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Paizo Employee Director of Game Development

Yeah, I don't see this as a DeNiro and Pachino moment around a cup of coffee (from Heat) event. (in this instance, both being completely lawful - despite their real alignments - and stating the consequences of what each will do when they see each other after this meeting.)


Daigle wrote:
Yeah, I don't see this as a DeNiro and Pachino moment around a cup of coffee (from Heat) event. (in this instance, both being completely lawful - despite their real alignments - and stating the consequences of what each will do when they see each other after this meeting.)

Gotsta be one of my all-time favorite movie scenes. The movie is very inspirational for RPGs as well.


A short rant.

I hate it when players show up for a game and don't want to actually game. Just call and say you can't make it. You may have perfectly logical reasons to not want to game and that's acceptable. It's not like I've not had nights where I just wanted to call it off because of a bad mood in which I might kill the party or suffered from lack of sleep that turned the game into a one-room, "go home, I'm going to sleep" sort of thing. It happens.

I hate that my wife who is playing one of the more important members of the party, tends to fall asleep less than an hour after we've actually gotten started playing, telling me to "NPC me." - she then expects to have the same XP as everyone else at the next game session... She gets up earlier than I do, and we're playing on Fridays right now, so I can understand fatigue, but.... ARGH!!

I hate it when the group agrees to get together the next day to make up for a night of no-game, only to have one person decide simply not to show up. No call, no explanation, no nothing.

Do we game? No, because that person is rather important to the group...

We did, however, decide to start a d20 Modern game for when he's not around. Next time he shows up late and sees us all having a good time without him, he'll either want in on the game, or he'll decide he can show up whenever he wants - either of which is fine with us, since we're sort of tired of all gathering at one time only to have him show up when "another game" ends a couple of hours later...

RUDE!

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Sir Kaikillah wrote:


(Hunters and fishermen are the true conservationists in America in my opinion)

Amen! Whew! Don't even get me started here...Back in the day when I was fighting in Oregon to protect the right to hunt cougars with hounds, I was bewildered when our opposition tried to say that we were destroying the mountain lion population. I really do try to see the best in people, but sometimes their overwhelming MORON-ness makes it difficult!!(yes I just made that word up. whatever.) Check your facts, man!! Being a scientist(-in-training), I ABHOR it when people completely ignore the actual facts of a situation and make decisions based on what they want the facts to be...It was hunters that ASKED for cougar hunting regulations back in the 1960s in Oregon, because they saw the population dwindling. After that, the population rebounded quickly and was at a very healthy level in the mid-90's. Now that it's only legal to hunt them by trying to out-stealth the kings of stealth, they are far overpopulated and the deer and elk populations are plummeting....oh, yeah. And the state now PAYS people to use their hounds to hunt down so-called "rogue cougars". There's no such thing, btw. Just hungry ones. What a mess of nonsense.

Grr....Argh...*blowing off steam* ;-)


I no longer hunt, but I'm in total agreement there. I'm still in the National Rifle Association, but I switched my subscription from American Hunter to American Rifleman, since now I just punch paper with my firearms. I sold my hunting bow and crossbow ten years ago.


I'm a vegetarian, but I do respect the right to hunt, should one decide to pursue it according to state regulations. Hunting animals isn't for me, but not eating meat isn't for everyone, either.

What I hate is that stupid Hummer commercial where the guy buying tofu and vegetables and crap feels less masculine next to the guy with tons of meat in his cart so he buys a Hummer to compensate. WHAT. The same thing with jerks that mock anyone that doesn't eat meat as somehow being a "sissy".

Oh, god, what a big impressive man you are, walking that ten extra feet into the supermarket to buy a pre-felled carcass. Allow me to pour libation to you, Oh Warrior-God of the Supermarket Butcher Section Hunt! Someone talks that kind of guff to me, I usually ask if they take the liberty of hunting their own meat, slaughtering their own pig or cow, bleeding the animal, flaying the skin from the flesh and butchering it themselves. If not, that's no big deal. But it doesn't give anyone the right to be smug. When you fell your own caribou on the tundra with nothing but a survival knife, maybe I'll keep my mouth shut when you call me a "sissy".


I gave up hunting because I always ended up falling asleep under a tree with a book in my lap...decided to just go camping and hiking instead...just carry the hardware for protection now (mostly from two-legs).

....plus I felt awfully silly wearing realtree camouflage pants, jacket and an orange vest with a cap....


I hate sport hunting. Why on God's green earth would you just chase something down and kill it just to display it? I don't get it. The first rule I learned when hunting and fishing (beside "don't kill it unless you intend to eat it") with my grandparents was "You kill it, you clean it. If you can't get over cleaning it, don't bother hunting or fishing for it."

Vegetarians are fine by me. However, I am an unabashed meat-eater - I'll have my inch-thick porterhouse, and I'll let you have your tofurkey. I'll shake my head at your tofurkey, and you'll shake yours at my heart-attack-on-a-plate. :)

Paizo Employee Director of Game Development

The "You kill it - you eat it" rule taught to me as a young boy growing up out in the country was what led to my lowest culinary moment of eating a grackle.


I hunted whitetail deer in Arkansas and all the meat was eaten. My stepdad has a dedicated meat freezer and makes awesome deer bbq. He does display the nicer racks, but even he would never hunt something he couldn't eat (and that includes squirrel, which I never ate....yeck!)

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James Keegan wrote:


Allow me to pour libation to you, Oh Warrior-God of the Supermarket Butcher Section Hunt!

LOL! Thanks for the laugh. That was great. :-)


Great thread.

ok so here goes:

I hate players that don't take characters seriously. Heck the last party we started, I asked the players to present their characters to one another. I almost lost it when one of my players replied:"my characters name is Ellen, and im a woman................. thats it" AAAARRGGHHH!!!!

I hate monks, because they can't hit a barn door if they stood in it.

I hate players who devour all the snacks for a game in the first 5 minutes, and then sulk the rest of the evening.

I hate players who are spend the evening sleeping, if you don't want to be here, stay away.

I hate keeping track of a gazzilion feats and spells. Worse i hate players that won't take NO for an answer."No im sorry you can't take a Ebberon feat in our FR campaign, and no you can't multiclass into an artificer."

I hate players that cry when the highest stat they have is s 16. you know the type that goes: " I am stuck my 16,16,16,16,15,14 stats aren't good enough for what i wan't to do." SMACK!!

I hate players who can't find their attack modifier if they had a map and a compass, "lets see i roll a 6 and my damage bonus is ... uhm,.. uhm... 8, no wait thats my ranged weapon...."

I hate rules lawyers." On page 78 it reads that you clearly can't use fireball if its a thursday after 6..."

ok thats it for now

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TheDMFromPlanetX wrote:

Great thread.

ok so here goes:

I hate players that don't take characters seriously. Heck the last party we started, I asked the players to present their characters to one another. I almost lost it when one of my players replied:"my characters name is Ellen, and im a woman................. thats it" AAAARRGGHHH!!!!

Thaaaaat's funny. I think I've been there and done that myself, but...that's funny.

I've had the sleeper guy too. What was funny was when he'd wake up and decide to do something, then insist he wasn't asleep. "I get on the train."
Okay. I'm the dungeon master, and I don't know anything about any train. You watch the horses. Buh-bye.

Sczarni

i hate my boss, and by extension, my job.

despite the fact that everything is getting done to the best of my ability, she takes the fact that i am on the internet while at work as a sign that i am NOT working. sure, she sees the 1 screen i have on the top of the desktop, decides that that's NOT work-related, and calls the IT dept. to get our entire office's internet access terminated.

after she LEFT the office at 0900, only to return AFTER 1300. so, for 4 hours, she is not there, nor is there anyone ELSE who is getting paid 6 times as much as me to make decisions, handle discipline problems, and answer to testing sites and nursing floors just why their patients are not being transported in a timely manner.

(oh yeah, i dispatch for a hospital's patient transport/environmental services/linen services department)

so, with NO real information and only a snap decision, she takes away the ONE thing that keeps me sane at that lousy place.

it took a supreme amount of self-control NOT to quit right then and there, telling the entire hospital, via Email, just exactly what she has NOT been doing for the past 4 weeks.

arghhh!

i also hate that i now have to drive to work (since my old apartment was only 2 blocks away, but the constant sirens/flood lights/drug dealers and the occasional gunshots/police raids were not too conducive to a safe and happy living environment), and have to actually fill my car with gas more than 1/month!


Sebastian wrote:
Sir Kaikillah wrote:
But I am more libral on difining alignment. A LG Paladin could let a fugitive, who just help save his life, a pela, go this time. The fugitive saved his life, a life for a life, sounds like a fair trade. It seems to happen a lot in stories in movies. I would think that if said fugitive committed more crimes (especially heinous ones), the Paladin would have a moral dalema. He may need to go on a quest to pursue said fugitive relentlessly.
Yeah, are we talking a fugitive in the sense of Kevin Spacey in Se7en or a fugitive in the sense of the guy in Les Mes? (John Val John?) If the guy is a serial killer/torturer, that demands a sterner response than if he just stole some bread.

Not knowing the characters you sight I will respond as the Paladin Sir Kaikillah is.

As for a obviously evil criminal a serial killer/ torturer, thier should be know respite in bringing such a fugitive to justice. One should be wise not to enter into an agreement with such a villan, that would hinder ones duty in bringing such a heinous criminal to justice. If for some reason such a villan should save the life of a dedicated Paladin (and I see no such reason for such a coward to save an obviously dangerous enemy as a dedicated vigilant Paladin), then a Paladin should execute his duty when he is best able.

As for the bread thief, such a petty criminal can easily be forgiven for his crime. Such a person could be driven by hunger to steal the bread. A compassionate, gracious and pious paladin would pay the thief restitution for the bread as well as send his saviour with a reward to keep him from stealing again. Help finding employment could also lead to a loyal friend, in time. Yet a paladin is burdened with the awareness to recognize a black heart. Thier for a Paladin should be wary of such individuals, who would steal out of a willingness to prey on the labors of others.
- Sir Kaikillah Most Humble & Magnificant servant of all things Good and Righteous.


Lilith wrote:

I hate sport hunting. Why on God's green earth would you just chase something down and kill it just to display it? I don't get it. The first rule I learned when hunting and fishing (beside "don't kill it unless you intend to eat it") with my grandparents was "You kill it, you clean it. If you can't get over cleaning it, don't bother hunting or fishing for it."

Amen


psionichamster wrote:

i hate my boss, and by extension, my job.

despite the fact that everything is getting done to the best of my ability, she takes the fact that i am on the internet while at work as a sign that i am NOT working. sure, she sees the 1 screen i have on the top of the desktop, decides that that's NOT work-related, and calls the IT dept. to get our entire office's internet access terminated.

after she LEFT the office at 0900, only to return AFTER 1300. so, for 4 hours, she is not there, nor is there anyone ELSE who is getting paid 6 times as much as me to make decisions, handle discipline problems, and answer to testing sites and nursing floors just why their patients are not being transported in a timely manner.

*snip*

so, with NO real information and only a snap decision, she takes away the ONE thing that keeps me sane at that lousy place.

Amen. My boss is a penny-pincher on top of that. Not only does he make 2x(+) what I make, he gets a vehicle allowance (and yet, still claims gas mileage), a bonus twice a year in the thousands of dollars (my bonus for Christmas last year was a $50 gift card to Best buy) and goes on completely useless trips where he eats at the best restaurants DAILY and charges everything to the association. One of those useless trips, he took our office manager on, who took an entire day off to go "see the mountains." - On a trip *I* should have been sent on where I could have actually learned something.

Add in that he said when I got hired, I was making 30k "spread out over 52 weeks instead of 12 months, and when I got a raise for changing positions, I was now making 30k(!), and you've got someone who's playing the rules for all he's worth.

psionichamster wrote:

i also hate that i now have to drive to work (since my old apartment was only 2 blocks away, but the constant sirens/flood lights/drug dealers and the occasional gunshots/police raids were not too conducive to a safe and happy living environment), and have to actually fill my car with gas more than 1/month!

*grin* You suck. My new Mustang GT eats nearly a quarter tank of gas every DAY going to and from work (I work about 30 miles from home) when I run the air conditioner. And I live in Florida, where A/C is NOT an option.

=P


Elora wrote:
Sir Kaikillah wrote:
(Hunters and fishermen are the true conservationists in America in my opinion)

And they care every bit as much about true conservation as the logging industry does. Bravo!

Elora wrote:

(cougars) are far overpopulated and the deer and elk populations are plummeting...

How ever did the deer and elk populations survive before the 'true conservationists' were around to protect them? Thank you!

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The Chazter wrote:


Elora wrote:

(cougars) are far overpopulated and the deer and elk populations are plummeting...

How ever did the deer and elk populations survive before the 'true conservationists' were around to protect them? Thank you!

*humming* la-di-da-di-doh...Oh, what was that? Did I hear a self-applauding irrational piece of unpleasantness aimed in my direction? Ah, well. To each their own rant, I suppose. Not much point in attempting to use facts to enlighten those whose mind is set. *back to humming...* Beautiful day outside.


Yeah, it's much better that the cougars get shot by the police after they've mauled a jogger, toddler or family dog because they're so overpopulated in what's left of the wild than if their population was kept at a manageable level by reasonable hunting laws.

Yes, it's sad that the wildernis is disappearing and that human settlement forces wild creatures into desperate situations...but wishful thinking isn't going to make it any different.

It's also much better that the deer die of disease caused by overpopulation, get splattered by vehicles and tangled up in barbed wire trying to get to food than to be managed by hunting.

I gave up hunting because I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed the outdoors. I never really enjoyed the killing either as much as I enjoyed being with my family and friends and spending a day in the great outdoors (so now I play golf-slightly less dangerous, thankfully I'm still a better shooter than golf player, LOL)

How did the deer and cougar survive before modern hunting? More room to expand, didn't run into human settlements every few miles...nature ran its course. Nature can't run its course very easily any more so you have the clash of wild beast vs. human. Do I like stripmalls and suburban sprawl taking away room from the spotted owl? No, but you gotta be realistic about what battles you can fight and saying that hunters threaten wildlife because they shoot and hurt the poor fluffy cute forest creatures is decidedly shortsighted and a typical "go with the gut emotion" reaction and not thinking things through. I don't condemn the viewpoint, but if you want to spend your energy saving wildlife wisely, work on creating more nature preserves and "managed" areas where game can flourish (to a reasonable number). Picking on the evil redneck with a 30-06 is misguided, shortsighted and won't save any wildlife--just give you a moment of self-serving satisfaction.


James Keegan wrote:

I'm a vegetarian, but I do respect the right to hunt, should one decide to pursue it according to state regulations. Hunting animals isn't for me, but not eating meat isn't for everyone, either.

What I hate is that stupid Hummer commercial where the guy buying tofu and vegetables and crap feels less masculine next to the guy with tons of meat in his cart so he buys a Hummer to compensate. WHAT. The same thing with jerks that mock anyone that doesn't eat meat as somehow being a "sissy".

Oh, god, what a big impressive man you are, walking that ten extra feet into the supermarket to buy a pre-felled carcass. Allow me to pour libation to you, Oh Warrior-God of the Supermarket Butcher Section Hunt! Someone talks that kind of guff to me, I usually ask if they take the liberty of hunting their own meat, slaughtering their own pig or cow, bleeding the animal, flaying the skin from the flesh and butchering it themselves. If not, that's no big deal. But it doesn't give anyone the right to be smug. When you fell your own caribou on the tundra with nothing but a survival knife, maybe I'll keep my mouth shut when you call me a "sissy".

A-FREAKING-MEN. I hate, loathe, and detest with all of my being the institution of modern advertising. I do not hate advertising itself; I'm a perfectly fine with it. However, the current situation of advertising attempts to portray the world as nothing more than a shallow, materialistic Wal-Mart where people exist to buy products and "expressing one's self" is defined by the clothes one wears, and assumes that we are all stupid enough to actually have our buying habits altered in favor of the advertiser, rather than being repelled by their idiotic display. And, I wonder, how much money do they actually generate from their advertising, compared to the amount spent to produce it? I'm not saying get rid of it, but save yourself some money and the rest of us some annoyance by cleaning up your ads to be sensible in some way, shape, or form, instead of blowing millions on grating frill that nets you nothing, anyway! However, I consider it a more likely possibility that commercial-free channel alternatives are established before advertising gets smart again, and then I begin to wonder how much it would cost to make such a channel the norm?

Oh, ya, and the only way to make "nature" "happy" again would be to remove the human population and let a few thousand years undo what we've done... on bad days, this seems pretty tempting, but it's not likely. The most we can do is try to minimize further impact, protect what's left, and start the long, long process of healing what wounds we can.

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farewell2kings -- Allow me to applaud your excellent elucidation of some of the facts I referred to in my earlier post. *applaud*

Saern -- As soon as my best friend and I implement our plan to take control of the world, modern advertising will be one of the first five things to go. Really, it wears on the sanity. And I have so little left! :-) Concerning your statement about removing humans to make nature "happy" again, however, I must respectfully disagree. In fact, it surprises me that it is so common to view humans as "unnatural", and something that must be removed as an obstacle to "nature". We are, actually, an integral part of the world ecology (and evolved as part of it and/or were created to fit in it). If you think about it, does it not make sense to have a sentient species as the predominant predator in an ecological system? Only creatures that are aware and have a capacity for morality can show restraint and consciously try to balance the system when necessary. Of course, these creatures need to actually practice said restraint... Just a thought! (And I am sure there are other thoughts out there, possibly even better than mine :-).


Elora wrote:
We are, actually, an integral part of the world ecology (and evolved as part of it and/or were created to fit in it).

Absolutely. And the human population of Earth should be somewhere around 2-4 times the population of bears.

That should be about right for a mammal of our size.


Elora wrote:
... If you think about it, does it not make sense to have a sentient species as the predominant predator in an ecological system? Only creatures that are aware and have a capacity for morality can show restraint and consciously try to balance the system when necessary. Of course, ...

A good point to argue concerning the morality of eating meat.

predetors and scavengers are a part of the natural order of things. The top predetor on the planet should be the one with the ability to reason and show restraint in maintaining the balance of the ecosystem. Conservation (get it conservation, conserve, "conservative")is an old practice, the practice of exploitation, and profit over balance, is a "libral" concept of the nineteenth century capitalists.

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I hate that a cop got killed in my area and that on the news they want to focus on how the "alleged suspect" was bruised up a bit in the arrest. A family will never again see their father, mentor, friend, husband, etc. and all the news cares about is showing the slightly blackened eye of the animal who decided to steal someone's loved one. The "alleged suspect" should be dead. The media should be ashamed.
A man dedicates his life to trying to keep the encroaching darkness at bay and his murderer complains of being mishandled during his arrest! "Alleged" murderer I should say. I F*@%ing hate that our legal system will feel the need to give this animal his "due process" and address this suspect's complaints while a hero lies dead at his hands.
Public hangings, firing squads, etc. should be brought back.
Criminals aren't scared of being given meals and tv and a place to sleep and play cards, dice etc with like minded people. Take a hand from them. Maim them for their crimes. Barbaric? So what? Make people scared to do crimes.

FH

Scarab Sages

Sir Kaikillah wrote:
Elora wrote:
... If you think about it, does it not make sense to have a sentient species as the predominant predator in an ecological system? Only creatures that are aware and have a capacity for morality can show restraint and consciously try to balance the system when necessary. Of course, ...

A good point to argue concerning the morality of eating meat.

predetors and scavengers are a part of the natural order of things. The top predetor on the planet should be the one with the ability to reason and show restraint in maintaining the balance of the ecosystem. Conservation (get it conservation, conserve, "conservative")is an old practice, the practice of exploitation, and profit over balance, is a "libral" concept of the nineteenth century capitalists.

Earth First! ...We'll strip mine the other planets later.

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Evilturnip wrote:
Elora wrote:
We are, actually, an integral part of the world ecology (and evolved as part of it and/or were created to fit in it).

Absolutely. And the human population of Earth should be somewhere around 2-4 times the population of bears.

That should be about right for a mammal of our size.

We need a "smart bomb" that kills off all the dumb humans. Less crowded roads, less inane conversations, I like it. Just hope I make the cut;)

FH (how smart are we?)

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Fake Healer wrote:


We need a "smart bomb" that kills off all the dumb humans. Less crowded roads, less inane conversations, I like it. Just hope I make the cut;)

FH (how smart are we?)

Naaaah, too easy. This is a freebie FH.

Heathansson (the merciful)


Quotes from my favorite movie/book that have everything to do with recent conversations:

Re: Environmentalism

"For thousands of years, human beings had screwed up and trashed and crapped on this planet, and now history expected me to clean up after everyone. I have to wash out and flatten my soup cans. And account for every drop of used motor oil. And I have to foot the bill for nuclear waste and buried gasoline tanks and landfilled toxic sludge dumped a generation before I was born." ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 16

Re: Advertising

"All a gun does is focus an explosion in one direction. You have a class of young strong men and women, and they want to give their lives to something. Advertising has these people chasing cars and clothes they don't need. Generations have been working in jobs they hate, just so they can buy what they don't really need." ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 19

And the answer to all this (in an incredibly nihilistic manner which is what Fight Club is FULL of):

"I've met God across his long walnut desk with his diplomas hanging on the wall behind him, and God asks me, "Why?" Why did I cause so much pain? Didn't I realize that each of us is a sacred, unique snowflake of special unique specialness? Can't I see how we're all manifestations of love? I look at God behind his desk, taking notes on a pad, but God's got this all wrong. We are not special. We are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens. And God says, "No, that's not right." Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can't teach God anything." ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 30


Fake Healer wrote:

I hate that a cop got killed in my area and that on the news they want to focus on how the "alleged suspect" was bruised up a bit in the arrest. A family will never again see their father, mentor, friend, husband, etc. and all the news cares about is showing the slightly blackened eye of the animal who decided to steal someone's loved one. The "alleged suspect" should be dead. The media should be ashamed.

A man dedicates his life to trying to keep the encroaching darkness at bay and his murderer complains of being mishandled during his arrest! "Alleged" murderer I should say. I F*@%ing hate that our legal system will feel the need to give this animal his "due process" and address this suspect's complaints while a hero lies dead at his hands.
Public hangings, firing squads, etc. should be brought back.
Criminals aren't scared of being given meals and tv and a place to sleep and play cards, dice etc with like minded people. Take a hand from them. Maim them for their crimes. Barbaric? So what? Make people scared to do crimes.

FH

It's the "man bites dog" angle. I totally agree with your rant on the media, but the focus on the subject's rights is right and proper. Many cops, like me, are staunch defenders of the bill of rights and due process and I'm very uncomfortable with things like the "Patriot Act."

Think about it this way--be glad you live in one of the countries where the police actually try to "arrest" cop killers.....it's one of the ultimate factors of civilization and less than 10% of the world practices it.

Punishment should go back to the way it was back in the 1960's and 70's--if you went to prison you had to work in order to have "any" creature comforts. If you didn't do s$@*, you got 3 very basic meals and a cot. The Texas Dept. of Corrections (it's TXDOCJ now) was a self-supporting entity back then--they made enough money to pay for housing all the prisoners. Today they get billions of tax dollars to house the prisoners. Was making prisoners work cruel and unusual punishment? Heck no. It's not like they were breaking rocks--they cleaned roads, made license plates, made furniture, grew vast amounts of food on their own farms that they themselves ate....now that's my rant--making people work so they can eat and sleep with a roof over their head is not "cruel and unusual" punishment.


BLASPHEMER!!! Get a camera over here! (A microphone is shoved in F2K's face). Why do you support cop killers? Why do you hate America? How many babies do you eat every morning? Get this on the Early Show, ASAP!

Sorry, couldn't resist. I hate the media too. It always strikes me as amusing that our local news stations have a segment called "In Your World Tonight," but less than 30% of the stories have anything to do with events beyond the USA.

Elora, I was slightly joking about removing humans, and slightly referencing our general destructive tendencies towards our own ecosystem over the last few decades. However, you are correct, we should stand at the pinnacle of environmental balance, since we have the greatest ability to do so of any known life form. It's just that most people don't, and, to qualify this as a rant, a marketing/media culture that tries to convince us that "freedom" is the ability to buy Kholer or Moen kitchen appliances doesn't help a bit. However, there are people out there trying to do their best in life, in whatever form that may take, and to them I salute.

However, I also respectfully disagree on the implication that the only "sentient" being in the world is humanity. When I checked the dictionary last (and this was an older dictionary, so maybe the definition has changed), sentient meant capable of feeling emotions, which mammals, and arguably some other life forms, can do. I'm also personally of the belief that many, if not most, life forms are self-aware to some extent, as the thought that there was nothing with a consciousness, and suddenly there was man, seems overly self-indulgent of us and contrary to the entire theory of evolution. However, yes, we are the smartest being on the planet by an immense margin.

Please hurry up and take over the world, if you wouldn't mind.

On a more positive note (or is it?), I love Pulp Fiction. I saw it again last night, and I just love that movie.


Saern wrote:

However, yes, we are the smartest being on the planet by an immense margin.

I must respectfully disagree. I believe we are actually only the third smartest beings on the planet...the mice and the dolphins have us beat hands down.

--Respectfully,
Fang

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Fang wrote:
Saern wrote:

However, yes, we are the smartest being on the planet by an immense margin.

I must respectfully disagree. I believe we are actually only the third smartest beings on the planet...the mice and the dolphins have us beat hands down.

--Respectfully,
Fang

I agree with the dolphins thing but mice? Last time I checked I had 3 stuck in the same glue trap in my shed. The first 2 must not have been enough of a hint to the third that something was amiss.

FH

Liberty's Edge

Fake Healer wrote:
Fang wrote:
Saern wrote:

However, yes, we are the smartest being on the planet by an immense margin.

I must respectfully disagree. I believe we are actually only the third smartest beings on the planet...the mice and the dolphins have us beat hands down.

--Respectfully,
Fang

I agree with the dolphins thing but mice? Last time I checked I had 3 stuck in the same glue trap in my shed. The first 2 must not have been enough of a hint to the third that something was amiss.

FH

Maybe they were blind.


Fake Healer wrote:
Fang wrote:
Saern wrote:

However, yes, we are the smartest being on the planet by an immense margin.

I must respectfully disagree. I believe we are actually only the third smartest beings on the planet...the mice and the dolphins have us beat hands down.

--Respectfully,
Fang

I agree with the dolphins thing but mice? Last time I checked I had 3 stuck in the same glue trap in my shed. The first 2 must not have been enough of a hint to the third that something was amiss.

FH

Mice are cannibals--that's why those glue mouse traps work so well. "Hmmmm......lunch!"


Saern wrote:

BLASPHEMER!!! Get a camera over here! (A microphone is shoved in F2K's face). Why do you support cop killers? Why do you hate America? How many babies do you eat every morning? Get this on the Early Show, ASAP!

Sorry, couldn't resist. I hate the media too.

I don't hate all the media, just most of them. There are some decent local reporters in my town, but I still don't trust them. They're in the entertainment business...to get the news I go look for it myself on the internet and try to hit multiple sources--international, conservative, liberal, religious, etc.

Heck, I even read an occasional British tabloid just to see what's going on. When something critical is going on, I will take turns watching Fox and CNN, then listen to NPR and Deutsche Welle.


farewell2kings wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
Fang wrote:
Saern wrote:

However, yes, we are the smartest being on the planet by an immense margin.

I must respectfully disagree. I believe we are actually only the third smartest beings on the planet...the mice and the dolphins have us beat hands down.

--Respectfully,
Fang

I agree with the dolphins thing but mice? Last time I checked I had 3 stuck in the same glue trap in my shed. The first 2 must not have been enough of a hint to the third that something was amiss.

FH

Mice are cannibals--that's why those glue mouse traps work so well. "Hmmmm......lunch!"

That is what the mice want you to think. The earth is actually a giant computer/laboratory built by them, and they are even now, running scientists through all sorts of interesting experiments....

--yours in paranoia,
Fang

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Fang wrote:

That is what the mice want you to think. The earth is actually a giant computer/laboratory built by them, and they are even now, running scientists through all sorts of interesting experiments....

--yours in paranoia,
Fang

Too much Hitchhiker's Guide for you, sir.


Yes, yes...I was hoping to keep my sorry addiction a secret. Ah, well, the cat's out of the bag now. Perhaps it is time for me to hitch a ride on a Vogon ship and....
....nevermind.
--Fang

Liberty's Edge

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farewell2kings wrote:

I hate people who judge a whole culture based on the actions of a few idiots. Judging 300 million by the way that some of them play computer games and RPGs? Wow....as a counterpoint, I present my snap judgment categorization of about a billion people:

I love Americans because of Samuel Adams.
I love Germans because of Franziskaner Hefe Weizen.
I love Brits because of Old Peculier (and Bass Ale)
I love Scots because of Glenlivet.
I love the Irish because of Guiness Stout.
I love Aussies because of Foster's Bitter.
I love Canadians because of Labatt's Blue.
I love Belgians because of Trappist Ale.
I love the Dutch because of Heineken.
I love the Danish because of Carlsberg.
I love the Italians because of Peroni.
I love the Japanese because of Asahi Black.
I love Mexicans because of Bohemia. (with lime, Corona is for pad-wearing wimps from America ;)

*Burp*

Don't forget the Lebanese Almesa (or instead you could just have Haifa Wahbe)

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Fang wrote:

Yes, yes...I was hoping to keep my sorry addiction a secret. Ah, well, the cat's out of the bag now. Perhaps it is time for me to hitch a ride on a Vogon ship and....

....nevermind.
--Fang

Go to the corner and chew quietly on your towel.

Liberty's Edge

Fake Healer wrote:


I agree with the dolphins thing but mice? Last time I checked I had 3 stuck in the same glue trap in my shed.

FH

Dire rat mini's(?)

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Heathansson wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:


I agree with the dolphins thing but mice? Last time I checked I had 3 stuck in the same glue trap in my shed.

FH

Dire rat mini's(?)

No but maybe with the heat wave we had they just decided it wasn't worth living in the 110ish heat index weather for another day. Thank Kyuss, thats over.

FH


The Shining Fool wrote:
farewell2kings wrote:

I hate people who judge a whole culture based on the actions of a few idiots. Judging 300 million by the way that some of them play computer games and RPGs? Wow....as a counterpoint, I present my snap judgment categorization of about a billion people:

I love Americans because of Samuel Adams.
I love Germans because of Franziskaner Hefe Weizen.
I love Brits because of Old Peculier (and Bass Ale)
I love Scots because of Glenlivet.
I love the Irish because of Guiness Stout.
I love Aussies because of Foster's Bitter.
I love Canadians because of Labatt's Blue.
I love Belgians because of Trappist Ale.
I love the Dutch because of Heineken.
I love the Danish because of Carlsberg.
I love the Italians because of Peroni.
I love the Japanese because of Asahi Black.
I love Mexicans because of Bohemia. (with lime, Corona is for pad-wearing wimps from America ;)

*Burp*

Don't forget the Lebanese Almesa (or instead you could just have Haifa Wahbe)

Ooohhhh, never tried those...hmmm....sense a "quest" coming up. I love middle eastern food and am a regular at my local lebanese restaurant......

Liberty's Edge

Fake Healer wrote:


No but maybe with the heat wave we had they just decided it wasn't worth living in the 110ish heat index weather for another day. Thank Kyuss, thats over.

FH

Off to look for a giant glue strip to jump on.


Fake Healer wrote:


Go to the corner and chew quietly on your towel.

mmmfgh...mmfff...hey...mmffgh...a little ketchup...mggh(chew chew chew)...not so bad...


*crunch, clang clatter* ouch...*broken tooth falls to the floor* *Pause whilst rereading post*

oh...towel. you said towel.
*drops trowel, hunts for towel*

--yours munchingly,
Fang


Fake Healer wrote:


Public hangings, firing squads, etc. should be brought back.
Criminals aren't scared of being given meals and tv and a place to sleep and play cards, dice etc with like minded people. Take a hand from them. Maim them for their crimes. Barbaric? So what? Make people scared to do crimes.

I must agree and diagree.

On one hand, I think that if you try to shoot a cop, and in doing so you get killed, thats your fault. These people deal with dangerous people all the time, and you shoudl know this. Taking a chance like that means you shoudl expect the consequences, because it may be killed or be killed.

I am against the death peantly however. First of all, there is no single shred of evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent to crime. Most people willing to commit a crime that warrants such punishment really don't care enough to be threatened by it.

Second, we teach children that eye for an eye is always right. Its not, by the way; every case is diffrent, and we shoudl not blatantly offer to act in such a way. We should never say "you can't kill someone. Except for these reasons." No, we should never kill people.

Third, the state should never, ever, have the right to kill one of its citizens.

Foruth: A few years back, a DNA expert was revealed to have lied, and as a result, several people were execued. Guess what? We can't get them back. They are dead. No take backs.

Fifth: It actually takes more money to put someone on death row than to imprison them for life.

Finally, killing a human being fixes nothing. We gain nothing, they gain nothing, and no one is better off. I agree with the notion that we should have prisoners work or produce something helpful. Maybe have them work in prison shops, and the money made can support them or go to the victims. This is not cruel; this is practical and productive. Killing another family's child will not repair anything.

I believe that ultimately, anyone can be rehabilitated. Do they need to be released from jail? No. But they can better themselves or help others.

One important note: I am INFURIATED when anyone claims that prsion is an easy place to live because it has tv, cards, wheatever. B+#&#!@@. I challenge anyone who says that to spend 6 months in a jail cell, and try to say it is easy, or not bad. Jail sucks, alot, and anyone who thinks it is so wonderful has no idea what they are talking about.

Paizo Employee Director of Game Development

Amen Luke!!!

I'd challenge anyone to enjoy even 20-36hrs in county. And for gamers its even harder because you start looking at the bars and walls thinking of hardness and hp. Not to mention bluff and diplomacy.

The death penalty just reaffirms, in the mind of those that would kill another human being, that it is okay if it is justified in some manner. The human mind, chock-full of emotion, has trained itself to emotionally adapt to justifying its actions.

Now if you totally trust in and agree with your politicians *cough*, overseers *cough*, then yeah, string 'em up. Hell, put it on pay-per-view and make some bucks while teaching your maligned populace that killing is wrong.


Luke Fleeman wrote:


Second, we teach children that eye for an eye is always right. Its not, by the way; every case is diffrent, and we shoudl not blatantly offer to act in such a way. We should never say "you can't kill someone. Except for these reasons." No, we should never kill people.

Jesus taught to refute those old teachers who would preach an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life. but if a man should stike you offer him the other cheek.

Luke Fleeman wrote:


Third, the state should never, ever, have the right to kill one of its citizens.

I disagree, no citizen should have the right to kill another citizen. I think the state should reserve the right to take the life of a citizen who presents himself a clear and present danger to the citizens of that said state.

Luke Fleeman wrote:


Fifth: It actually takes more money to put someone on death row than to imprison them for life. .

The key to your statement is death row. Time on death row and money one attorneys and court time for appeals is what costs us, not executions

Luke Fleeman wrote:


Finally, killing a human being fixes nothing. We gain nothing, they gain nothing, and no one is better off.

I believe in evil and evil people and the world is better without some people in it (Jeffery Domer, chewcheskew of Romania are two examples of people the world are better with out.

Luke Fleeman wrote:


I agree with the notion that we should have prisoners work or produce something helpful. Maybe have them work in prison shops, and the money made can support them or go to the victims. This is not cruel; this is practical and productive. ...

Prisoners are productive, unfortunatly coorporations are making money, not criminal victims, off of cheap labor that always shows up for work. Luke yuou are not the only one who thinks prisoners can be productive. Hell they can even be profitable. With California putting people away for life with three felonies, we are well on our way to re-establishing slavery in this country.

I think it is way to easy to end up in jail in the U.S. I think we have to many prisons. It scares we that incarceration can be a profitable business offering coorporations cheap labor to boot. But people do evil things and develop evil practices and thier is no room in society for such evil people, kill them. Death is not abhorent but natural why are we scared to let people die.
I believe in euthanasia for the terminally ill wishing to die.
I believe in the death penalty for those who remain a threat and danger to the rest society when released to thier own judgement.

I have spent 1 year Susanville state Pen. I will never go back and no one on this message board wants spend one day there.

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