?
Want to tell this guy's widow that her husband was a coward for entering a house unannounced to save a woman's life?
Be careful throwing the word coward around...it's a very powerful word and evokes strong emotions in people like me. Entering a house unannounced is one of the most dangerous things an officer can do and it is never done lightly or without justification, precisely because it is so dangerous.
I'm not trying to pick a flame war with you Valegrim, but when the word coward gets thrown out, I'm going to respond. Many of my past partners have gone to extraordinary lengths to save lives, AVOID killing people and take people into custody with the least amount of force necessary...some of them have died and some of them have been grievously injured while doing so.
I constantly read about fouled up identities and them entering the wrong establishments and killing people; it is terrible and wrong.
Those mistakes are unacceptable, as is medical malpractice, as are drunken airline pilots. Fortunately, that doesn't happen very often and when it does, the amount of press it generates can make the frequency seem higher than it actually is.
As far as police persecution is concerned, all I can tell you is that at least in my City and in most other major cities at least, the cops don't have time to waste going after innocent people. Our detectives get about 25-35 cases a week--basically if there isn't some sort of probable cause to believe an offense has been committed, they're not going to bother with it, because they just don't have time.
It's all good, Jade--when I posted a snapshot of my early police experiences, I was replying to Bill Lumberg's speculation that it would be cool to drive around traffic with your police overhead lights on. I was trying to point out that police work is not very heroic or glorious 99.9% of the time--it's just a matter of keeping your community safe while surviving to go home to your family at the end of the day.
I now recall the nature of your reply to Bill... but at the time I was just done reading a few thousand words before reading your mention of structured interrogations. And so I'd already forgotten your unglamorous tone when replying.
Sorry again to cross wires. I'm not a dark-side-of-the-web guy who can look at autopsy photos. I did once and it didn't do good things for mind's eye for awhile. Oddly, when I've asked others, the only people I've ever known who seem to look at that kind of stuff are women. Kind of like the ratings for televised kickboxing. Mostly women.
So, I think I've proven that it's women that are keeping the world so violent and gory. Why if men were in power...
Hey Valegrim,
I'm at peace with what you said, really. If you're truly afraid of the police, I wholeheartedly encourage you to take advantage of any citizen ride-along program or citizen's police academy that your jurisdiction may offer.
Perhaps you might get involved in your neighborhood's crime watch program and meet your local community service officer. Ask questions, get involved. Make your neighborhood safer and better for everyone, even the cops. Education reduces fear...and even if you're still afraid, at least your decision will be based on something substantive rather than stuff you've been spoon fed by the media or pop culture (to include the TV show "Cops" which only shows the 1% stuff)
A corpse exploded on ya? Dude. I mean... I would buy the book.
The corpse exploding was the bloated body of a 350 pound alcoholic who was one week dead in an apartment without A/C in July in West Texas. We had to help the corpse transporters put the body in a series of bodybags zipped together and as we lifted him, his putrid gas filled body ruptured and his "juices" drained out all over the floor and my uniform pants and boots.
That's the book...gloriously entertaining, isn't it? I had to throw away the pants and the boots and scrub my feet with 25% diluted bleach solution, including under the nails, to prevent gangrene.
Nothing heroic or entertaining about it, I'm afraid. Just disgusting and sad for the poor bastard who died.
I've had the supreme pleasure of trying to pick up dismembered corpses rotted enough that the flesh just came off the bones.
I also had a mummified corpse de-liquesce on me after being exposed to air for the first time in a century and a half.
None of the above was entertaining in the least either. You just keep at it because it is your job to try to set what has gone horribly wrong at least a little bit right.
No, but the average criminal rolls 3d6, uses either Wisdom or Intelligence for their dump stat, and then gets high or drunk before committing a crime.So I take it police officers all have the "master manipulator" feat from the PHB II?
Or are they using psionics?
LOL!!!
None of the above was entertaining in the least either. You just keep at it because it is your job to try to set what has gone horribly wrong at least a little bit right.
That's the best way to quickly summarize what police work and similar lines of work are all about....thanks!
Back to a gaming related rant:
I hate it when experienced players don't pay enough attention at the gaming table to get the "hints" the DM is dropping and then act all indignant when their character ends up doing something stupid. They then try to backpedal and claim that their 30+ years of D&D experience should count for something and that I should let them "redo" something their character did because "had they known all the facts" their character wouldn't have done the stupid thing in the first place.
Just because you've been playing for 30 years doesn't make you God's gift to role-playing. Pay attention and when the DM speaks, shut the f*&* up and listen. I don't care how long you've been playing D&D.....
Was just saying that the system has problems; of course I support immediant threat analysis action if the situation warrants; but I am mostly talking about planned raids with ATF and other agencies involved all in black with no or little or difficult to see identification. I think most of the time the police just knock on the door and ask a few questions if there is some complaint they are responding to and act accordingly. My biggest issue with police is percieved irresponsibility and corruption and just plain incompetance. But I only have my experiece; granted very little; do draw from and what i read or see in news reports. During the times I was on jury duty, it seemed many policemen were unorganized and careless; by this I mean that one officer spent nearly an hour telling us about a case; then said wait a minute; that is the wrong case; then told us a completely different story; in my mind his credibility was shot. It is a matter of professionalism I suppose with is a matter of training and leadership. I get the feeling that here in the southwest it is more good old boy network and politics; and that is scarey.
**marriage-ending rant**
I hate that my once-peaceful life has turned upside down.
I hate that my (soon-to-be-ex) wife has turned into a psychotic maniac.
I hate that she won't do anything to help out with our dissolution.
I hate getting a dissolution.
I hate that it's quickly turning sour and heading for divorce-land.
I hate that she won't let me see the kids as much as I'd like.
I hate that she brings her new boyfriend around the kids for "sleepovers". What an insensitive **bad word for female anatomy**. It's only been two friggin months. If you need to get laid so bad, go get laid, but don't be doing it around the kids. That's just pathetic.
I hate that she seems to forget that the kids have feelings and are very hurt by this whole thing and that everything she does is geared just to p*** me off without any regard to how the kids see and feel things.
I hate that I'm becoming a bitter woman-hater.
Blah.
**rant over**
I hate that it's quickly turning sour and heading for divorce-land.
I hate that she won't let me see the kids as much as I'd like.
I hate that she brings her new boyfriend around the kids for "sleepovers". What an insensitive **bad word for female anatomy**. It's only been two friggin months. If you need to get laid so bad, go get laid, but don't be doing it around the kids. That's just pathetic.
I hate that she seems to forget that the kids have feelings and are very hurt by this whole thing and that everything she does is geared just to p*** me off without any regard to how the kids see and feel things.
Not that I want to drum up business for my own profession, but if this is what's going on, you owe it to yourself and to your kids to see a lawyer. One with Family Law experience. At least for an "initial consultation." Go to your state bar website and see if they have a program to connect potential clients to attorneys with appropriate specialties. They MIGHT even have a program for massively reduced fees for this kind of situation (Missouri does or did, Wisconsin does not).
That's the best way to quickly summarize what police work and similar lines of work are all about....thanks!None of the above was entertaining in the least either. You just keep at it because it is your job to try to set what has gone horribly wrong at least a little bit right.
Thanks!!!
Of course, I began to feel so much "bad juju" weighing down on me from that job that I started to feel like some kind of real-world version of a necromancer. It didn't help to have c. 40 boxes of yet-to-be-reburied skeletal remains in my cubical.
I decided to go to law school to get away from all that. I do sometimes wonder if that was the right direction to get away from "bad juju" though.
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**marriage-ending rant**
I hate that my once-peaceful life has turned upside down.
I hate that my (soon-to-be-ex) wife has turned into a psychotic maniac.
I hate that she won't do anything to help out with our dissolution.
I hate getting a dissolution.
I hate that it's quickly turning sour and heading for divorce-land.
I hate that she won't let me see the kids as much as I'd like.
I hate that she brings her new boyfriend around the kids for "sleepovers". What an insensitive **bad word for female anatomy**. It's only been two friggin months. If you need to get laid so bad, go get laid, but don't be doing it around the kids. That's just pathetic.
I hate that she seems to forget that the kids have feelings and are very hurt by this whole thing and that everything she does is geared just to p*** me off without any regard to how the kids see and feel things.
I hate that I'm becoming a bitter woman-hater.
Blah.
**rant over**
I been there, man. I hate that it happens so much. I hate that most states like to assume that the mother is the best place for the kids to be UNLESS you provide a mountain of evidence to the contrary and then STILL lets it go if the mother takes appropriate steps to correct a situation before the court date.
Hang tough and keep your emotions in check. It will get worse before it gets better, but it does get better (sort of).
FH (Woman-hater, reformed)
I hate that I cannot find my alternity gamemaster guide.
I hate that I broke my fin off my sweet Mana longboard.
I hate the humidity is so high it takes the resin a few days to dry.
I hate I can't find a more stable second job.
I hate that I feel I need a second job.
I hate my landlord has been fixing my house mates bathroom for over three months. Poor guy has to walk down stairs to piss and poop.
I hate that my landord has been promising to hook up cable for three months now.
I hate that an old girl friend still feels the need to tell me how to cut my hair. shut up already and leave me alone.
I live about an hour outside of Louisville, KY. The PD there seems to be pretty good-
That said, New Albany's PD sucks.
Hey small world Saern, I live on the Hoosier side of Louisville also. Clarksville born and raised.
**marriage-ending rant**
I hate that my once-peaceful life has turned upside down.
I hate that my (soon-to-be-ex) wife has turned into a psychotic maniac.
I hate that she won't do anything to help out with our dissolution.
I hate getting a dissolution.
I hate that it's quickly turning sour and heading for divorce-land.
I hate that she won't let me see the kids as much as I'd like.
I hate that she brings her new boyfriend around the kids for "sleepovers". What an insensitive **bad word for female anatomy**. It's only been two friggin months. If you need to get laid so bad, go get laid, but don't be doing it around the kids. That's just pathetic.
I hate that she seems to forget that the kids have feelings and are very hurt by this whole thing and that everything she does is geared just to p*** me off without any regard to how the kids see and feel things.
I hate that I'm becoming a bitter woman-hater.
Blah.
**rant over**
Only 18 and I know what you mean, as that is a completely accurate description of the woman I am genetically descended from. Yep, it pretty much sucks. One of my biggest comforts is that she put me up for adoption and I didn't get raised by that whack job, and that in just a little over two years, my brother will be a legal adult and can get out of that hole. I worry for my sister, though. She's only 10, and has quite a ways to go before she has much hope of a reprieve. I just hope she makes it out okay.
Hey small world Saern, I live on the Hoosier side of Louisville also. Clarksville born and raised.I live about an hour outside of Louisville, KY. The PD there seems to be pretty good-
That said, New Albany's PD sucks.
Oh, really? It is a small world. How has your experiences with the local PD been?
Re: Police Officers -
I've had bad interactions with them (usually caused by something I did, so I deserved them) and I've had some good ones. My nephew recently became a County Sheriff and is enjoying what he's been trying to become for nearly as long as I've known him. I'm proud of him and I'm proud of the guys out there taking those risks so that normal "Commoners" like myself don't have to. Thanks to all who wear the blue, black, green or whatever color (we have all three between the two towns and county I live in).
Re: Rant -
I hate that having to put my son into day care at 50% more than we were paying for day care with a family member has put my wife and I on the worst financial footing we've ever been in. Not counting our new home, we have around $75k of debt to service, which means we've got ZERO savings and ZERO wiggle room with our finances.
She's trying to get a degree so she can get the raise she so desperately deserves (and which we so desperately need) but that won't happen for at least another six months. I can't get another job because someone has to watch the boy while she's at school and my job makes me work the occasional weekend or evening at random, so my boss won't let me get a second job...
We're $150 short of paying our bills this month, we blew up at each other last night, our game on Saturday was ruined by emotions running just under the surface, and the world is pretty much a crap place to be at the moment.
All because of a little thing called money.
I hate it.
Syrinx
I hate the fact taht i dont know what Deliquise means ( dont go into deails i probably dont want to know and i hate that too)
Sorry, it's spelled "deliquesce" and it means "to melt away."
And that's exactly what happened. It's much, much more unpleasant than it sounds.
Not that I want to drum up business for my own profession, but if this is what's going on, you owe it to yourself and to your kids to see a lawyer. One with Family Law experience. At least for an "initial consultation." Go to your state bar website and see if they have a program to connect potential clients to attorneys with appropriate specialties. They MIGHT even have a program for massively reduced fees for this kind of situation (Missouri does or did, Wisconsin does not).I hate that it's quickly turning sour and heading for divorce-land.
I hate that she won't let me see the kids as much as I'd like.
I hate that she brings her new boyfriend around the kids for "sleepovers". What an insensitive **bad word for female anatomy**. It's only been two friggin months. If you need to get laid so bad, go get laid, but don't be doing it around the kids. That's just pathetic.
I hate that she seems to forget that the kids have feelings and are very hurt by this whole thing and that everything she does is geared just to p*** me off without any regard to how the kids see and feel things.
me too my brother, me too, my pain is the same though am hoping to avoid divorce and we are all going to counciling but my wife is mentally unbalanced; is very hard. No hate here though; i can't hate a person so sick and disturbed as my wife; is sad; am praying for her and that she is honest and her problems are identified and that she gets the help she needs.
I hate the fact that Sebastian's post got eaten. ~WEG~ I like reading his posts and the flack that come about because of Them! ~grins~ It keeps life interesting. Keep up the interesting posts, Sebastian.
Edit - And what happens? Sebastian's post appears! ~laughter~ It figures.
I hate the fact that these Planter's Peanuts are not salty enough! ~glares~ Now is everyone happy?
P.S. - What is Oots, Sebastian?
You will become one of us now.
All shall bow before the brilliance of Burlew!
I hate when OotS doesn't update for a week. What we need are robots to do the menial tasks that keep Rich Burlew from updating!
And then we could have new OotS daily!
No...hourly!!!
Hear, hear.
Though hourly updates might cut into my productivity at work. That kind of distraction is dangerous if you are your own boss.
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Though hourly updates might cut into my productivity at work. That kind of distraction is dangerous if you are your own boss.What are these strange things you refer to, "work" and "productivity"? You see, I work for the government....
Do you have one of those "Weird enough for Government work" bumper stickers?
Guy in my group has one (Homeland Security).
FH
Hear, hear! Huzzah for the little cogs in the Big Machine! Report to outpost 165JDB5.2 for reprogramming...
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Though hourly updates might cut into my productivity at work. That kind of distraction is dangerous if you are your own boss.What are these strange things you refer to, "work" and "productivity"? You see, I work for the government....Do you have one of those "Weird enough for Government work" bumper stickers?
Guy in my group has one (Homeland Security).
FH
No, I don't have one that says that. I'm an engineer, so the one I have in my cubicle says "Government Motto: If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is."
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I hate when I need to speak to my supervisor, and every time I go over to his desk he is either meeting with someone, or has vanished. I swear that the hellspawn has a few levels in ninja, or at the least about 30-40 ranks in hide. Seriously, sometimes he's like 3 feet in front of me, then he rounds a corner and "poof", he's gone! And it's been like this for every job I've ever had. If I weren't filled with so much loathing for those in the managerial level, I'd join their ranks just to gain this ability.