Ogre Hook weapon traits

"Ogres are known for using immense, curved picks called ogre hooks. These uncommon weapons cost 1 gp, deal 1d10 piercing damage, have 2 Bulk, and require two hands to use. Ogre hooks are in the pick weapon group. Ogre hooks have the deadly 1d10 and trip weapon traits."
- From Page 253 Bestiary

Do they also have "reach 10" like the star block of the ogre warrior?

Are they martial or advanced? AoN says advanced in one of their charts but it's not shown that way in any published material.

Are they common or uncommon?

Are they only for Large users (therefore suitable only for Giant Instinct barbarian)? Or are the above stats suitable for both Medium and Large users?

1. No the ogre has the reach not the weapon.
2. AoN likely has it right at advanced.
3. Would say uncommon like the chart says.
4. No clue on size of the weapon

EDIt: Looks like size doesn't effect weapon dice in this addition. Looking at frost giants they use striking greataxes which deal 2d12 same as a medium creature. So it looks like the stats would be for any ogre hook.

I'll chime in mostly to agree with Talonhawke.

1. Reach isn't listed in the weapon description, and ogres are large bipeds so most likely the reach is based on the ogre themselves. Notice that even the ogre glutton has a reach of 10' with their greataxe which is also not normally a reach weapon.

2. I am unwilling to take a stand on martial or advanced since it's not listed.

3. Yup, the sidebar says they are uncommon. Pretty much every ancestry specific weapon is.

4a. Changing size only changes the weight of the object, not any of the other stats. Since they are a two-handed weapon with 2 bulk, and almost every two-handed medium sized weapon in the core rulebook is also 2 bulk, I would be tempted to leave it as is.

4b. In regard to if they are only for large users, I would assume that the vast majority of ogre hooks are made by and for ogres, so they would be large. If a non-large creature wanted to use one however, I see no reason why the design couldn't be scaled down appropriately.

Addendum: While it isn't canon, a certain user called Pronate has reverse engineered a system for designing Pathfinder 2e weapons, which can be found here.

Based on their guide the ogre hook seems to line up more as an advanced weapon than a martial one. Again, that's not official, but Pronate's formula is reasonably accurate.

Main reason I'm asking is if I have an ogre drop this weapon and the giant instinct barb in the party wants to use it, would he need to invest in some feats if it's an advanced weapon?

Yes they would need to at the very least pick up the advanced prof. if you rule it an advanced weapon

Yes they would need to at the very least pick up the advanced prof. if you rule it an advanced weapon

I guess in the absence of a published ruling I'd just go with Nethys (they had to have gotten it from somewhere) and the pronate's calculations and call it advanced for now.

Talonhawke wrote:

Yes they would need to at the very least pick up the advanced prof. if you rule it an advanced weapon

I guess in the absence of a published ruling I'd just go with Nethys (they had to have gotten it from somewhere) and the pronate's calculations and call it advanced for now.

Nethys is the official online reference so no matter where they got it from it's official.

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as I see, it is the same weapon as Scythe....d10, 2 hands, trip, deadly d10

only difference is slashing vs piercing

So if you just let him use it, I think no power issues there...he could just get the scythe and have identical stats, so let him have it for fluff reasons

Regarding weapon size, abilities and effects add some fixed dmg for that for players(like barbarian's giant weapon or enlarge spell)

EDIT: advanced weapons should have an extra trait compared to martial weapons, or have a larger die. This weapon seems to have neither.