Can a wizard make arcane scrolls of divine spells?

Specifically, wizards with the Spell Sage

At 2nd level, the sage's understanding of the spells of bards, clerics, and druids is so great that he can use his own magic in an inefficient, roundabout way to duplicate those classes' spells. Once per day, a spell sage can spontaneously cast any spell on the bard, cleric, or druid spell list as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared. Casting the spell requires the spell sage to spend 1 full round per spell level of the desired spell (if the spell is on multiple spell lists indicated above, using the lowest level from among those lists) and requires expending two prepared spells of that spell level or higher; if the spell's casting time is normally 1 full round or longer, this is added to the spell sage's casting time. For example, if a spell sage wants to use spell study to cast cure light wounds (cleric spell level 1st), he must spend 2 full rounds casting and expend two prepared wizard spells of 1st level or higher.

So, could a wizard use this ability to fulfill the spellcasting requirements of creating a spell-trigger or spell completion magic item? And if so, would it count as arcane or divine?

And would the wizard need to make a UMD check to activate the item?

Creating Scrolls

The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires. A material component is consumed when she begins writing, but a focus is not. (A focus used in scribing a scroll can be reused.) The act of writing triggers the prepared spell, making it unavailable for casting until the character has rested and regained spells. (That is, that spell slot is expended from the caster's currently prepared spells, just as if it had been cast.)

Spell Sage

Once per day, a spell sage can spontaneously cast any spell on the bard, cleric, or druid spell list as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared.

Messy. I think the RAI is that he shouldn't be capable to craft the scroll. RAW? Questionable. Writing a scroll can trigger a class ability, so that it provide the needed spell? I think that by a strict reading of the RAW it work, but the wizard will have to make a UMD check to cast the scroll as the spell isn't in his spell list.

Link to the archetype page from the ACG.

So, does the "as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared" clause apply to using the spell to make a scroll or wand?

So, does the "as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared" clause apply to using the spell to make a scroll or wand?

Sorry, I realized my initial reply was wrong, so I deleted most of it and redo it.

RAW, I think, will allow him to make the items, but then using them will require a UMD check.

It should work since it becomes an arcane spell for the wizard but another wizard still could not use it since it is not normally on their spell list. A bard however may be able to depending on the spell in question.

It should work since it becomes an arcane spell for the wizard but another wizard still could not use it since it is not normally on their spell list. A bard however may be able to depending on the spell in question.

It become a spell on the wizard spell list only while using the ability. It should be enough to craft the item, but not enough to use it without an UMD afterward, as you can't use the archetype ability while using a wand.

I don't think he can make the scroll. He hasn't prepared the cleric spell, he casts it spontaneously. And he needs a prepared spell to make the scroll.

The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard)

Once per day, a spell sage can spontaneously cast any spell on the bard, cleric, or druid spell list as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared.

You cast it spontaneously "as if" it were a prepared spell, but it does not allow you to prepare the spell. So it would not allow scribing because you neither have the spell prepared nor know the spell.

wraithstrike wrote:

It should work since it becomes an arcane spell for the wizard but another wizard still could not use it since it is not normally on their spell list. A bard however may be able to depending on the spell in question.

It become a spell on the wizard spell list only while using the ability. It should be enough to craft the item, but not enough to use it without an UMD afterward, as you can't use the archetype ability while using a wand.

I posted later, after reading your explanation, saying that I misread the ability, but the forums ate my post. We agree. :)

All you need to create a magic item is to have the spell cast. The magic item rules + the FAQ point out that even if you use an SLA or have someone else cast the spell for you that it counts.

Diego Rossi wrote:

wraithstrike wrote:

It should work since it becomes an arcane spell for the wizard but another wizard still could not use it since it is not normally on their spell list. A bard however may be able to depending on the spell in question.

It become a spell on the wizard spell list only while using the ability. It should be enough to craft the item, but not enough to use it without an UMD afterward, as you can't use the archetype ability while using a wand.

I posted later, after reading your explanation, saying that I misread the ability, but the forums ate my post. We agree. :)

Yes, it is a tricky ability. I too had to re-read it to see what it say.

@RumpinRufus My opinion is that, as written, it work, as it say "as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared" and it is possible to trigger the archetype ability every day while enchanting the item (after all it is not different from how SLA work, they aren't prepared spells nor spell know for a spontaneous caster), but I suspect that that wasn't the archetype creator intention.

I would like an official reply. As a GM I would allow or disallow it depending on the party composition.

I'd definitely allow it for potions and to meet prerequisites for things like amulets of natural armor. Scrolls and wands are trickier, in that if you can make the item, should you be able to use the item you make? And if you can, can you use similar items others have made? That would open up spell sages to be able to use any spell completion item from the bard, cleric and druid list.

Now given that they are giving up their school to take the spell sage archetype, it might be that being able to use spell completion items from other classes makes it an equitable trade. As always talk to your GM.

Personally I doubt it would work: the Spell Sage can "spontaneously cast" those spells. But scribing scrolls does not require the spell being cast.

You definitely can write the scroll, but it's unclear if you can use it without UMD

You definitely can write the scroll, but it's unclear if you can use it without UMD

The spell is not on your class list so barring errata you should not be able to use it even if you created it. There is no rule that says you can use whatever scroll you create. It just so happens that normally you can use whatever scroll that you create.

You definitely can write the scroll, but it's unclear if you can use it without UMD

Why would you think you can write the scroll? Writing a scroll requires you to either have the spell prepared, or to know the spell. The Spell Sage neither has it prepared nor knows it.

RAW, the Spell Sage cannot write a scroll of a spell from another spell list.

Entryhazard wrote:

You definitely can write the scroll, but it's unclear if you can use it without UMD

Why would you think you can write the scroll? Writing a scroll requires you to either have the spell prepared, or to know the spell. The Spell Sage neither has it prepared nor knows it.

RAW, the Spell Sage cannot write a scroll of a spell from another spell list.

By RAW, you must be able to CAST the spell you're making the scroll of, regardless of the source. Indeed it has been ruled that you can use SLA to create magic items and you can even make someone else cast the required spell for you, so if you properly know the spell or not in the making of the scroll is irrilevant as long you have a mean to cast it.

By RAW, you must be able to CAST the spell you're making the scroll of, regardless of the source. Indeed it has been ruled that you can use SLA to create magic items and you can even make someone else cast the required spell for you, so if you properly know the spell or not in the making of the scroll is irrilevant as long you have a mean to cast it.

Where are you getting this "RAW"? The relevant text has been quoted multiple times, by myself and Diego Rossi. RAW says nothing about being able to cast the spell, it says you must have it prepared, or you must know it.

Unless you have the spell prepared, or you know the spell, by RAW you cannot scribe a scroll.

Entryhazard wrote:

By RAW, you must be able to CAST the spell you're making the scroll of, regardless of the source. Indeed it has been ruled that you can use SLA to create magic items and you can even make someone else cast the required spell for you, so if you properly know the spell or not in the making of the scroll is irrilevant as long you have a mean to cast it.

Where are you getting this "RAW"? The relevant text has been quoted multiple times, by myself and Diego Rossi. RAW says nothing about being able to cast the spell, it says you must have it prepared, or you must know it.

Unless you have the spell prepared, or you know the spell, by RAW you cannot scribe a scroll.

"Once per day, a spell sage can spontaneously cast any spell on the bard, cleric, or druid spell list as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared."

Sure seems to say he knows and prepares the spell.

"can spontaneously cast... as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared."

He can spontaneously cast it as if he had it prepared. At no point does he have the spell prepared. It is only for the purpose of casting the spell that he acts as if it were prepared, but it is clearly not a prepared spell.

"can spontaneously cast... as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared."

He can spontaneously cast it as if he had it prepared. At no point does he have the spell prepared. It is only for the purpose of casting the spell that he acts as if it were prepared, but it is clearly not a prepared spell.

The RAI is that the spell only need to be cast. It does not matter how. Otherwise a 2nd caster could not cast the spell for you.

"can spontaneously cast... as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared."

He can spontaneously cast it as if he had it prepared. At no point does he have the spell prepared. It is only for the purpose of casting the spell that he acts as if it were prepared, but it is clearly not a prepared spell.

So based on this, a sorcerer can never use Scribe Scroll, since he never prepares spells. I don't think that was how Scribe Scroll was meant to be intended.

RumpinRufus wrote:

"can spontaneously cast... as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared."

He can spontaneously cast it as if he had it prepared. At no point does he have the spell prepared. It is only for the purpose of casting the spell that he acts as if it were prepared, but it is clearly not a prepared spell.

So based on this, a sorcerer can never use Scribe Scroll, since he never prepares spells. I don't think that was how Scribe Scroll was meant to be intended.

In his defense he listed earlier how a sorcerer could make a spell, but he is still wrong about the OP's question. :)

I agree with RumpinRufus - it seems fairly clear that a spell sage cannot scribe a scroll with a bard, cleric or druid spell.

The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard)...

So there are two ways to fulfil this "must have" requirement:

• have prepared the spell
  
• know the spell (in the case of a sorcerer or bard).

Once per day, a spell sage can spontaneously cast any spell on the bard, cleric, or druid spell list as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared. Casting the spell requires the spell sage to spend 1 full round per spell level of the desired spell (if the spell is on multiple spell lists indicated above, using the lowest level from among those lists) and requires expending two prepared spells of that spell level or higher...

The spell sage can spontaneously cast the spell - by expending two unrelated prepared spells - but doesn't know the spell and hasn't ever prepared the spell.

Note that, in scribing a scroll, the creator doesn't actually cast the spell:

The act of writing triggers the prepared spell, making it unavailable for casting until the character has rested and regained spells. (That is, that spell slot is expended from the caster's currently prepared spells, just as if it had been cast.)

The RAI is that the spell only need to be cast. It does not matter how. Otherwise a 2nd caster could not cast the spell for you.

The reason that language is the way it is, is because that is normally how those classes use spells.

I have to admit, I find it quite amusing when random posters confidently assert RAI. Did you steal SKR's diary or something? "Today, I invented an archetype that will let the wizard scribe a scroll of any spell from any spell list. Lunch was pizza."

So based on this, a sorcerer can never use Scribe Scroll, since he never prepares spells. I don't think that was how Scribe Scroll was meant to be intended.

The sorcerer of course can scribe a scroll. To scribe the scroll, you must meet either one of two conditions: 1) you must know the spell (in the case of a spontaneous caster like a sorcerer,) or 2) you must have the spell prepared (in the case of a prepared caster like a wizard.)

Any normal caster either knows his spells, or prepares his spells. The Spell Sage neither knows the cleric spell, nor has it prepared.

Since when "B works like A" does not mean that works like A?

Since when "B works like A" does not mean that works like A?

It doesn't say "works like", it says "as if". The "as if" language appears all over the rules, allowing one effect to emulate another for certain purposes.

For example, the magus Spell Recall ability says "The spell is prepared again, just as if it had not been cast." Does this mean the original spell was ACTUALLY not cast, and whatever effect that spell had is retroactively nullified? No, of course not.

The language "as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared" in no way means he ACTUALLY has the spell prepared. He is treated as having the spell prepared for the specific purpose of casting it. Nothing in the ability allows him to prepare the spell for any other reason besides casting it.

Entryhazard wrote:

Since when "B works like A" does not mean that works like A?

It doesn't say "works like", it says "as if". The "as if" language appears all over the rules, allowing one effect to emulate another for certain purposes.

For example, the magus Spell Recall ability says "The spell is prepared again, just as if it had not been cast." Does this mean the original spell was ACTUALLY not cast, and whatever effect that spell had is retroactively nullified? No, of course not.

The language "as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared" in no way means he ACTUALLY has the spell prepared. He is treated as having the spell prepared for the specific purpose of casting it. Nothing in the ability allows him to prepare the spell for any other reason besides casting it.

Guess what you do when you create a magic object

Guess what you do when you create a magic object

Are you saying that you cast a spell when you create a magic object? Because if that's what you're saying, you're wrong. You're just wrong.

Sorry if I'm getting snippy, but it's frustrating when I'm quoting RAW, and you ignore it, assert that RAW is something completely different, and provide absolutely no evidence to back it up.

I challenge you to find a single quote from RAW that says creating a magic item involves casting a spell, or find any way that you can craft/scribe a magic item without either 1) having the spell prepared or 2) knowing the spell. If you can quote RAW, I will admit I am wrong. But if you continue to make stuff up...

Entryhazard wrote:

Guess what you do when you create a magic object

Are you saying that you cast a spell when you create a magic object? Because if that's what you're saying, you're wrong. You're just wrong.

Sorry if I'm getting snippy, but it's frustrating when I'm quoting RAW, and you ignore it, assert that RAW is something completely different, and provide absolutely no evidence to back it up.

I challenge you to find a single quote from RAW that says creating a magic item involves casting a spell, or find any way that you can craft/scribe a magic item without either 1) having the spell prepared or 2) knowing the spell. If you can quote RAW, I will admit I am wrong. But if you continue to make stuff up...

In the Magic Item Descriptions section, at "Requirements":

A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.

It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.

There you have a way. You can even ask your party cleric to provide the spell in order to make an arcane version of the scroll, that means the writer does not know nor prepares the spell.

Moreover, here, in the Creating Scroll section it says that expending the spell for making the scroll is like casting it:

The act of writing triggers the prepared spell, making it unavailable for casting until the character has rested and regained spells. (That is, that spell slot is expended from the caster's currently prepared spells, just as if it had been cast.)

Had this question on the forums a couple of weeks ago, this quote seems to satisfy me and my GM regarding the source of the spell when crafting wands, potions and scrolls.

From the Core Rulebook... wrote:

"It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary."

A wizard and a cleric cooperating to craft a scroll of cure light wounds are, between the two of them, meeting all of the prerequisites for the item's creation. Thus, the "you cannot create this if you don't meet all the prerequisites" rule on page 549 does not apply, because "you" in the case of cooperative crafting is "the people involved in crafting the item."

I do not have the original link, but that is the quote from Sean K Reynolds.

It does not matter where the spell is sourced from, it only matters that you have the spell and it is actually used when crafting the item.

Once it's crafted, it would follow the same rules as if you found the scroll on a bad guy.. if it's on your list, you can use it.. Otherwise it's UMD.

Ok Entryhazard, so do you now accept that the Spell Sage alone cannot scribe the cleric spell without help from the cleric?

I do not doubt that if someone who is helping craft the item either knows the spell or has it prepared, that that will work. The relevant point is that someone working on the item knows the spell or has it prepared. Even if this Spell Sage can cast a cleric spell, he cannot scribe a scroll of the same spell unless he is helped by someone who knows the spell or has it prepared.

And yes, the spell is discharged as if it had been cast, but the spell is never cast as part of the item creation process. Moreover, being able to cast the spell is not sufficient to be able to scribe it as a scroll.

Ok Entryhazard, so do you now accept that the Spell Sage alone cannot scribe the cleric spell without help from the cleric?

It was just an example with standard wizard that always works regardless of the archetype.

And yes, the spell is discharged as if it had been cast, but the spell is never cast as part of the item creation process.

It's just another case of 'as if'. The issue is that creating an item has a requirement that is a Round Hole, and the spell sage ability explicitly says that for all the purposes the spell he gains access to should be treated as a Round Peg, so it fits.

Moreover, being able to cast the spell is not sufficient to be able to scribe it as a scroll.

The item creations rules explicitly allow Magic Items that replicate spells and SLAs as means to satisfy prerequisites.

It's just another case of 'as if'. The issue is that creating an item has a requirement that is a Round Hole, and the spell sage ability explicitly says that for all the purposes the spell he gains access to should be treated as a Round Peg, so it fits.

Not for all purposes. Specifically for the purpose of casting the spell spontaneously.

Ok, so do you now accept that the Spell Sage alone cannot scribe the cleric spell without help from the cleric?

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I disagree.. As long as you have a source for the spell, you can craft with it.

Crafting and Spell Requirements: When crafting an item, can an arcane caster use a divine scroll to fulfill an item's divine spell requirement?]
Yes. (Likewise, a divine caster could use an arcane scroll to fulfill an item's arcane spell requirement.)
However, the character has to be able to activate the scroll somehow as part of the crafting process. This probably requires the arcane caster to succeed at a Use Magic Device check to activate the divine spell. If the caster fails to cast the divine spell from the scroll, he makes no progress on the item that day unless he has another source for that divine spell (such as another copy of the scroll).
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Item Creation Feats: Does having a caster level from a spell-like ability meet the caster level prerequisite for selecting an item creation feat?

Yes.
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Are you seeing a common thread here.. As long as you have a spell source you can craft with it...

Edited - Just realized I grabbed the wrong SLA relevant FAQ ... I'll find the correct one.

I do not doubt that if someone who is helping craft the item either knows the spell or has it prepared, that that will work. The relevant point is that someone working on the item knows the spell or has it prepared.

Then how do you prepare a scroll from a wand?

It's 100% legal for a wizard to get wand of cure light wounds and use a charge from that wand to create a scroll of that spell. ("Through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item.") It's even legal for her to use the last charge of one wand to create another, fully charged, wand (assuming she can craft wands in the first place.)

Found the Quote I was looking for, although I do not yet have the source link.

A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect.

Requirements: Certain requirements must be met in order for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells, and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and race or kind.
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.

Personally I think that resolved the discussion..

RumpinRufus wrote:

Entryhazard wrote:

Guess what you do when you create a magic object

Are you saying that you cast a spell when you create a magic object? Because if that's what you're saying, you're wrong. You're just wrong.

Sorry if I'm getting snippy, but it's frustrating when I'm quoting RAW, and you ignore it, assert that RAW is something completely different, and provide absolutely no evidence to back it up.

I challenge you to find a single quote from RAW that says creating a magic item involves casting a spell, or find any way that you can craft/scribe a magic item without either 1) having the spell prepared or 2) knowing the spell. If you can quote RAW, I will admit I am wrong. But if you continue to make stuff up...

In the Magic Item Descriptions section, at "Requirements":

Quote:

A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.

It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary.

There you have a way. You can even ask your party cleric to provide the spell in order to make an arcane version of the scroll, that means the writer does not know nor prepares the spell.

Moreover, here, in the Creating Scroll section it says that expending the spell for making the scroll is like casting it:

Quote:

The act of writing

...

If done in collaboration with a cleric and with the cleric being the one with the memorized spell it is a divine scroll, not an arcane one.

If done in collaboration with a cleric and with the cleric being the one with the memorized spell it is a divine scroll, not an arcane one.

Source? And how does this apply if done in collaboration with a wand?

Page 461 of the CoreRulebook states wrote:

Requirements: Certain requirements must be met in order for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells, and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and race or kind.
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.

Personally I think that resolved the discussion..

Ok, so I was wrong - there are 5 possible prerequisites, not just 2. And the Spell Sage meets none of the five possible prerequisites.

1) Does the Spell Sage have the spell prepared? No.
2) Does the Spell Sage know the spell? No.
3) Does the Spell Sage have a spell trigger item containing the spell? No.
4) Does the Spell Sage have a spell completion item containing the spell? No.
5) Does the Spell Sage have a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect? No. (Spell Study is a supernatural ability.)

You could argue RAI if you like, or say that in your own home game you would allow the Spell Sage to scribe a cleric scroll. But RAW says that the Spell Sage meets zero of the five possible prerequisites, and therefore can't scribe the scroll.

Clectabled wrote:

Page 461 of the CoreRulebook states wrote:

Requirements: Certain requirements must be met in order for a character to create a magic item. These include feats, spells, and miscellaneous requirements such as level, alignment, and race or kind.
A spell prerequisite may be provided by a character who has prepared the spell (or who knows the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard), or through the use of a spell completion or spell trigger magic item or a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect. For each day that passes in the creation process, the creator must expend one spell completion item or one charge from a spell trigger item if either of those objects is used to supply a prerequisite.

Personally I think that resolved the discussion..

Ok, so I was wrong - there are 5 possible prerequisites, not just 2. And the Spell Sage meets none of the five possible prerequisites.

So does an oracle. (Only bards and sorcerers are allowed to use spells known.)

Unless, of course, you believe that previous books need to be interpreted in light of new options created by rules that were not available at the time of writing the older books.

Do you allow oracles to craft in your games?

Well according to the text, to scribe a scroll u either need it prepared or know and u use up that spell slot but dont actually cast it, or u use a magical item that is either triggered or an sla. Im looking up what a spell completion is.

So with those 5 things, IS this ability one of them? If it is, then yes it can be used to scribe a scroll. If it isnt, then no they cannot. Seems pretty cut and dry.

Specifically, wizards with the Spell Sage

Spell Sage wrote:

At 2nd level, the sage's understanding of the spells of bards, clerics, and druids is so great that he can use his own magic in an inefficient, roundabout way to duplicate those classes' spells. Once per day, a spell sage can spontaneously cast any spell on the bard, cleric, or druid spell list as if it were a wizard spell he knew and had prepared. Casting the spell requires the spell sage to spend 1 full round per spell level of the desired spell (if the spell is on multiple spell lists indicated above, using the lowest level from among those lists) and requires expending two prepared spells of that spell level or higher; if the spell's casting time is normally 1 full round or longer, this is added to the spell sage's casting time. For example, if a spell sage wants to use spell study to cast cure light wounds (cleric spell level 1st), he must spend 2 full rounds casting and expend two prepared wizard spells of 1st level or higher.

So, could a wizard use this ability to fulfill the spellcasting requirements of creating a spell-trigger or spell completion magic item? And if so, would it count as arcane or divine?

And would the wizard need to make a UMD check to activate the item?

I'm going to say no. The wizard can only spontenousply cast at the moment, not prepare the spells. The wizard can not make nor use scrolls of any spell he can't prepare because of class, or level.

Clectabled wrote:

Page 461 of the CoreRulebook states wrote:

5) Does the Spell Sage have a spell-like ability that produces the desired spell effect? No. (Spell Study is a supernatural ability.)

Spell Study itself may be a supernatural ability, but the spell that is cast is not a supernatural ability, it is in fact a spell. The supernatural ability lets you cast the spell.

RAW can often be poor support for new abilities that didn't exist.

RAI pretty clearly indicates in the magic item creation rules:

1) Is there SOME form of access to the spell(s), at least once a day, during the creation process?
2) Does someone have the appropriate Feat(s) to create the item?

If both are yes, then you're golden.
Sure, he can make the scroll, but UMD is absolutely needed to USE the scroll.

Diego Rossi wrote:

If done in collaboration with a cleric and with the cleric being the one with the memorized spell it is a divine scroll, not an arcane one.

Source? And how does this apply if done in collaboration with a wand?

Try finding a source saying that the spell change from being divine to arcane. The spell used in creating the scroll is divine so the scroll is divine.

The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard) and must provide any material component or focus the spell requires. A material component is consumed when she begins writing, but a focus is not. (A focus used in scribing a scroll can be reused.) The act of writing triggers the prepared spell, making it unavailable for casting until the character has rested and regained spells. (That is, that spell slot is expended from the caster's currently prepared spells, just as if it had been cast.)

You put the spell that you have prepared/know on the scroll, not a different spell.

Orfamay Quest wrote:

Diego Rossi wrote:

If done in collaboration with a cleric and with the cleric being the one with the memorized spell it is a divine scroll, not an arcane one.

Source? And how does this apply if done in collaboration with a wand?

Try finding a source saying that the spell change from being divine to arcane.

Well, the spell is arcane if cast by a bard or a witch. And it'd not clear whether the wizard's "arcaneness" as the crafter trumps the cleric's as the spell source. So again I ask for a source.

Furthermore, a wand has no arcane/divine distinction. So if I used UMD to make a scroll of cure light wounds from a wand, would it become an arcane scroll of CLW? How about if the wand were of restoration instead?

You can't arbitrary change a divine spell to a arcane spell. If the initial spell is divine it stay divine.

You are asking me to prove that you can't change a Divine spell to a Arcane one, when you should prove that you can change that. Arcane stay arcane and divine divine unless there is a rule that say that you can change that.

Similarly you can't change the level of a spell. Even if you are a wizard with the spell heroism you can't make a scroll with the bard version of the spell unless you have a bard with the bardic version of heroism as one of his spell know helping you.

What spell is memorized/know when making the scroll? Cleric version fo restoration. What is put on the scroll? cleric version of restoration.
The prerequisite to make a cleric/oracle scroll of restoration? It is a cleric with restoration memorized or a oracle with restoration as a spell know.
What is the prerequisite for a wizard version of restoration? A wizard with restoration memorized or a sorcerer with restoration as a spell know. Until you can find one you can't put a wizard version of restoration in a scroll.

The scroll has a prerequisite and you must meet the prerequisite.

Furthermore, a wand has no arcane/divine distinction. So if I used UMD to make a scroll of cure light wounds from a wand, would it become an arcane scroll of CLW? How about if the wand were of restoration instead?

As CLW has a arcane version a wizard could make a bard scroll of CLW with a wand.

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Furthermore, a wand has no arcane/divine distinction. So if I used UMD to make a scroll of cure light wounds from a wand, would it become an arcane scroll of CLW? How about if the wand were of restoration instead?

As CLW has a arcane version a wizard could make a bard scroll of CLW with a wand.

A wizard could also make a scroll of sacred space with a wand. (He'd need to make a UMD check to do it, but that's no problem.)

Having an arcane version is not necessary, by RAW.

Would this be an arcane scroll, or a divine scroll?

You can't arbitrary change a divine spell to a arcane spell. If the initial spell is divine it stay divine.

Source?

You are asking me to prove that you can't change a Divine spell to a Arcane one

That's right. That's because a wizard can make a scroll from any wand, and wand spells aren't divine spells.

Similarly you can't change the level of a spell.

Source?

Even if you are a wizard with the spell heroism you can't make a scroll with the bard version of the spell unless you have a bard with the bardic version of heroism as one of his spell know helping you.

How about if I have a wand of the spell at a lower level than the sor/wiz level?

What spell is memorized/know when making the scroll? Cleric version fo restoration. What is put on the scroll? cleric version of restoration.
The prerequisite to make a cleric/oracle scroll of restoration? It is a cleric with restoration memorized or a oracle with restoration as a spell know.

Or a scroll or a wand.

The scroll has a prerequisite and you must meet the prerequisite.

And a wand fulfils the perquisite.