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So all PCs have to be some sort of wizard? Or how will the AP handle non magical PCs?
I think I remember in the announcement stream something about martial classes getting some free magic to fit in. They stressed that you could still play martial classes and it would work with the story.
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I've been wishing for something like this since I first got into Pathfinder a year and a half ago or so! There is a ton of cool, untapped stuff in Mwangi in general, but the Magaambya is a gem of a setting and seems to be brimming with unique and interesting things for players to experience!
Pretty hopeful for this one. Especially coming off the back of the Mwangi Lost Omens book and Secrets of Magic!
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Yep, they’ve said there’ll be ways to get non-spellcasting classes involved!
I don’t know how this fact interacts with the details of the AP at all, but also keep in mind that canonically the Magaambya accepts people without magical aptitude, as mentioned in Lost Omens Character Guide.
So to use Harry Potter references while the spellcasters eventually become teachers the martial characters can play the janitor?
CorvusMask |
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Andrew Mullen wrote:So to use Harry Potter references while the spellcasters eventually become teachers the martial characters can play the janitor?Yep, they’ve said there’ll be ways to get non-spellcasting classes involved!
I don’t know how this fact interacts with the details of the AP at all, but also keep in mind that canonically the Magaambya accepts people without magical aptitude, as mentioned in Lost Omens Character Guide.
Jatembe's apprentices were called "Ten Magic Warriors", so presumably eldritch knight shenanigans are considered valid style in the academy
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Andrew Mullen wrote:So to use Harry Potter references while the spellcasters eventually become teachers the martial characters can play the janitor?Yep, they’ve said there’ll be ways to get non-spellcasting classes involved!
I don’t know how this fact interacts with the details of the AP at all, but also keep in mind that canonically the Magaambya accepts people without magical aptitude, as mentioned in Lost Omens Character Guide.
Or Hagrid, keeper of magical beasts, which sounds more fun.
Given the schools focus on preserving local culture, fostering good governance in the area, otherworldly threats, etc. there seems like there'd be room for storytellers and diplomats and historians and naturalists and planar travelers and the like, both magical and mundane. Although spellcasting classes like Rangers, Bards, Investigators, Juju Oracles, Clerics of popular local Empyreals, Druids, Shamen, Magi, etc. would seem likely to be as popular as Wizards, for their relevant expertise.
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Seems like 2021 won't be my year because that will be the third AP in a row I'm not that interested in. Though maybe I can turn this into an Acadamae-based AP, which would increase my interest a lot.
Aside from some basic rules structure of a school as an organization I don't think there's going to be much that you'll be able to do with this to that end. My understanding from the announcement stream is that this will be a very heavily Magaambya and Mwangi Expanse focused AP.
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Aside from some basic rules structure of a school as an organization I don't think there's going to be much that you'll be able to do with this to that end. My understanding from the announcement stream is that this will be a very heavily Magaambya and Mwangi Expanse focused AP.
Sure. Pathfinder APs are generally steeped in setting lore, and I wouldn't have it otherwise. But then I'm used to do heavy rewrites of APs to make them fit other settings, and if I can do that with the Realms or Eberron in mind, I'll probably be able to do this within Golarion as well.
Anyways, I'll still enjoy just reading it, and if I find I don't want to run it, I'm sure that I still can steal tons of material to use in another context. So it's all good, I was just surprised that after those two three-parters that I have no use for for different reasons, the next AP is also one I'm not immediately "Huzzah!" about.
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I am so unbelievably pumped for this! I've actually got a game going Wed night where the PC's are Pathfinders traveling to Magaambya to learn/steal knowledge and (hopefully) build up the relationship between the Society and Academy.
Last session they had to help the Academy by going to the observatory where a ratfolk sorcerer-in-training had accidentally opened up a portal to the Plane of Water, flooding the entire complex and triggering the automatic Animated Brooms to deploy around the observatory to clean up. It wasn't until I started playing the song that they got the reference lol.
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"The oldest and most prestigious magic academy in the world is the Magaambya, an ancient institution founded by the greatest wizard the world has ever known."
Xanderghul, Sorshen, Tar-Baphon, Nex, Geb, Arazni, and Aroden's eyes all collectively twitched a bit when they heard this. Jatembe is certainly high-ranking, but methinks there's some pro-Magaambya bias partisanship behind this statement.
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"The oldest and most prestigious magic academy in the world is the Magaambya, an ancient institution founded by the greatest wizard the world has ever known."
Xanderghul, Sorshen, Tar-Baphon, Nex, Geb, Arazni, and Aroden's eyes all collectively twitched a bit when they heard this. Jatembe is certainly high-ranking, but methinks there's some pro-Magaambya bias partisanship behind this statement.
Wasn't it in Legends where they are talking about Baba Yaga, how she thinks Tar-Baphon is a fool and doesn't really rate Sorshen... but about Jatembe, she says absolutely nothing it all?
That to me says that good ol Old-Mage has/had some serious, serious chops.
CorvusMask |
Also didn't Aroden kind of accomplish lot of things through various artifacts he found rather than research per say? Aka traditional adventuring wizard lifestyle xD
(Also, with all pre earthfall wizards, you can't literally say they discovered arcane magic on their own since all of them(and their various styles) were built on top of previous research(and in case of Azlanti, handed over by aboleths at its core)
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So, I'm relatively new to Pathfinder, having only picked it up in the last couple of years and voraciously absorbed as much lore as I can in the meantime, but I feel like there's a pretty solid difference between Jatembe and all the other wizards mentioned a bit further up:
All those other wizards have gotten their butts kicked. Sorshen and Xanderghul both lost to adventuring parties as part of AP's, the various ways that Arazni has come out the worse of certain fights is well-recorded, Tar-Baphon got blasted into lichdom by Aroden, and Aroden himself got murdered fairly recently. Nex fled Quantium when Geb flooded it with deadly fog, and while it seems like Geb is still going strong after Arazni stopped running his kingdom for him, he's a ghost now, so not exactly a full-on wizard.
Jatembe showed up, pulled the art of wizardry itself out of the wreckage of the Azlanti culture, set up a school to generate heroes and wardens of the world that has lasted all the way up unto the present day, did a bunch of cool folk hero stuff, and peaced out. I have no qualms whatsoever with agreeing that Jatembe is the greatest wizard to ever live.
Ed Reppert |
he's a ghost now, so not exactly a full-on wizard.
I'm not sure that's a valid construction. Why can't a ghost be a "full-on" wizard? What does "full-on" mean in this context?
obfuscatingDeity |
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obfuscatingDeity wrote:he's a ghost now, so not exactly a full-on wizard.I'm not sure that's a valid construction. Why can't a ghost be a "full-on" wizard? What does "full-on" mean in this context?
Yeah, I'll admit that that's my shakiest point, because I couldn't really think of anything else to say about Geb. I suppose being a ghost doesn't invalidate him from being a full-on wizard.
I suppose if I had to point to one thing that put Jatembe over Geb, it was that Jatembe did it first. If I read the dates correctly, Jatembe figured out wizardry more or less by himself in the Age of Anguish(-3502 AR) through various communiques with powerful outsiders, including(potentially) the skull of a near-dead god, which already marks him as having done some dope stuff before he even became the father of modern wizardry.
Geb, on the other hand, doesn't come into the historical picture until -929 AR, over 2,500 years after Old-Mage Jatembe pioneered wizardry from the ruins of Azlant. Geb came from 2,000+ years of Osirioni magecraft tradition, at least some of which was probably filtered east from the Magaambyan's influence. Jatembe didn't have any of that, and managed to create the oldest living magic school on Golarion.
IMO, Jatembe takes the crown easy.
Ed Reppert |
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Yep, they’ve said there’ll be ways to get non-spellcasting classes involved!
I don’t know how this fact interacts with the details of the AP at all, but also keep in mind that canonically the Magaambya accepts people without magical aptitude, as mentioned in Lost Omens Character Guide.
Somebody's got to wash the dishes and empty the chamber pots. :-)
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CrazyDave wrote:I think it’s been said that this AP uses Free Archetype, though I could be wrong on that.I plan on using the Dual-Class/Free Archetype variants for this one.
Shades of the old Fighter/Magic-User/Cleric combo!
Yes, I remember something like that, as well.
Dual-class would be great, though. Having everyone as a spellcaster + whatever makes sense in a magic school.
TRDG |
So this would be a July 28th street date release as far as we know at this time correct? Loved the Panels on this gang last weekend, going to be a blast!! Then just waiting for Secrets to street date drop Aug 25th then its time to go "Back to School" and hit those magic books :) Hope those final exams are not to life threatening...... LOL
Tom
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So this would be a July 28th street date release as far as we know at this time correct? Loved the Panels on this gang last weekend, going to be a blast!! Then just waiting for Secrets to street date drop Aug 25th then its time to go "Back to School" and hit those magic books :) Hope those final exams are not to life threatening...... LOL
Tom
Those the the release dates as I understand them too. :)
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My personnal guess is that you'll get a free "spellcasting archetype", no matter your base class, so that non-magical classes get some, and magical ones get more.
At the PaizoCon panels, they apparently said that you get your choice of Druid Dedication or Wizard Dedication. If you are a druid or a wizard, you automatically get the other archetype.
xNellynelx |
Elfteiroh wrote:My personnal guess is that you'll get a free "spellcasting archetype", no matter your base class, so that non-magical classes get some, and magical ones get more.At the PaizoCon panels, they apparently said that you get your choice of Druid Dedication or Wizard Dedication. If you are a druid or a wizard, you automatically get the other archetype.
Do you know which panel this was? I missed it and need to go watch it now haha
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David knott 242 wrote:Do you know which panel this was? I missed it and need to go watch it now hahaElfteiroh wrote:My personnal guess is that you'll get a free "spellcasting archetype", no matter your base class, so that non-magical classes get some, and magical ones get more.At the PaizoCon panels, they apparently said that you get your choice of Druid Dedication or Wizard Dedication. If you are a druid or a wizard, you automatically get the other archetype.
I heard it too. I think it was the mwangi panel, but not sure.
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xNellynelx wrote:I heard it too. I think it was the mwangi panel, but not sure.David knott 242 wrote:Do you know which panel this was? I missed it and need to go watch it now hahaElfteiroh wrote:My personnal guess is that you'll get a free "spellcasting archetype", no matter your base class, so that non-magical classes get some, and magical ones get more.At the PaizoCon panels, they apparently said that you get your choice of Druid Dedication or Wizard Dedication. If you are a druid or a wizard, you automatically get the other archetype.
It was.
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I plan to run this adventure path! Anyone else looking to open up the free archetype choices? I want a wizard who joins to not necessarily have to take on druidism, and vice versa.
I think my rule will be something along the lines of having to have some amount of prepared casting by level 2. Thoughts?
Evan Tarlton |
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I plan to run this adventure path! Anyone else looking to open up the free archetype choices? I want a wizard who joins to not necessarily have to take on druidism, and vice versa.
I think my rule will be something along the lines of having to have some amount of prepared casting by level 2. Thoughts?
At the moment, I would also allow the Magaambyan Attendant archetype. Though I can understand the possible plot reasons why they aren't doing it (it's supposed to be for full members, and these are literally students), it doesn't make sense to lock someone in to something they may not want.
Ezekieru |
I plan to run this adventure path! Anyone else looking to open up the free archetype choices? I want a wizard who joins to not necessarily have to take on druidism, and vice versa.
I think my rule will be something along the lines of having to have some amount of prepared casting by level 2. Thoughts?
I'd probably allow Sorcerer and Witch MCs too, so long as they were Primal or Arcane. Seems like the occult/divine side of the casting classes aren't emphasized nearly as well as the arcane/primal side.